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Can you recommend any books on Unani/Tibb medicine (with or without parallels to

?)

 

 

Thanks,

 

Brandt

, " " <zrosenbe@s...>

wrote:

>

> I have to basically agree with Jason. I would say, however, if one

> goes further back to the works of Maimonides, Ibn Sina, and other

> Greco-Arabic physicians, a few of whose works are translated into

> English, one will see a very sophisticated diagnostic and treatment

> system similar in many ways to Chinese medicine. Unfortunately, it

> largely fell into disuse with the advent of Western medicine

> about. . . 100 years ago! This system still survives in India and

> Pakistan as Unani medicine.

>

>

> On Oct 8, 2005, at 5:25 PM, wrote:

>

> >

> >

> >

> >>

> >>

> >> On Behalf Of Thomas Avery

> >> Garran

> >> Saturday, October 08, 2005 3:14 PM

> >>

> >> Was Ling Zhi now lets have some fun

> >>

> >> Jason, et al,

> >>

> >> Your questions below are valid. The main issue is whether or not

> >> there is

> >> sufficient information available in the Western herbal literature to

> >> answer most of the questions you ask.

> >>

> > I would argue that there is, BUT the

> >

> >> language is different and the information is not always readily

> >> available,

> >> it is certainly not found in popular herb books.>

> >>

> >

> > But one surely has to ask, how reliable is this fringe literature?

> > And what

> > books are you talking about, I have read many many 'non-popular'

> > books and

> > have never been impressed.

> >

> > Before I studied Western Herbalism, I not only

> > found the

> > literature scarce, but earlier works were pretty much useless

> > because the

> > western medicine theory that it was based on was in its infancy and

> > the

> > terms and diseases are almost laughable now. These earlier works

> > are almost

> > intangible. I actually lived in Cincinnati, home of the famous lloyd

> > library (eclectic institute), were it houses one of the largest

> > collections

> > of books in western herbalism. I use to visit this library often.

> > The room

> > was the size of my bedroom. IT was always like trying to find a

> > needle in a

> > haystack, a majority of it somewhat useless. I am actually reminded

> > of the

> > infancy of western herbalism right now as I surf Michael moore's

> > website:

> > http://www.swsbm.com/homepage/

> > This site has many reprints of supposedly the most famous western

> > herbalist

> > texts. Just read some of this stuff. Actually quite humorous.

> >

> > I have to wonder, how long of a history does modern day western

> > herblaism

> > have? Yeah, one can say it goes back 1000's of years. This is a

> > joke. IT

> > is very new. Just one hundred years ago it is super basic. One can

> > see this.

> >

> >

> > So what is the point? Well at least I can't find that there is

> > " sufficient

> > information available in the Western herbal literature " as you

> > suggest.

> > Where is it? Maybe I missed a whole genre of books and

> > information, but the

> > lack of material, precision, depth, and history is precisely why I

> > got into

> > . It is clearly from my perspective, night and

> > day. But I

> > am open to your stance. If you don't mind I would like to see some

> > examples

> > of the depth of western herbal knowledge and how we can transfer

> > this into

> > CM. When one looks at these books, they read like this: this herb

> > is good

> > for cough. Ok next herb... This one is good for the stomach. Ok...

> > and ....

> >

> > Even looking further to around 1930 one looks at the eclectic's

> > list of

> > formulas one sees a super simplified approach. Here is a formula

> > labeled

> > 'stomach tonic', ok next.. here is a formula for insomnia. Ok next...

> >

> > Even the modern day Moore manuals leave much to ponder. No

> > details, just 3

> > sentence entries for herbs and then here is a formula for

> > allergies, ok

> > next, here is one for candida.. next.. I would really like to see

> > somewhere

> > where there is some depth, discussion of theory beyond simples or

> > formuals

> > based on western medicine. I would like to see how to modify based

> > on the

> > patient. I would like to see a differentiation for patterns, not

> > just this

> > herb is good for cough, or cough with yellow phlegm. What if the

> > pathogen

> > is on the exterior. What if the pathogen is in the interior.. Oh

> > wait, does

> > Western Herbalism even have such a concept. Without ever seeing

> > this I have

> > a hard time believing there is 'plenty of western herbalism

> > literature' to

> > sufficiently be able to classify herbs in .

> >

> > Now I am not completely bashing western herblism. Clearly it has

> > helped

> > many people. But it is a different and YOUNG system.

> > Enough ranting, I am actually quite interested in your work. And

> > if you

> > could share some examples I would enjoy it or at least some online

> > information to expand my horizons...

