Liver and Kidney Deficiency

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Hello,

What exactly is meant by the commonly used phrase: " Liver and Kidney

deficiency " ? Does this mean Kid Jing and Liver Blood Xu, or does it mean

Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions with underlying Kid Def. I would have

thought it means the prior, but various TCM texts suggest the usage of " Du

Zhong, Gou Ji, Niu Xi... for Liver and Kidney Deficiency " , suggesting that the

ambiguous phrase refers to the latter.

 

Thank you,

Young Song L.Ac, Dipl.OM

 

 

 

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correct if I am wrong, but I interptret liver and kid deficiency as liver yin

and kid yin deficiency

Heiko Lade

M.H.Sc.(TCM)

Lecturer and clinic supervisor

Auckland College of Natural Medicine

Website: www.acnm.co.nz

 

 

 

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Young Song

Subhuti Dharmananda

Sunday, October 02, 2005 1:19 PM

Liver and Kidney Deficiency

 

 

Hello,

What exactly is meant by the commonly used phrase: " Liver and Kidney

deficiency " ? Does this mean Kid Jing and Liver Blood Xu, or does it mean

Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions with underlying Kid Def. I would have

thought it means the prior, but various TCM texts suggest the usage of " Du

Zhong, Gou Ji, Niu Xi... for Liver and Kidney Deficiency " , suggesting that the

ambiguous phrase refers to the latter.

 

Thank you,

Young Song L.Ac, Dipl.OM

 

 

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Liver blood + kidney yin and/or yang vacuity

 

Bob

 

, Young Song

<youngsong1210> wrote:

> Hello,

> What exactly is meant by the commonly used phrase: " Liver and

Kidney deficiency " ? Does this mean Kid Jing and Liver Blood Xu, or

does it mean Deficiency of the Liver's Yang functions with underlying

Kid Def. I would have thought it means the prior, but various TCM

texts suggest the usage of " Du Zhong, Gou Ji, Niu Xi... for Liver and

Kidney Deficiency " , suggesting that the ambiguous phrase refers to the

latter.

>

> Thank you,

> Young Song L.Ac, Dipl.OM

>

>

>

> for Good

> Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Heiko and everybody,

Thank you for your response to my question. To clarify further, the reason I

ask is that in Bensky's <<Formulas and Strategies>>, he uses the phrase, " For

leg weakness due to Kidney and Liver deficiency, use Du Zhong, with Gou Ji, Niu

Xi [and other Yang tonics; I can't remember which ones and I don't have my book

with me]. " To me, this means that the commonly used phrase, " Kid & Liv

deficiency " , refers to predominantly Kid Yang Xu and I guess deficiency of the

Liver's Yang functions, although I have never heard of such a thing as the

latter. (???) Or, is it more like this: Kidney Yin also eventually wanes as

the Kidney Yang becomes deficient, thereby leading to Liver Yin Deficiency, ie.

Water Failing to Nourish Wood. Giovanni Macioccia describes in his " Headaches "

chapter this particular pathological process in a certain type of Liver Yang

Rising H/A, where Kid Yang Xu leads to Kid Yin Xu, which leads to Liver Yin Xu

and Liver Yang Rising. OR, does " Liv & Kid Deficiency " refer

to the straightforward Kid Yin Xu leading to Liv Yin Xu, as you suggest, Heiko.

I have seen this usage of the phrase in the appropriate context in several

texts. Also, the phrase could more specifically mean Kidney Jing and Liver

Blood Xu. So, I think it is very confusing to use that phrase. Why are people

using it when it seems that it could refer to any of the above?

 

Young Song

L.Ac., Dipl.OM

 

 

 

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