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Hello,

What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of Liver Yin

and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We never heard much in

TCM school about the latter.

 

Thank you,

Young Song L.Ac., Dipl.OM

 

 

 

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, Young Song

<youngsong1210> wrote:

> Hello,

> What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of

Liver Yin and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We

never heard much in TCM school about the latter.

 

If a deficient (xu) pulse has part of its definition as being at the

superficial level, then how could a pulse be both deep and superficial

(not counting the hollow pulse)?

 

Brian C. Allen

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Young Song,

You are speaking of a pulse that you can only feel at the deep level, and there

it is weak? If so, then I would say that the yang level of function you are not

feeling at all, so it is obviously vacuous. The yin and blood of the liver are

not strong, but they are still there. The pulse is felt at the deep level

because the energy of the liver is working at the organ level, but not at the

functional level, or not well at all--not in the channels. This person may have

very weak flow of liver qi. It may be constrained, but only in the same sense

any qi deficiency/vacuity will lead to lack of qi flow, since there is not

enough to flow. The person may have aches and pains throughout their

tendinomuscular system, or are simply tired, but I suspect both. Or else this is

a sign of what is impending in the near future for this person. They will be

tense. They will probably also have difficulty getting refreshing sleep, or

falling asleep altogether. They may have cold hands and feet due to

lack of yang qi/qi flow. They may feel disorganized. Their hypochondrial areas

may be superficially a bit tense but below that mushy. They may have taken too

much Tylenol. Please let me know if any of this is accurate if there is a

specific person in mind.

Joseph Garner

 

Young Song <youngsong1210 wrote:

Hello,

What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of Liver Yin

and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We never heard much in

TCM school about the latter.

 

Thank you,

Young Song L.Ac., Dipl.OM

 

 

 

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Young Song,

Oh, and I forgot one more thing. The area between their eyebrows may well be

sunken and/or grayish.

Joseph Garner

 

Young Song <youngsong1210 wrote:

Hello,

What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of Liver Yin

and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We never heard much in

TCM school about the latter.

 

Thank you,

Young Song L.Ac., Dipl.OM

 

 

 

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This sounds to me like a problem of terminology (again). I suspect that

what is actually being discussed is a pulse that is deep and forceless (and

possible thin) making it a weak pulse (deep, fine and

forceless). Remember, when feeling a pulse you need to describe the rate,

depth, force, rhythm and form - then you are describing a complete pulse

and not missing important aspects of pulse by describing it incorrectly.

 

Marnae

 

At 10:47 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote:

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><youngsong1210> wrote:

> > Hello,

> > What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of

>Liver Yin and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We

>never heard much in TCM school about the latter.

>

>If a deficient (xu) pulse has part of its definition as being at the

>superficial level, then how could a pulse be both deep and superficial

>(not counting the hollow pulse)?

>

>Brian C. Allen

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" They may have taken too much Tylenol. "

 

Have you observed that Tylenol affects the pulse in this way?

 

Pat

 

 

 

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