> >

> > -

> >

> >

> > e.

> >

> >

> >

> >> I would also like to point out that, IMO, this work must be done,

> >> in part,

> >> by PERSONAL experimentation. I take this stuff, sometime in large

> >> quantities, to see what happens. Call me a modern day Shennong if you

> >>

> > like,

> >

> >> but this is a process that many Western herbalists are trained by.

> >> We call

> >> it a proving, a way to have personal experience with a medicinal,

> >> which

> >> helps us to understand the medicinal. I don't mean to imply that all

> >> Western herbalists take large doses of all Western herbs, that's

> >> reserved

> >> for lunatics like me and a few others who really love plants.

> >>

> >> Frankly, I think the " so many variables " motif is more paranoia than

> >> sensible. The Chinese don't seem to have any problem adding new

> >> medicinals

> >> into their materia medica, why should we. Case in point, look at

> >> your new

> >> Bensky page 735 and 741. If that doesn't support my assertion then oh

> >> well :-}

> >>

> >> Thomas

> >>

> >>

> >>> If an herb treats cough with yellow phlegm, it is

> >>> easy enough.

> >>>

> >>

> >> Or is it...? One may ask what is the mechanism that it treats the

> >> yellow

> >> phlegm; with what combination of other herbs does it treat the yellow

> >> phlegm. Does it treat the root or branch. Does it help dislodge

> >> it or

> >> just

> >> moisten it. Does it clear heat or does it dry phlegm. Does it treat

> >> (release the) exterior or interior. Does it disseminate the lung

> >> qi or

> >> expand the chest. I think even such a simple statement as help

> >> yellow-phlegm

> >> cough can lead to an immense amount a variables from a CM

> >> perspective,

> >> especially when it comes to combos. What happens when one inserts

> >> herb

> >> a

> >> into formula Y - IT can be very complicated. Personally if there

> >> was a

> >> western herb in fron of me, and someone said it treats yellow

> >> phlegm, I

> >> would have a hard time inserting into a Chinese RX. - How do I

> >> know how

> >> cold

> >> it is? Is it just cool? Does it tax the digestion? How will it

> >> interact

> >> with the other herbs? There are so many variables. But that is where

> >> Thomas's book comes in, I would like to just hear the methodology

> >> Thomas

> >> used to figure out all of these factors. But surely I look

> >> forward to

> >> his

> >> work.

> >>

> >> -

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> Professor of

> >> Honolulu, HI

> >> 808-349-8219

> >>

> >> www.herbsandmore.photostockplus.com

> >>

> >>

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Jason, Z'ev, et al.

 

I agree that herbalism in the West as we know it today is quite young, but it

still has built on its roots which are old. This primarily has to do with the

use of plants and not so much the system. A disadvantage to be sure. Jason, I am

surprised that you have studied that much Western herbalism and not found good

clinical books. I have included sections from one 19th Century, one 21st

Century, and one of my own monographs for your viewing. Enjoy! I look forward to

your comments.

 

From The Physio-medical Dispensatory: A Treaties on Therapeutics, Materia

Medica, and Pharmacy, in Accordance with the Principles of Physiological

Medication, By Wm. H. Cook, MD 1869. Asclepias tuberosa, Radix pg278-9:

Properties and Uses.-- The root of this palnt is probably onof the most reliable

and serviceable relaxing diaphoretics in the whole Materia Medica. It diffuses

itself with only moderate rapidity, but maintains its influence with

considerable pertinacity. Its principal action is upon the sweat glands, at the

same time arteries. It also exerts a decided impression upon the serous tissues,

especially the pleurae and peritoneum; the mucous membranes of the lungs and and

bowels are also influenced by it; and tis general action gives a peculiar and

valuable relief to actue arterial and nervous excitements.

The Chief employment of this agent is in febrile and inflammatory affections,

where the perspiration needs to be decidedly promoted, and excitement of the

heart relieved by a full outward determination of blood. It secures a slow,

steady, and free perspiration, at the same time suitably diminishing excessive

heat of the surface; which action renders it highly serviceable in typhus,

scarlet, bilious, puerperal, lung rheumatic, and other forms of fever, with a

hot skin and rigid pulse. Measles and catarrhal fever may be added especially to

this list; and so great is its service in pleurishy, that " pleurisy root: is one

of the most popular of its names among the people. In acute dysentery, with

fever and tormina, it secures that free circulaition to the surface which

affordes great relief to the bowels; and in the acute stages of inflammation of

the womb, bladder, and kidneys, it is of equal advantage. In all these cases it

use is followed by not only an increased perspiration and

softening of the plse; but the action of the kidneys becomes better, the mucous

surgaces act more firmly and naturally, and the nervous system obtains a

soothing impression that is very desireable.

