Guest guest Posted September 27, 2005 Report Share Posted September 27, 2005 I suppose everyone knows that in China they haven't used true wu ling zhi for years as there are hardly any of possum things left. They use the droppings from field rats now Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor Auckland College of Natural Medicine Website: www.acnm.co.nz - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:45 PM Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer Just today I tried to get two formulas from KPC in granules, shao fu zhu yu tang and ge xia zhu yu tang, and was told they are not available. They are being held 'on the docks' by the FDA because they contain an animal ingredient (wu ling zhi). The FDA is not allowing animal parts into the country to be used as medicine. On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:42 PM, wrote: > I do not see homotoxicology as homeopathy. It is based on some very > different principles and i think can be learned without some of the > detail needed to become a homeopath. The only reason i would like > to see homeopathy part of our lic is that i do not trust our > ability to have excess to herbs. There have been two many scary > development is the past. Much of homeopathy is herbal based and is > a legal FDA approved drugs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 , " Heiko Lade " <heikolade.acnm@x> wrote: > I suppose everyone knows that in China they haven't used true wu ling zhi for years as there are hardly any of possum things left. > They use the droppings from field rats now Come on, now! Why on earth would someone gather droppings from field rats when you can put a whole bunch of the correct animals in a cage and sweep the droppings right off the floor? The Chinese are naturally inclined towards business, just go to any Chinese society and look at the number of shops. There is a demand for this specific feces and farming rodents is hardly difficult. Big herbal companies have experts in identification and crazy analytical technology to evaluate the source of their products. The Chinese are not gullible, uneducated people who will just buy any rat shit that someone is trying to sell with no questions asked, I'm sorry. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2005 Report Share Posted September 28, 2005 I think Eric is right. I've seen articles in Chinese magazines about people raising the animals that make wu ling zhi in cages in their backyard, sort of like how some people used to raise chinchillas in the 50s and 60s in the U.S. in their basements. BTW, the FDA ban on animal products seems to be variously enforced at different ports of entry. The inspector at the Long Beach port of entry (i.e., L.A.) seems to be a real ball-buster with a personal grudge against CM. Other ports of entry seem to be less problematic about CM meds. AHPA is trying to fight this new FDA ruling. This is another reason why it is important to buy your Chinese meds from companies who are AHPA members. The AHPA Chinese Herb committee will be having a meeting in Chicago in conjunction with the AAOM conference. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 I thought it was flying squirrel feces! I don't know about the rats in China, but American rat poop is much smaller than wu ling zhi. If what you say is true, they must have some giant rats over there! Heiko Lade <heikolade.acnm wrote: I suppose everyone knows that in China they haven't used true wu ling zhi for years as there are hardly any of possum things left. They use the droppings from field rats now Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor Auckland College of Natural Medicine Website: www.acnm.co.nz - Wednesday, September 28, 2005 4:45 PM Re: High Doses of IV Vitamin C Fight Cancer Just today I tried to get two formulas from KPC in granules, shao fu zhu yu tang and ge xia zhu yu tang, and was told they are not available. They are being held 'on the docks' by the FDA because they contain an animal ingredient (wu ling zhi). The FDA is not allowing animal parts into the country to be used as medicine. On Sep 27, 2005, at 9:42 PM, wrote: > I do not see homotoxicology as homeopathy. It is based on some very > different principles and i think can be learned without some of the > detail needed to become a homeopath. The only reason i would like > to see homeopathy part of our lic is that i do not trust our > ability to have excess to herbs. There have been two many scary > development is the past. Much of homeopathy is herbal based and is > a legal FDA approved drugs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2005 Report Share Posted September 29, 2005 Eric I am only relaying what people in th eknow have told me. Thats why the herbalists in Chinatown (Sydney) wouldn't use wu ling zhi. They showed me old pictures of wu ling zhi and the new one , and it is different. Heiko Lade M.H.Sc.(TCM) Lecturer and clinic supervisor Auckland College of Natural Medicine Website: www.acnm.co.nz - Eric Brand Thursday, September 29, 2005 12:21 AM Re: wu ling zhi , " Heiko Lade " <heikolade.acnm@x> wrote: > I suppose everyone knows that in China they haven't used true wu ling zhi for years as there are hardly any of possum things left. > They use the droppings from field rats now Come on, now! Why on earth would someone gather droppings from field rats when you can put a whole bunch of the correct animals in a cage and sweep the droppings right off the floor? The Chinese are naturally inclined towards business, just go to any Chinese society and look at the number of shops. There is a demand for this specific feces and farming rodents is hardly difficult. Big herbal companies have experts in identification and crazy analytical technology to evaluate the source of their products. The Chinese are not gullible, uneducated people who will just buy any rat shit that someone is trying to sell with no questions asked, I'm sorry. Eric Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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