The Shang Han Lun and Homotoxicology

September 25, 2005

All,

As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV vitamin

C, I'd like to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

brilliant medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which means

the study of that which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he discovered

was that the disease process works through six stages, which is the six stages

the immune system goes through in its efforts to ward off illness. These stages

rather roughly but essentially correspond to the six stages found in the Shang

Han Lun.

The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang stage.

At this stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by

sweating, coughing, vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't

suffice, then the next stage is inflammation, I presume corresponding to

Yangming. If this is not successful at ending the illness, then the immune

system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening places in the body until it

can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say in the connective tissue

(in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say, to Shaoyang. This is called

the deposition stage. These three stages are considered to be the side of the

homotoxicology chart reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get

rid of illness, a pro-active immune system--the yang stages.

If these stages are not victorious, then the illness proceeds to become

chronic--the yin stages. This is the side of the homotoxicology chart reflecting

a bodymind whose immune system is no longer fighting to win but to lose as

slowly as possible, to compensate for what it cannot get rid of. The fourth

stage is called the impregnation stage, because the body, having given up on

ridding itself of the deposited toxins, now proceeds to seal up or entomb the

toxins to prevent systemic poisoning. At this stage the spleen qi is exhausted.

This is the stage of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis and

such. Eventually the toxins rot through the seals, and the surrounding

tissues--and the system itself--begin to degenerate, so this is the degenerative

or shaoyin stage. Many die at this stage. In the final or jueyin stage, the

regeneration process in the cells goes haywire, and young cells in the most

toxic tissues stop differentiating into their various types and become

cancerous, so it is called the dedifferentiation stage.

To me, the word homotoxicology is an egregious-sounding one, but it is the name

of one of the most profound insights in medical history, and it has remarkable

links to one of the other most profound insights in medical history--the Shang

Han Lun. I believe the future of Chinese herbal medicine will become inexorably

entwined with that of homotoxicology. Miki Shima teaches courses through Heel on

Shang Han Lun/homotoxicology, which he has been studying and practicing for 25

years. I've only dipped my toes in that pool so far, but I found the water just

fine. Perhaps we will become able to employ homeopathic Chinese herbal formulas

one of these days. I'd love to give that a try. Any thoughts?

Joseph Garner, LAc

September 25, 2005

This is a fascinating theory... is the Shan Han Lun idea Dr. Reckeweg's insight

or yours?

doug

, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> All,

> As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV vitamin

C, I'd like

to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

>

> Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

brilliant

medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which means the study

of that

which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he discovered was that the

disease

process works through six stages, which is the six stages the immune system goes

through in its efforts to ward off illness. These stages rather roughly but

essentially

correspond to the six stages found in the Shang Han Lun.

>

> The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang stage.

At this

stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by sweating,

coughing,

vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't suffice, then the next

stage is

inflammation, I presume corresponding to Yangming. If this is not successful at

ending

the illness, then the immune system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening

places

in the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say in

the connective

tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say, to Shaoyang. This is

called the

deposition stage. These three stages are considered to be the side of the

homotoxicology

chart reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get rid of

illness, a pro-active

immune system--the yang stages.

>

September 25, 2005

Doug,

I don't know enough about Dr. Reckeweg yet to know if he ever heard of the Shang

Han Lun or not. I only began studying homotoxicology in the past three months.

When I first saw the six-stage layout and how it works, I immediately thought of

the Shang Han Lun and saw the correspondences. Soon after that I found that Miki

Shima has been working at integrating these two concepts for decades. So much

for my Nobel. But the ideas presented in my email are my own, based on my recent

studies of homotoxicology, with just a smattering of input on the fourth stage

from Miki Shima. I'm new at this, so any errors are my own. I do know that the

Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology paradigms inform and enhance one another to a

wonderful degree of satisfaction on my part.

Joseph

wrote:

This is a fascinating theory... is the Shan Han Lun idea Dr. Reckeweg's insight

or yours?

doug

, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> All,

> As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV vitamin

C, I'd like

to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

>

> Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

brilliant

medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which means the study

of that

which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he discovered was that the

disease

process works through six stages, which is the six stages the immune system goes

through in its efforts to ward off illness. These stages rather roughly but

essentially

correspond to the six stages found in the Shang Han Lun.

>

> The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang stage.

At this

stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by sweating,

coughing,

vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't suffice, then the next

stage is

inflammation, I presume corresponding to Yangming. If this is not successful at

ending

the illness, then the immune system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening

places

in the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say in

the connective

tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say, to Shaoyang. This is

called the

deposition stage. These three stages are considered to be the side of the

homotoxicology

chart reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get rid of

illness, a pro-active

immune system--the yang stages.

>

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

September 25, 2005

Doug

If I wanted to read or study more about homotoxicolgy where would I start?