General as the action of this agent thus is, it is yet reather slow; and its

influence is so void of stimulation, that the shysician will be diappointed if

he look for sudden and powerful effets from it. Its persistency and mildness,

together withit certianty, are what make it so useful. Most commonly it is

combined with some diffusive and more prompt stimulant, especially with about

one-fourth its own weight of ginger or polemonium. There is a peculiar

insipidness about the taste of this asclepias, which is well covered by the

giger. Ther fresh root has a rather mawkish, nauseating taste.

This agent is not one that is to be chosen in the treatment of chronic cases;

though its action on the sweat glands leads many to combine it with stimulants

and tonics in leucorrhea, recent dropsies, and other cases where the skin is

harsh and dry. It is not an article suitable for depressed conditions; and

should not be used where there is already a tendency to toomuch perspiration, or

where the pulse is small and feeble. In distinct typhoid cases, it should always

be combined with a full por5tion of stimulants; and the same rule should be

abserved in using it during the latter stages of pneeumonia, pleurisy,

peritonitis, etc. If, in any of these cases, the surface becomes cold, the pulse

weak, and signs of approaching effusion supervine, this asclepias should not be

used at all. In like manner, it would be out of place in any malady presenting a

similar condition of skin and pulse, with a tendency to suppuration of

putrescence. (There's lots of other botany, pharmacy and

combinations in the surrounding pages, but I'm tired.)

 

From Medicinal Plants of the Moutain West, by Michael Moore 2003 pg 202:

Medicinal Use: Ins ome part of eastern New Mexico this is also called Inmortal

and is quite similar to that plant in nearly all respects except for a lack of

pronounced cardiac effects. It is a stimulatn to the vagus nerve, producing

perspiration, expectoration, bronchial dilation, and the like. As it name

signifies, it is useful for pleurisy and mild pulmonary edema, increaseing fluid

circulation, cilia function, and lymphatic drainage. An average does is a scant

teaspoon of the chopped root, boiled in water, one or two cups drunk in a day,

or one to three quirts of the tincture in hot water, to three times a day.

Substantailly larger amount can cause nausea or vomiting. Pleurisy Root, as a

gestalt, tends to stimulate skin and mucosal circulation, sebacious secretions,

and sweat; therefore it can be used with great success in tonic formulas for

both dry skin and hair, frequent nighttime urination, and generally

poor adaptability to changes in heat and humidity. This all derives from our

blody's tendency to balance everyday fluid mechanics and blood chemistry between

the lungs, kineys, and skin. Pleurisy Root Shifts dominance to the lungs and

skin and away from the kidneys. Folks with a pattern of adrenalin stress and

blood sugar ups and downs often manifest dry skin and mucosa and somewhat

compromised pulmonary function. Pleurisy Root acts as a tonic for this by

shifting enery to the lungs and surface manbranes, i.e., strengthening

weaknessess, a prper tonic effect.

 

From A Clinical Guide to Using Western Herbs in , By Thomas

Avery Garran (Yet unpublished, all right resevered.)

Pleurisy Root

 

Asclepias tuberosa

 

Aslepiadaceae

 

Other Names: Butterfly Weed, Wind Root

 

Qi and Flavor: bitter, acrid, cold

 

Channels entered: lung, large intestine

 

Actions: expectorant, antitussive, diaphoretic, anticatarrhal

 

Functions & Indications: Clears heat, diffuses the lung qi and transforms phlegm

for lung-heat with symptoms of pain in the chest with fever and cough with no or

difficult expectoration. Pleurisy Root has a bitter and acrid flavor and is cold

in nature. Its bitter and acrid flavor, transform phlegm and drain the lung of

repletion heat, while diffusing the lung qi. While its cold nature strongly

clear heat. Together these flavors and nature combine to create an effective

action in the treatment of transforming phlegm, clearing heat and assisting the

lung qi in its depurating and diffusing action. This medicinal also resolves the

exterior assisting the body to push out any pathogens that may have entered from

the exterior.

