Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I do incorporate " Chinese " herbs as part of my heavy metal detox protocol, but note that with the seaweeds, I use **only** organically certified seaweeds from Maine that have been assayed for HM content (<1.0 ppm). The ones from China are unacceptably contaminated. The important ones are chlorella, cilantro, and various seaweeds. In addition to the standard TCM materia medica (the next release of our materia medica will incude 400+ herbs), I've included a new chapter grouping called " Expelling heavy metals " . Included are primary and secondary herbs (which may also be listed under other categories) that have various functions or assisting functions in supporting this process. Included herbs are ones like garlic: ** Chlorella ** Coriandri, Hb [yan/ sui-] Herbs whose 2ndary functions include to Expel heavy metals: *** Saposhnikoviae, Rx (=Ledebouriellae, Rx) [fang/ feng-] ** Allii Fistulosi, Bulbus [cong- bai/] ** Dolichoris, S [bian~ dou\] Phaseoli Radiati, S [lu\ dou\] ** Eckloniae seu Laminariae, Thallus [kun- bu\] ** Sargassi, Hb [hai/ zao~] * Allii Macrostemi, Bulbus [xie\ bai/] ** Curcumae Longae, Rz [jiang- huang/] ** Curcumae, Rx [yu\ jin-] ** Allii Sativa, Bulbus [da\ suan\] Sulphur [liu/ huang/] This information is included in our Self-Study Cours CD-ROM: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/tchs-cd/index.html ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org > " " >RE: Re: Was Ling Zhi now lets have some fun > >Roger, > >Thanx for the post, interesting... > >Also I asked a while back and did not hear from anyone, but do you have a >heavy metal detox protocol that you use, and do you incorporate Chinese >herbs into this...Just curious, > >Thanx again, > >-Jason ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 The important ones are chlorella, cilantro, and various seaweeds. >>>>>> Roger Can you show me one descent study which shows these to do anything with heavy metal detox. thanks Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I forgot to add in my previous post that included our course is a discusssion of why I believe many of the various pharmaceutical drugs like DMPS are inferior (with detailed listing of likely side effects) to a tailored herbal and dietary approach for expelling heavy metals. I've talked with a number of naturopaths and MDs who have had experience with both methods, and the general concensus is that if patients will adhere to the dietary protocols over a period of many months, this is not only safer but more effective. Of course not everyone has the self-discipline, and for these people the pharmaceutcals are an option. --- I do incorporate " Chinese " herbs as part of my heavy metal detox protocol, but note that with the seaweeds, I use **only** organically certified seaweeds from Maine that have been assayed for HM content (<1.0 ppm). The ones from China are unacceptably contaminated. The important ones are chlorella, cilantro, and various seaweeds. In addition to the standard TCM materia medica (the next release of our materia medica will incude 400+ herbs), I've included a new chapter grouping called " Expelling heavy metals " . Included are primary and secondary herbs (which may also be listed under other categories) that have various functions or assisting functions in supporting this process. Included herbs are ones like garlic: ** Chlorella ** Coriandri, Hb [yan/ sui-] Herbs whose 2ndary functions include to Expel heavy metals: *** Saposhnikoviae, Rx (=Ledebouriellae, Rx) [fang/ feng-] ** Allii Fistulosi, Bulbus [cong- bai/] ** Dolichoris, S [bian~ dou\] Phaseoli Radiati, S [lu\ dou\] ** Eckloniae seu Laminariae, Thallus [kun- bu\] ** Sargassi, Hb [hai/ zao~] * Allii Macrostemi, Bulbus [xie\ bai/] ** Curcumae Longae, Rz [jiang- huang/] ** Curcumae, Rx [yu\ jin-] ** Allii Sativa, Bulbus [da\ suan\] Sulphur [liu/ huang/] This information is included in our Self-Study Cours CD-ROM: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/tchs-cd/index.html ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org > " " >RE: Re: Was Ling Zhi now lets have some fun > >Roger, > >Thanx for the post, interesting... > >Also I asked a while back and did not hear from anyone, but do you have a >heavy metal detox protocol that you use, and do you incorporate Chinese >herbs into this...Just curious, > >Thanx again, > >-Jason ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 I forgot to add in my previous post that included our course is a discusssion of why I believe many of the various pharmaceutical drugs like DMPS are inferior (with detailed listing of likely side effects) to a tailored herbal and dietary approach for expelling heavy metals. I've talked with a number of naturopaths and MDs who have had experience with both methods, and the general concensus is that if patients will adhere to the dietary protocols over a period of many months, this is not only safer but more effective. Of course not everyone has the self-discipline, and for these people the pharmaceutcals are an option. >>>>>> Roger Not according to doctor's data, on the other hand most heavy metals become inert when combined with selenium. Dr Saputo that i work with thinks like you, ie he only dietary intervention (with supplements). He does not believe there is much evidence for sea weeds or celantro (and again at the same time he tells his patients to have a big egg omelet with lots of garlic and celantro every morning). I have not seen great reductions in his patients. I have seen, at least on lab testing, dramatic reduction with DMPS. