Vitamin C in Cancer therapy

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Hi All,

 

I forwarded a reference: " High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight

Cancer But will success in the lab translate to humans? By

Kathleen Doheny, HealthDay Reporter, MONDAY, Sept. 12

(HealthDay News)

http://www.healthcentral.com/newsdetail/408/527931.html

 

 

Joe GArner replied:

> Phil et al., A medical doctor in Arizona who practices holistic

> medicine recently lost his wife to breast cancer. He was apparently

> convinced that IV vitamin C alone would do the trick and save her. It

> did not. Even Dr. Matthias Rath, Linus Pauling's protege and an ardent

> proponent of IV vitamin C for cancer and heart disease, with lots of

> clinical research to back up his statements, says that treating real

> people with cancer is quite more complex than just dosing with lots of

> vitamin C. Sorry, folks, life is just not that simple. But IV vitamin C

> is taking its place as a recognized and necessary component of

> alternative/integrative cancer therapy.

 

Joe, I realise very well that Vit C alone is not going to cure cancer. I

forwarded that reference because it is one of many that stress the

importance of antioxidant supplements as PART of a cancer-therapy

protocol.

 

> I have recently joined the practice of an integrative medical center

> focusing on treating cancer. ... The most common treatments going in

> the most successful clinics in the holistic medical cancer treatment

> world are, in no particular order: homotoxicological homeopathy--both

> oral and IV, certain herbal extract supplements (including extracts of

> greater celandine and Venus flytrap), IV vitamins and minerals,

> various forms of hyperthermia, high-dose enzyme therapy, acupuncture

> and related modalities, and insulin-potentiated low-dose high-frequency

> chemotherapy. Along with that come the lifestyle and dietary

> recommendations such as frequent saunas, semi-vegetarian diet,

> nutritional supplements of a bewildering variety, exercise / yoga /

> qigong / taichi, meditation, psychoemotional work and so on. Miki Shima

> apparently treats cancer in his clinic with a mixture of Chinese herbal

> formulas, acupuncture, homotoxicological homeopathy, and

> homeopathically induced hyper! thermia, and I believe he works with a

> holistically-oriented medical doctor on these patients.

>

> Hyperthermia in this sense is the inducing of systemic fever to kick

> the immune system into high gear in order to get the TH-1 level tumor

> necrosis factors and other such immune system badasses to get off

> their butts and go to work on the cancer. The body in its wisdom

> creates fevers to deal with germs and such because the immune system

> works best when the body temperature is approaching 105 degrees. The

> longer the fever lasts, the more the cancers shrink.

>

> One more section to this email, and then I shut up: I commend to those

> who have never heard of him one Dr. Tsuneo Kobayashi of Tokyo. His

> patient population is almost entirely cancer patients who have had it

> once, been treated apparently successfully by mainstream medicine, but

> the cancer returned and now they're in terrible shape and desperate.

> As you will understand, the cancer process was not treated, just the

> symptoms (the tumor/s and such).

 

> Dr. Kobayashi understands the cancer process as well as or better than

> anyone, and his success rate in reversing cancer in these patients is

> an astounding 70 percent. His basic understanding is that the tissues

> that become cancerous are the most toxic and irritated in the body,

> and the weakest. The cellular regeneration process that normally

> proceeds fairly smoothly all the time in which undifferentiated stem

> cells mature (grow up), differentiate into the various tissues (get a

> job), reproduce (have kids) and then die goes haywire under the

> relentless pressure of chronic toxic burden. In cancer, stem cells stop

> maturing at a juvenile stage, stop differentiating, and start eating /

> destroying/looting everything in sight. Like teenage gang members

> totally pissed at the toxic society around them.

>

> Dr. Kobayashi mixes brilliant understanding of modern medicine with

> Chinese medicine treatments and concepts, including his recent

> innovation of hyperthermia via heating selected acupoints--based on

> Ryodoraku readings--to balance the autonomic nervous system. He says

> any system with a balanced ANS cannot drop into cancer. He uses moxa a

> lot, too. And by the way, he also says that cancer grows five times

> faster at night. Which tells me how much cancer has to do with the

> blood. His philosophy and that of the best of the new cancer doctors is

> not so much to kill the cancer but to rehabilitate the tissue and

> return it to normal by detoxing and strengthening--essentially a kind

> of medical tough love. And whaddaya know, it works, better than any

> other method. Hallelujah. Those terrifying cancer cells are really

> bullies, and like all bullies, when confronted with fearlessness and

> honesty, they cave in. They may be strong in appetite, but they're weak

> in character.

>

> I'm still working on my place in the scheme of things at my new office.

> The days of Chinese medicine being at best a mere adjunct to modern

> medicine in the treatment of life-threatening illness, at least in the

> West, are ending. I respectfully suggest you consider the possibility

> that the medicine we hold in our hands and hearts, when used

> judiciously and in proper context, without ego on our parts, may be

> more potent, effective and necessary than even we ever imagined.

> Anyway, I shut up now. Later. Joseph Garner, LAc

 

I agree.

 

Combination of the best from east and weat, love, intuition, knowledge,

empathy and mysticism is the way to go. And somewhere in the mix sit

nutritional supplements, herbs, antioxidants, immunostimulants,

acupuncture, self-hypnosis.