 

Circulates the qi of the chest, relieves pain and harmonizes the

upper jiao. This herb is very effective for major chest bind (da jie xiong)

caused by chronic heat and phlegm where the heat is predominate with a tight,

rapid pulse. Pleurisy Root has an acrid and bitter flavor. Acridity outthrusts

while bitter downbears. This combination of flavors creates a harmonizing action

in the chest where this medicinal has an affinity. Owing to its acridity and

cold nature, Pleurisy Root circulated the qi in the chest, transforms phlegm and

clears heat, thus relieving pain and treating this condition very effectively.

This medicinal is also used for hot asthma with chest pain and/or difficult

breathing. This herb is effect for any type of heat in the chest but because of

its cold nature should be used with warming medicinals in extremely deficient

patients.

 

Resolves the exterior and expels wind for external wind-heat

invasion with sweating that is not complete, cough, fever, sore throat with a

floating and rapid pulse. Acridity outthrusts and cold clears heat. Pleurisy

Root is acrid and cold, it outthrusts wind and heat. This is a major way this

medicinal is used and when considering history of use of this medicinal this

occupies a significant portion of the literature.

 

Clears heat and cools the blood for fever with dry skin, a red

tongue and a rapid and replete pulse. When heat enters the blood at the blood

aspet there is serious illness and Pleurisy Root is an important medicinal for

this pattern. Pleurisy Root has a bitter flavor and is cold in nature. This

bitter/cold combination is essential for the treatment of heat at the blood

aspect. Furthermore, this medicinal is acrid in nature, which activates the qi

and quickens the blood secondarily. This secondary action is benefitial to the

in the over-all action of this medicinal as stasis and stagnation are common

confounding factors when heat enters the blood aspect. Her Also for skin rashes

where blood heat is part of the pattern.

 

Cautions: Pleurisy root is cold in nature and should be used with caution by

those with spleen qi vacuity or internal cold. Pleurisy Root should be avoided

during pregnancy.

 

Dosage and Preparation: 2-6g in strong infusion or decoction, 2.5-5ml in

tincture. The fresh plant tincture of Pleurisy Root is superior to the dry

preparation.

 

The root is gathered in the late fall to early spring

and either dried for tea or prepared fresh as a tincture. Good quality is

grayish-white and firm. It is quite fibrous, so if it is cut-and-sifted it will

have significant fibrous material included.

 

Major Combinations: Combine with American Ginseng and Sweet Flag (Acorus

calamus) for phlegm-heat in the lung. Change the dosages of the medicinals to

fit the clinical picture.

 

Combine with Lobelia for hot spasmodic cough with difficult expectoration.

 

Combine with Black Cohosh for acute rheumatic fever with arthritic pain that is

worsened on motion, abdominal pain and high fever.

 

Combine with Bugleweed for chest pain due to heat stagnation with or without

cough with blood streaked sputum.

 

 

 

 

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808-349-8219

 

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>

>

> On Behalf Of Thomas Avery

> Garran

> Sunday, October 09, 2005 5:12 PM

>

> Was Ling Zhi now lets have some fun

>

> Jason, Z'ev, et al.

>

> I agree that herbalism in the West as we know it today is quite young, but

> it still has built on its roots which are old. This primarily has to do

> with the use of plants and not so much the system. A disadvantage to be

> sure. Jason, I am surprised that you have studied that much Western

> herbalism and not found good clinical books. I have included sections from

> one 19th Century, one 21st Century, and one of my own monographs for your

> viewing. Enjoy! I look forward to your comments.

 

Thomas,

 

I wouldn't say that I studied as much Western herbalism as you, but I did a

fair bit a few years back... Now I just study CM. Thanks for the included

material... I will hopefully check them out this evening.

 

-

 

 

>

> From The Physio-medical Dispensatory: A Treaties on Therapeutics, Materia

> Medica, and Pharmacy, in Accordance with the Principles of Physiological

> Medication, By Wm. H. Cook, MD 1869. Asclepias tuberosa, Radix pg278-9:

> Properties and Uses.-- The root of this palnt is probably onof the most

> reliable and serviceable relaxing diaphoretics in the whole Materia

Medica.

> It diffuses itself with only moderate rapidity, but maintains its

> influence with considerable pertinacity. Its principal action is upon the

> sweat glands, at the same time arteries. It also exerts a decided

> impression upon the serous tissues, especially the pleurae and peritoneum;

> the mucous membranes of the lungs and and bowels are also influenced by

it;

> and tis general action gives a peculiar and valuable relief to actue

> arterial and nervous excitements.

> The Chief employment of this agent is in febrile and inflammatory

> affections, where the perspiration needs to be decidedly promoted, and

> excitement of the heart relieved by a full outward determination of blood.