Heiko Lade

M.H.Sc.(TCM)

Lecturer and clinic supervisor

Auckland College of Natural Medicine

Website: www.acnm.co.nz

-

Joseph Garner

Monday, September 26, 2005 8:05 AM

Re: Re: The Shang Han Lun and Homotoxicology

Doug,

I don't know enough about Dr. Reckeweg yet to know if he ever heard of the

Shang Han Lun or not. I only began studying homotoxicology in the past three

months. When I first saw the six-stage layout and how it works, I immediately

thought of the Shang Han Lun and saw the correspondences. Soon after that I

found that Miki Shima has been working at integrating these two concepts for

decades. So much for my Nobel. But the ideas presented in my email are my own,

based on my recent studies of homotoxicology, with just a smattering of input on

the fourth stage from Miki Shima. I'm new at this, so any errors are my own. I

do know that the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology paradigms inform and enhance

one another to a wonderful degree of satisfaction on my part.

Joseph

wrote:

This is a fascinating theory... is the Shan Han Lun idea Dr. Reckeweg's

insight or yours?

doug

, Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1>

wrote:

> All,

> As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV

vitamin C, I'd like

to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

>

> Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

brilliant

medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which means the

study of that

which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he discovered was that the

disease

process works through six stages, which is the six stages the immune system

goes

through in its efforts to ward off illness. These stages rather roughly but

essentially

correspond to the six stages found in the Shang Han Lun.

>

> The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang

stage. At this

stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by sweating,

coughing,

vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't suffice, then the

next stage is

inflammation, I presume corresponding to Yangming. If this is not successful

at ending

the illness, then the immune system deposits toxins in some

non-life-threatening places

in the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say in

the connective

tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say, to Shaoyang. This is

called the

deposition stage. These three stages are considered to be the side of the

homotoxicology

chart reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get rid of

illness, a pro-active

immune system--the yang stages.

>

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board

approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free

discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

September 25, 2005

If I wanted to read or study more about homotoxicolgy where would I start

>>>Just contact Heel. They have web based training. It gives you all the basics.

I did it.

Oakland, CA 94609

September 25, 2005

I don't know enough about Dr. Reckeweg yet to know if he ever heard of the Shang

Han Lun or not

>>>>>No one has ever stated that he did as far as i know. Also, the six stages

in homo are only similar to a minor degree. They are much more developed than

SHL having both stages ans systems affected in each stage.

Oakland, CA 94609

September 25, 2005

Just contact Heel. They have web based training. It gives you all the basics. I

did it.

I presume just type in Heel into Google and it will come up :-)

Heiko Lade

M.H.Sc.(TCM)

Lecturer and clinic supervisor

Auckland College of Natural Medicine

Website: www.acnm.co.nz

-

Monday, September 26, 2005 11:31 AM

Re: Re: The Shang Han Lun and Homotoxicology

If I wanted to read or study more about homotoxicolgy where would I start

>>>Just contact Heel. They have web based training. It gives you all the

basics. I did it.

Oakland, CA 94609

September 25, 2005

just type in Heel

>>>It should

Oakland, CA 94609

September 25, 2005

Alon,

I realize that the Reckeweg model is quite different from the SHL's, but I think

there is more than a minor similarity. Both systems are highly developed in

their own ways. I believe that there is much to be learned by comparing and

contrasting the two systems. Miki Shima seems to have learned a lot by doing so,

and for now I'll trust his judgment in the matter. Whatever comes of it all, I

hope to keep an open mind and learn what there is to learn in all directions.

Joseph

<alonmarcus wrote:

I don't know enough about Dr. Reckeweg yet to know if he ever heard of the Shang

Han Lun or not

>>>>>No one has ever stated that he did as far as i know. Also, the six stages

in homo are only similar to a minor degree. They are much more developed than

SHL having both stages ans systems affected in each stage.

Oakland, CA 94609

September 26, 2005

Hi Joseph, I've been using homotoxicology and drainage formulas for about 6

months now with very good clinical results. I combine them with chinese

herbal formulas. I took that class with Miki Shima and a couple others.

Really good stuff.

Ferran

>Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1

>

> The Shang Han Lun and Homotoxicology

>Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT)

>

>All,

>As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV

>vitamin C, I'd like to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

>

>Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

>brilliant medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which

>means the study of that which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he

>discovered was that the disease process works through six stages, which is

>the six stages the immune system goes through in its efforts to ward off

>illness. These stages rather roughly but essentially correspond to the six

>stages found in the Shang Han Lun.

>

>The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang

>stage. At this stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in

>general by sweating, coughing, vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If

>this doesn't suffice, then the next stage is inflammation, I presume

>corresponding to Yangming. If this is not successful at ending the illness,

>then the immune system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening places

>in the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say

>in the connective tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say,

>to Shaoyang. This is called the deposition stage. These three stages are

>considered to be the side of the homotoxicology chart reflecting an immune

>system that is fighting to win, to get rid of illness, a pro-active immune

>system--the yang stages.

>

>If these stages are not victorious, then the illness proceeds to become

>chronic--the yin stages. This is the side of the homotoxicology chart

>reflecting a bodymind whose immune system is no longer fighting to win but

>to lose as slowly as possible, to compensate for what it cannot get rid of.