 

PS: Are Thoresen's acupuncture approach to cancer is to treat ONE

POINT on the Ko-Controlling Channel of the cancerous organ (i.e. the

organ that has " lost control " of programmed cell death (apotosis). For

example, Are might use a HT point in primary LU cancer because HT

(Fire) brings control to Metal (LU).

 

Also, the Sidmonton couple

 

> I'd like to comment on the Shang Han Lun and homotoxicology. Dr.

> Reckeweg, founder of the Heel homeopathic company of Germany, was a

> brilliant medical person who created the science of homotoxicology,

> which means the study of that which is toxic to mankind (homo sapiens).

> He discovered that the disease process works through six stages, which

> is the six stages the immune system goes through in its efforts to ward

> off illness. These stages rather roughly but essentially correspond to

> the six stages found in the Shang Han Lun. The first stage is called

> the excretion stage, corresponding to Taiyang stage. At this stage the

> body tries to excrete germs, toxins, illness in general by sweating,

> coughing, vomiting, urinating, defecating and such. If this doesn't

> suffice, then the next stage is inflammation, I presume corresponding

> to Yangming. If this is not successful at ending the illness, then the

> immune system deposits toxins in some non-life-threatening places in

> the body until it can get around to getting rid of them, which is to

> say in the connective tissue (in-between tissues), corresponding, I

> would say, to Shaoyang. This is called the deposition stage. These

> three stages are considered to be the side of the homotoxicology chart

> reflecting an immune system that is fighting to win, to get rid of

> illness, a pro-active immune system--the yang stages. If these stages

> are not victorious, then the illness proceeds to become chronic--the

> yin stages. This is the side of the homotoxicology chart reflecting a

> bodymind whose immune system is no longer fighting to win but to lose

> as slowly as possible, to compensate for what it cannot get rid of. The

> fourth stage is called the impregnation stage, because the body, having

> given up on ridding itself of the deposited toxins, now proceeds to

> seal up or entomb the toxins to prevent systemic poisoning. At this

> stage the spleen qi is exhausted. This is the stage of chronic fatigue,

> fibromyalgia, rheumatoid arthritis and such. Eventually the toxins rot

> through the seals, and the surrounding tissues--and the system

> itself--begin to degenerate, so this is the degenerative or shaoyin

> stage. Many die at this stage. In the final or jueyin stage, the

> regeneration process in the cells goes haywire, and young cells in the

> most toxic tissues stop differentiating into their various types and

> become cancerous, so it is called the dedifferentiation stage. To me,

> the word homotoxicology sounds egregious, but it is the name of one of

> the most profound insights in medical history, and it has remarkable

> links to one of the other most profound insights in medical

> history--the Shang Han Lun. I believe the future of Chinese herbal

> medicine will become inexorably entwined with that of homotoxicology.

> Miki Shima teaches courses through Heel on Shang Han

> Lun/homotoxicology, which he has been studying and practicing for 25

> years. I've only dipped my toes in that pool so far, but I found the

> water just fine. Perhaps we will become able to employ homeopathic

> Chinese herbal formulas one of these days. I'd love to give that a try.

> Any thoughts? Joseph Garner, LAc

 

Roger De La Fuye, a French acupuncturist and homeopath, developed

a series of homeopathic remedies that corresponded with the main

acupoints. His system was called HOMEOSINIATRY. However, I have

not studied that system. Have any of you studied / used it?

 

Have any of you used homeopathy in cancer? Can you summarise your

results?

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

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Phil,

< wrote:

<Joe, I realise very well that Vit C alone is not going to cure cancer. I

forwarded that reference because it is one of many that stress the

importance of antioxidant supplements as PART of a cancer-therapy

protocol.>

 

Phil, I didn't mean to insinuate that you were ignorant of anything. I guess I

was responding to the doctor who thought he could cure cancer with vitamin C

alone, and if he thought so maybe others think so, and I wanted to be sure to

dispel that notion. Forgive me if I came across wrongly.

 

<PS: Are Thoresen's acupuncture approach to cancer is to treat ONE

POINT on the Ko-Controlling Channel of the cancerous organ (i.e. the

organ that has " lost control " of programmed cell death (apotosis). For

example, Are might use a HT point in primary LU cancer because HT

(Fire) brings control to Metal (LU).

 

Also, the Sidmonton couple>

 

Thank you for the information about Are Thoresen. Duly noted. Yes indeed, the

controlling cycle seems to be the main player in long-term disease progression.

Who or what are the Sidmonton couple? Sounds like the title of a bestseller.

 

<Roger De La Fuye, a French acupuncturist and homeopath, developed

a series of homeopathic remedies that corresponded with the main

acupoints. His system was called HOMEOSINIATRY. However, I have

not studied that system. Have any of you studied / used it?

 

Have any of you used homeopathy in cancer? Can you summarise your

results?>

 

I'm not familiar with homeosiniatry. Heel does have a set of protocols with

particular injectable formulas set to particular acupuncture points, and then

there is Anton Jayasuriya in Sri Lanka who has published a whole series of books

on the subject of combining homeopathy and acupuncture. And I'm not here to plug

homeopathy as such or not. I do believe that it comes under the heading of

herbal medicine, and I think there is a bridgehead between homeopathy and TCM

herbology that is building itself as we speak and begs our attention.

Joseph

 

" Man who says it can't be done should not interrupt man doing it " -

Chinese Proverb