> It secures a slow, steady, and free perspiration, at the same time

> suitably diminishing excessive heat of the surface; which action renders

> it highly serviceable in typhus, scarlet, bilious, puerperal, lung

> rheumatic, and other forms of fever, with a hot skin and rigid pulse.

> Measles and catarrhal fever may be added especially to this list; and so

> great is its service in pleurishy, that " pleurisy root: is one of the most

> popular of its names among the people. In acute dysentery, with fever and

> tormina, it secures that free circulaition to the surface which affordes

> great relief to the bowels; and in the acute stages of inflammation of the

> womb, bladder, and kidneys, it is of equal advantage. In all these cases

> it use is followed by not only an increased perspiration and

> softening of the plse; but the action of the kidneys becomes better, the

> mucous surgaces act more firmly and naturally, and the nervous system

> obtains a soothing impression that is very desireable.

> General as the action of this agent thus is, it is yet reather slow; and

> its influence is so void of stimulation, that the shysician will be

> diappointed if he look for sudden and powerful effets from it. Its

> persistency and mildness, together withit certianty, are what make it so

> useful. Most commonly it is combined with some diffusive and more prompt

> stimulant, especially with about one-fourth its own weight of ginger or

> polemonium. There is a peculiar insipidness about the taste of this

> asclepias, which is well covered by the giger. Ther fresh root has a

> rather mawkish, nauseating taste.

> This agent is not one that is to be chosen in the treatment of chronic

> cases; though its action on the sweat glands leads many to combine it with

> stimulants and tonics in leucorrhea, recent dropsies, and other cases

> where the skin is harsh and dry. It is not an article suitable for

> depressed conditions; and should not be used where there is already a

> tendency to toomuch perspiration, or where the pulse is small and feeble.

> In distinct typhoid cases, it should always be combined with a full

> por5tion of stimulants; and the same rule should be abserved in using it

> during the latter stages of pneeumonia, pleurisy, peritonitis, etc. If, in

> any of these cases, the surface becomes cold, the pulse weak, and signs of

> approaching effusion supervine, this asclepias should not be used at all.

> In like manner, it would be out of place in any malady presenting a

> similar condition of skin and pulse, with a tendency to suppuration of

> putrescence. (There's lots of other botany, pharmacy and

> combinations in the surrounding pages, but I'm tired.)

>

> From Medicinal Plants of the Moutain West, by Michael Moore 2003 pg 202:

> Medicinal Use: Ins ome part of eastern New Mexico this is also called

> Inmortal and is quite similar to that plant in nearly all respects except

> for a lack of pronounced cardiac effects. It is a stimulatn to the vagus

> nerve, producing perspiration, expectoration, bronchial dilation, and the

> like. As it name signifies, it is useful for pleurisy and mild pulmonary

> edema, increaseing fluid circulation, cilia function, and lymphatic

> drainage. An average does is a scant teaspoon of the chopped root, boiled

> in water, one or two cups drunk in a day, or one to three quirts of the

> tincture in hot water, to three times a day. Substantailly larger amount

> can cause nausea or vomiting. Pleurisy Root, as a gestalt, tends to

> stimulate skin and mucosal circulation, sebacious secretions, and sweat;

> therefore it can be used with great success in tonic formulas for both dry

> skin and hair, frequent nighttime urination, and generally

> poor adaptability to changes in heat and humidity. This all derives from

> our blody's tendency to balance everyday fluid mechanics and blood

> chemistry between the lungs, kineys, and skin. Pleurisy Root Shifts

> dominance to the lungs and skin and away from the kidneys. Folks with a

> pattern of adrenalin stress and blood sugar ups and downs often manifest

> dry skin and mucosa and somewhat compromised pulmonary function. Pleurisy

> Root acts as a tonic for this by shifting enery to the lungs and surface

> manbranes, i.e., strengthening weaknessess, a prper tonic effect.

>

> From A Clinical Guide to Using Western Herbs in , By

> (Yet unpublished, all right resevered.)

> Pleurisy Root

>

> Asclepias tuberosa

>

> Aslepiadaceae

>

> Other Names: Butterfly Weed, Wind Root

>

> Qi and Flavor: bitter, acrid, cold

>

> Channels entered: lung, large intestine

>

> Actions: expectorant, antitussive, diaphoretic, anticatarrhal

>

> Functions & Indications: Clears heat, diffuses the lung qi and transforms

> phlegm for lung-heat with symptoms of pain in the chest with fever and

> cough with no or difficult expectoration. Pleurisy Root has a bitter and

> acrid flavor and is cold in nature. Its bitter and acrid flavor, transform

> phlegm and drain the lung of repletion heat, while diffusing the lung qi.