>The fourth stage is called the impregnation stage, because the body, having

>given up on ridding itself of the deposited toxins, now proceeds to seal up

>or entomb the toxins to prevent systemic poisoning. At this stage the

>spleen qi is exhausted. This is the stage of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia,

>rheumatoid arthritis and such. Eventually the toxins rot through the seals,

>and the surrounding tissues--and the system itself--begin to degenerate, so

>this is the degenerative or shaoyin stage. Many die at this stage. In the

>final or jueyin stage, the regeneration process in the cells goes haywire,

>and young cells in the most toxic tissues stop differentiating into their

>various types and become

> cancerous, so it is called the dedifferentiation stage.

>

>To me, the word homotoxicology is an egregious-sounding one, but it is the

>name of one of the most profound insights in medical history, and it has

>remarkable links to one of the other most profound insights in medical

>history--the Shang Han Lun. I believe the future of Chinese herbal medicine

>will become inexorably entwined with that of homotoxicology. Miki Shima

>teaches courses through Heel on Shang Han Lun/homotoxicology, which he has

>been studying and practicing for 25 years. I've only dipped my toes in that

>pool so far, but I found the water just fine. Perhaps we will become able

>to employ homeopathic Chinese herbal formulas one of these days. I'd love

>to give that a try. Any thoughts?

>Joseph Garner, LAc

>

September 26, 2005

Joseph

highly developed in their own ways.

>>>>>

That is the key here.I have talked to Miki at length on this having quite a few

lunches devoted to the subject. There are some similarities especially in the

first 2 stages but these are quite limited.Homotox is based on allopathic

medicine and physiology and therefor different.

Oakland, CA 94609

September 26, 2005

Now, all we hava to do is make it so acupuncturists in California can provide

homeopathics!

DAvid Molony

In a message dated 9/26/05 10:10:08 AM, zoilander writes:

> Hi Joseph, I've been using homotoxicology and drainage formulas for about 6

> months now with very good clinical results. I combine them with chinese

> herbal formulas. I took that class with Miki Shima and a couple others.

> Really good stuff.

>

> Ferran

>

> >Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1

> >

> > The Shang Han Lun and Homotoxicology

> >Sat, 24 Sep 2005 23:55:52 -0700 (PDT)

> >

> >All,

> >As a follow-up to my previous post in reply to ' post on IV

> >vitamin C, I'd like to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology.

> >

> >Dr. Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

> >brilliant medical person who created the science of homotoxicology, which

> >means the study of that which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens). What he

> >discovered was that the disease process works through six stages, which is

> >the six stages the immune system goes through in its efforts to ward off

> >illness. These stages rather roughly but essentially correspond to the six

> >stages found in the Shang Han Lun.

> >

> >The first stage is called the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang

> >stage. At this stage the body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in

> >general by sweating, coughing, vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If

> >this doesn't suffice, then the next stage is inflammation, I presume

> >corresponding to Yangming. If this is not successful at ending the illness,

> >then the immune system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening places

> >in the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to say

> >in the connective tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I would say,

> >to Shaoyang. This is called the deposition stage. These three stages are

> >considered to be the side of the homotoxicology chart reflecting an immune

> >system that is fighting to win, to get rid of illness, a pro-active immune

> >system--the yang stages.

> >

> >If these stages are not victorious, then the illness proceeds to become

> >chronic--the yin stages. This is the side of the homotoxicology chart

> >reflecting a bodymind whose immune system is no longer fighting to win but

> >to lose as slowly as possible, to compensate for what it cannot get rid of.

> >The fourth stage is called the impregnation stage, because the body, having

> >given up on ridding itself of the deposited toxins, now proceeds to seal up

> >or entomb the toxins to prevent systemic poisoning. At this stage the

> >spleen qi is exhausted. This is the stage of chronic fatigue, fibromyalgia,

> >rheumatoid arthritis and such. Eventually the toxins rot through the seals,

> >and the surrounding tissues--and the system itself--begin to degenerate, so

> >this is the degenerative or shaoyin stage. Many die at this stage. In the

> >final or jueyin stage, the regeneration process in the cells goes haywire,

> >and young cells in the most toxic tissues stop differentiating into their

> >various types and become

> > cancerous, so it is called the dedifferentiation stage.

> >

> >To me, the word homotoxicology is an egregious-sounding one, but it is the

> >name of one of the most profound insights in medical history, and it has

> >remarkable links to one of the other most profound insights in medical

> >history--the Shang Han Lun. I believe the future of Chinese herbal medicine

> >will become inexorably entwined with that of homotoxicology. Miki Shima

> >teaches courses through Heel on Shang Han Lun/homotoxicology, which he has

> >been studying and practicing for 25 years. I've only dipped my toes in that

> >pool so far, but I found the water just fine. Perhaps we will become able

> >to employ homeopathic Chinese herbal formulas one of these days. I'd love

> >to give that a try. Any thoughts?

> >Joseph Garner, LAc

> >

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September 26, 2005

Enzo,

Interesting, and glad to hear it works for you as well as for Miki Shima. I have

the feeling we have only begun to plumb the depths of how to use herbs, in spite

of the fact of thousands of years of clinical work.

Joseph

Enzo Blasco <zoilander wrote: