Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Some interesting work on aspirin. http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/rej.2004.7.243 Aspirin is clearly a blood moving substance: " 1. relieves joint pain 2. relieves chest pain 3. stop mild heart attack 4. decreases swelling c/c: may induce bleeding in excessive doses It is important to understand that the bleeding side effects of aspirin are associated with does over 1gram per day. There is no association with this risk at 81g per day. There is even evidence that does up to 325g/day might be beneficial. Since aspirin is clearly a blood moving, cooling substance, then perhaps it has other properties associated with this category of herbs. And perhaps just as it has superior pain relieving properties compared to these herbs, it may also be superior in its other effects. Evidence now points to its anti-inflammatory, platelet stickiness decreasing and (yes) antioxidant properties to make it a powerful preventive of not only heart disease, but also cancer (esp. colon) and Alzheimer's. Naturopaths have long held the theory that chronic inflammation is a major factor in degenerative disease and premature aging. Major TCM theories likewise associate these with heat: dampheat, yin fire, yin vacuity heat, warm pathogens, cold pathogens transformed to heat. But some simmering of low grade heat signs is common to all these. Modern medicine has recently piled up much research to support this concept. Naturopaths have made diet the central agent in decreasing inflammation. TCM has used herbs. Characteristically modern med uses drugs. However drugs are only a problem if they cause side effects. If you live to be 100 and 175mg/day of aspirin was the key, then you win. Everyone dies and you can't put off the inevitable decline of the body no matter how good you eat, no matter what herbs you take, etc. From this perspective, there actually may be a role for substances that block so-called " normal " bodily processes if the net result is longer life, less symptoms and diseases related to inflammation with no noticeable side effects. Chinese Herbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 todd, thank you! Why, you ask? I think, that is *real* outside-the-box, creative thinking. I remember coming to a conclusion-most all diseases are infl.based -also the histamines that moderate infl. I felt pretty smart when that finally made the news . May i quote you to docs i know? Is it ok to also quote you in writing? thanks! Lynn --- < wrote: > Some interesting work on aspirin. > > http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/rej.2004.7.243 > > Aspirin is clearly a blood moving substance: " > > 1. relieves joint pain > > 2. relieves chest pain > > 3. stop mild heart attack > > 4. decreases swelling > > c/c: may induce bleeding in excessive doses > > It is important to understand that the bleeding side effects of > aspirin are associated with does over 1gram per day. There is no > association with this risk at 81g per day. There is even evidence > that does up to 325g/day might be beneficial. > > Since aspirin is clearly a blood moving, cooling substance, then > perhaps it has other properties associated with this category of > herbs. And perhaps just as it has superior pain relieving properties > compared to these herbs, it may also be superior in its other > effects. Evidence now points to its anti-inflammatory, platelet > stickiness decreasing and (yes) antioxidant properties to make it a > powerful preventive of not only heart disease, but also cancer (esp. > colon) and Alzheimer's. > > Naturopaths have long held the theory that chronic inflammation is a > major factor in degenerative disease and premature aging. Major TCM > theories likewise associate these with heat: dampheat, yin fire, yin > vacuity heat, warm pathogens, cold pathogens transformed to heat. > But some simmering of low grade heat signs is common to all these. > Modern medicine has recently piled up much research to support this > concept. Naturopaths have made diet the central agent in decreasing > inflammation. TCM has used herbs. Characteristically modern med > uses drugs. However drugs are only a problem if they cause side > effects. If you live to be 100 and 175mg/day of aspirin was the key, > then you win. Everyone dies and you can't put off the inevitable > decline of the body no matter how good you eat, no matter what herbs > you take, etc. From this perspective, there actually may be a role > for substances that block so-called " normal " bodily processes if the > net result is longer life, less symptoms and diseases related to > inflammation with no noticeable side effects. > > > Chinese Herbs > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Interesting, I've also suspected this effect on chronic prostatatis based on observed reactions. I've used white willow (Salix alba) rather than Populus spp. I suspect it as having Kidney Yin tonification and Blood-invigorating properties, but this is only a suspicion based on limited use - many of the CP cases i've seen involve at least some degree of both Kidney Yin Deficiency and Blood Stasis as well as other patterns. Here's a page of interest on salicylates and herbs: http://home.caregroup.org/clinical/altmed/interactions/Herb_Groups/Salicyla te-cont.htm ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org > " Are Thoresen " <arethore >I have clearly seen a cronic prostatitis in many patients get better if I >give extract from populus, which contains acetyl-salisylic acid. > >Are > >Are Simeon Thoresen >arethore <arethore >http://home.online.no/~arethore/ > > > > >-----Opprinnelig melding----- >Fra: >Pa vegne av >Sendt: 3. oktober 2005 11:33 >Til: cha >Emne: aspirin > > >Some interesting work on aspirin. > >http://www.liebertonline.com/doi/pdf/10.1089/rej.2004.7.243 > >Aspirin is clearly a blood moving substance: " > >1. relieves joint pain > >2. relieves chest pain > >3. stop mild heart attack > >4. decreases swelling > >c/c: may induce bleeding in excessive doses > >It is important to understand that the bleeding side effects of >aspirin are associated with does over 1gram per day. There is no >association with this risk at 81g per day. There is even evidence >that does up to 325g/day might be beneficial. > >Since aspirin is clearly a blood moving, cooling substance, then >perhaps it has other properties associated with this category of >herbs. And perhaps just as it has superior pain relieving properties >compared to these herbs, it may also be superior in its other >effects. Evidence now points to its anti-inflammatory, platelet >stickiness decreasing and (yes) antioxidant properties to make it a >powerful preventive of not only heart disease, but also cancer (esp. >colon) and Alzheimer's. > >Naturopaths have long held the theory that chronic inflammation is a >major factor in degenerative disease and premature aging. Major TCM >theories likewise associate these with heat: dampheat, yin fire, yin >vacuity heat, warm pathogens, cold pathogens transformed to heat. >But some simmering of low grade heat signs is common to all these. >Modern medicine has recently piled up much research to support this >concept. Naturopaths have made diet the central agent in decreasing >inflammation. TCM has used herbs. Characteristically modern med >uses drugs. However drugs are only a problem if they cause side >effects. If you live to be 100 and 175mg/day of aspirin was the key, >then you win. Everyone dies and you can't put off the inevitable >decline of the body no matter how good you eat, no matter what herbs >you take, etc. From this perspective, there actually may be a role >for substances that block so-called " normal " bodily processes if the >net result is longer life, less symptoms and diseases related to >inflammation with no noticeable side effects. > > >Chinese Herbs > ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 --- < wrote: > It is important to understand that the bleeding side > effects of > aspirin are associated with does over 1gram per day. > There is no > association with this risk at 81g per day. There is > even evidence > that does up to 325g/day might be beneficial. > This doesnt make sense! Did you mean to say 81 mg, and 325 mg. Please clarify.. ...Infinite gratitude to all things past.. ....Infinite respect to all things present... .....Infinite responsibility to all things future.... ......Tao..... Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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