> While its cold nature strongly clear heat. Together these flavors and

> nature combine to create an effective action in the treatment of

> transforming phlegm, clearing heat and assisting the lung qi in its

> depurating and diffusing action. This medicinal also resolves the exterior

> assisting the body to push out any pathogens that may have entered from

> the exterior.

>

> Circulates the qi of the chest, relieves pain and harmonizes

> the upper jiao. This herb is very effective for major chest bind (da jie

> xiong) caused by chronic heat and phlegm where the heat is predominate

> with a tight, rapid pulse. Pleurisy Root has an acrid and bitter flavor.

> Acridity outthrusts while bitter downbears. This combination of flavors

> creates a harmonizing action in the chest where this medicinal has an

> affinity. Owing to its acridity and cold nature, Pleurisy Root circulated

> the qi in the chest, transforms phlegm and clears heat, thus relieving

> pain and treating this condition very effectively. This medicinal is also

> used for hot asthma with chest pain and/or difficult breathing. This herb

> is effect for any type of heat in the chest but because of its cold nature

> should be used with warming medicinals in extremely deficient patients.

>

> Resolves the exterior and expels wind for external wind-heat

> invasion with sweating that is not complete, cough, fever, sore throat

> with a floating and rapid pulse. Acridity outthrusts and cold clears heat.

> Pleurisy Root is acrid and cold, it outthrusts wind and heat. This is a

> major way this medicinal is used and when considering history of use of

> this medicinal this occupies a significant portion of the literature.

>

> Clears heat and cools the blood for fever with dry skin, a red

> tongue and a rapid and replete pulse. When heat enters the blood at the

> blood aspet there is serious illness and Pleurisy Root is an important

> medicinal for this pattern. Pleurisy Root has a bitter flavor and is cold

> in nature. This bitter/cold combination is essential for the treatment of

> heat at the blood aspect. Furthermore, this medicinal is acrid in nature,

> which activates the qi and quickens the blood secondarily. This secondary

> action is benefitial to the in the over-all action of this medicinal as

> stasis and stagnation are common confounding factors when heat enters the

> blood aspect. Her Also for skin rashes where blood heat is part of the

> pattern.

>

> Cautions: Pleurisy root is cold in nature and should be used with caution

> by those with spleen qi vacuity or internal cold. Pleurisy Root should be

> avoided during pregnancy.

>

> Dosage and Preparation: 2-6g in strong infusion or decoction, 2.5-5ml in

> tincture. The fresh plant tincture of Pleurisy Root is superior to the dry

> preparation.

>

> The root is gathered in the late fall to early

> spring and either dried for tea or prepared fresh as a tincture. Good

> quality is grayish-white and firm. It is quite fibrous, so if it is cut-

> and-sifted it will have significant fibrous material included.

>

> Major Combinations: Combine with American Ginseng and Sweet Flag (Acorus

> calamus) for phlegm-heat in the lung. Change the dosages of the medicinals

> to fit the clinical picture.

>

> Combine with Lobelia for hot spasmodic cough with difficult expectoration.

>

> Combine with Black Cohosh for acute rheumatic fever with arthritic pain

> that is worsened on motion, abdominal pain and high fever.

>

> Combine with Bugleweed for chest pain due to heat stagnation with or

> without cough with blood streaked sputum.

>

>

>

>

> Professor of

> Honolulu, HI

> 808-349-8219

>

> www.herbsandmore.photostockplus.com

>

>

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>

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Also I asked a while back and did not hear from anyone, but do you have a

heavy metal detox protocol that you use, and do you incorporate Chinese

herbs into this...Just curious

>>>>>

Jason

 

100mg DMPS for three days every 11 days for six times

 

 

 

 

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There was a book out by Hakim Chishti that was a fair introduction,

forgot the title. Google it. The first volume of the Canon of

Medicine by Ibn Sina (Abicenna) was also translated some years back.

The best source on Greco-Arabic medicine are the several volumes of

medicine in English by Moses Maimonides, such as " Treatise on Asthma " .

 

 

On Oct 9, 2005, at 3:21 PM, Brandt Stickley wrote:

 

> Z'ev-

>

> Can you recommend any books on Unani/Tibb medicine (with or without

> parallels to

> ?)

>

>

> Thanks,

>

> Brandt