Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 From my blog: don't mean to talk down to the herbalists on the CHA list, but this was written for a larger audience: _____________ Australians Win Nobel Prize, but Chinese Were First Gancao.net sends out a big congratulations to researchers Robin Warren and Barry Marshall who rocked the gastro-intestinal world when they identified H-pylori as a bacteria that plays a key role in many stomach and intestinal ulcers. Thanks to their work that challenged the conventional wisdom of the day, ulcers that show positive for this bacteria are routinely treated with antibiotics while the stress induced type are treated with different drugs. This is all well and good, but I just wanted to point out that TCM treats ulcers in a variety of ways as well. Among the most common syndromes we find is what we call " Liver attacking Stomach " which is the stress-induced kind of ulcer, and the " Stomach Fire " type which is treated with formulas that include Huang Lian. Stomach Fire or heat can look like a bacterial infection now that we have this term for it. The herb that addresses this particular condition is called Huang Lian or " Coptis " (Rz. Coptidis). Guess what? This herb has antibiotic tendencies. The formula that address Stomach Fire type ulcers includes a healthy dosage of Huang Lian. The formula is called Zhu Jin Wan and comes from a book called Dan Xi Xin Fa or " Teachings of Dan Xi " This book was written in 1481 thus beating the nobel prize winning Australians by a mere 501 years. This reminds me of the American myth that our continent was discovered by Christopher Columbus rather than Leif Erikson and his vikings or even the Asians who probably walked into North American via a land bridge off the coast of Alaska eons before. _____________ -- Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 On Oct 3, 2005, at 4:43 PM, wrote: > The formula is called Zhu Jin Wan and comes > from a book called Dan Xi Xin Fa or " Teachings of Dan Xi " This book > was written in 1481 thus beating the nobel prize winning Australians > by a mere 501 years. -- Al, Don't you think we can do even better? Ban xia xie xin tang was recorded circa 200ad in the Shang Han Lun. Although the disease of stomach ulcer was not described at the time, the clinical symptom picture for bxxxt would fit many cases with this diagnosis. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 Rorry Remember that classically Ban xia xie xin tang is not used for pain, although this has changed now alon Rory Kerr <rorykerr wrote: On Oct 3, 2005, at 4:43 PM, wrote: > The formula is called Zhu Jin Wan and comes > from a book called Dan Xi Xin Fa or " Teachings of Dan Xi " This book > was written in 1481 thus beating the nobel prize winning Australians > by a mere 501 years. -- Al, Don't you think we can do even better? Ban xia xie xin tang was recorded circa 200ad in the Shang Han Lun. Although the disease of stomach ulcer was not described at the time, the clinical symptom picture for bxxxt would fit many cases with this diagnosis. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 3, 2005 Report Share Posted October 3, 2005 On Oct 3, 2005, at 8:38 PM, Alon Marcus wrote: > Remember that classically Ban xia xie xin tang is not used for pain, > although this has changed no -- Right, but pain isn't necessarily a symptom of peptic ulcer. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 pain isn't necessarily a symptom of peptic ulcer. >>>>>>> Not necessary but extreemly common, much more common fullness without pain. At the same time i have used the formula many times for peptic ulcers when modified alon Rory Kerr <rorykerr wrote: On Oct 3, 2005, at 8:38 PM, Alon Marcus wrote: > Remember that classically Ban xia xie xin tang is not used for pain, > although this has changed no -- Right, but pain isn't necessarily a symptom of peptic ulcer. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 On Oct 4, 2005, at 1:59 PM, Alon Marcus wrote: > pain isn't necessarily a symptom of peptic ulcer. > >>>>>>> > Not necessary but extreemly common, much more common fullness without > pain. At the same time i have used the formula many times for peptic > ulcers when modified -- Right. Anyway, I think the basic claim is reasonable. Rory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 4, 2005 Report Share Posted October 4, 2005 Anyway, I think the basic claim is reasonable. >>>> Rory I agree Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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