Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Hello, What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of Liver Yin and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We never heard much in TCM school about the latter. Thank you, Young Song L.Ac., Dipl.OM for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 , Young Song <youngsong1210> wrote: > Hello, > What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of Liver Yin and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We never heard much in TCM school about the latter. If a deficient (xu) pulse has part of its definition as being at the superficial level, then how could a pulse be both deep and superficial (not counting the hollow pulse)? Brian C. Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Young Song, You are speaking of a pulse that you can only feel at the deep level, and there it is weak? If so, then I would say that the yang level of function you are not feeling at all, so it is obviously vacuous. The yin and blood of the liver are not strong, but they are still there. The pulse is felt at the deep level because the energy of the liver is working at the organ level, but not at the functional level, or not well at all--not in the channels. This person may have very weak flow of liver qi. It may be constrained, but only in the same sense any qi deficiency/vacuity will lead to lack of qi flow, since there is not enough to flow. The person may have aches and pains throughout their tendinomuscular system, or are simply tired, but I suspect both. Or else this is a sign of what is impending in the near future for this person. They will be tense. They will probably also have difficulty getting refreshing sleep, or falling asleep altogether. They may have cold hands and feet due to lack of yang qi/qi flow. They may feel disorganized. Their hypochondrial areas may be superficially a bit tense but below that mushy. They may have taken too much Tylenol. Please let me know if any of this is accurate if there is a specific person in mind. Joseph Garner Young Song <youngsong1210 wrote: Hello, What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of Liver Yin and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We never heard much in TCM school about the latter. Thank you, Young Song L.Ac., Dipl.OM for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2005 Report Share Posted October 1, 2005 Young Song, Oh, and I forgot one more thing. The area between their eyebrows may well be sunken and/or grayish. Joseph Garner Young Song <youngsong1210 wrote: Hello, What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of Liver Yin and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We never heard much in TCM school about the latter. Thank you, Young Song L.Ac., Dipl.OM for Good Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 This sounds to me like a problem of terminology (again). I suspect that what is actually being discussed is a pulse that is deep and forceless (and possible thin) making it a weak pulse (deep, fine and forceless). Remember, when feeling a pulse you need to describe the rate, depth, force, rhythm and form - then you are describing a complete pulse and not missing important aspects of pulse by describing it incorrectly. Marnae At 10:47 PM 10/1/2005, you wrote: > , Young Song ><youngsong1210> wrote: > > Hello, > > What is the meaning of a deep deficient Liver pulse -- Deficiency of >Liver Yin and Blood, or Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions. We >never heard much in TCM school about the latter. > >If a deficient (xu) pulse has part of its definition as being at the >superficial level, then how could a pulse be both deep and superficial >(not counting the hollow pulse)? > >Brian C. Allen > > > > > > >Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including >board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a >free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 " They may have taken too much Tylenol. " Have you observed that Tylenol affects the pulse in this way? Pat ----------------------- IRS Circular 230 Legend: Any advice contained herein was not intended or written to be used, and cannot be used, for the purpose of avoiding U.S. federal, state, or local tax penalties. Unless otherwise specifically indicated above, you should assume that any statement in this email relating to any U.S. federal, state, or local tax matter was written in connection with the promotion or marketing by other parties of the transaction(s) or matter(s) addressed in this email. Each taxpayer should seek advice based on the taxpayer's particular circumstances from an independent tax advisor. ============================================================================== NOTE: The information in this email is confidential and may be legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, you must not read, use or disseminate the information; please advise the sender immediately by reply email and delete this message and any attachments without retaining a copy. Although this email and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that may affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft LLP for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. ============================================================================== Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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