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 Jason By the way you may want to look at Andy Cutler PhD work on heavy metal detox. I believe he did a fairly extensive and critical review of heavy metal detox. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Here are some articles with references that discuss the use of DMPS, DMSA, and chlorella: http://www.mercola.com/2001/jun/2/mercury_autism.htm Mercury Detox Autism Protocol - Part 1 http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination2.htm Mercury Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents [ref. list] http://purehealthsystems.com/ndf-moreinfo.html NDF - (Nanocolloidal Detox Factors) Mercola himself recommends the use of both DMPS and dietary factors like chlorella, cilantro, garlic, and others. All of these agents (drugs, herbs, foods) are undergoing a process of evolution in understanding how they work and interact with each other. Mercola points out that although he uses DMPS in his own protocol, that many practitioners have used it without understanding its potential side effects and have done more damage. If the mercury is released too fast, it can aggravate systemic toxicity and even be redeposited in the CNS where it is more difficult to remove. Most of the doctors I know who use it successsfully also recommend dietary agents like chlorella, cilantro, eggs, garlic, etc. simultaneously in order to minimize the side effects, promote more complete mercury excretion, and avoid redeposition in body tissues. The last web reference above, while from a commercial website, explains why unprocessed chlorella may have been ineffective. Many early studies utilized chlorella that was not cell-wall-broken (which greatly increases the number of available heavy-metal binding sites); additionally, the chlorella needs to be grown in a pure environment, otherwise it becomes easily contaminated with heavy metals and is ineffective for that reason. Most of my observations come from about 7 years of trial on myself and clients. My own " proof " comes from the fact that these clients did not respond symptom-wise with ordinary Chinese formulas and diet until I began the protocol. Relief of chronic symptoms after a period of detox was what convinced me. Several were chronically Deficient - Qi, Blood, and Yin Defiencies, and did not begin to recover until after this type of dietary protocol was tried. I don't intend to wait for scientists to agree on this subject to use this. Until the toxicity and side effects of DMPS are better understood, although it does seem to remove mercury faster than anything else, I consider it to be a riskier method and do not recommend it unless the physician using it has many years experience with its problems and has knowledge of how to control these problems with diet, herbs, and supplements. Many of the chelation clinics I hear of use a one-size-fits-all protocol and do not even inform patients of the potential side effects or the need to tailor diet during the detox process. Another problem with clinical studies is that, for reasons of statistical simplicity, they tend to focus on single agents in a one-size-fits-all protocol. In my own experience, this is not likely to work for most people, who need a diet individually tailored to their whole situation. Why should this be any surprise to TCM herbalists? Mercury is the trickiest heavy metal to deal with. Lead and arsenic toxicity are much more straightforward, and I've had a few cases of the latter. However, the problem is that mercury contamination is also probably the most serious problem due to the ubiquitous use of amalgam fillings and its use in the form of thimerosal as a preservative in vaccines. In the meantime, the diet-herbs-only method may be slower, but I am convinced it is also effective. If you continue to be sceptical until there is scientific concensus, that's your privilege. If Chinese herbalists had all waited until " scientific proof " had arrived for the use of herbs in the Chinese materia medica, where would we all be now? Roger > " " <alonmarcus >Re: Re: heavy metal protocol > >The important ones are chlorella, cilantro, and various seaweeds. >>>>>>> >Roger >Can you show me one descent study which shows these to do anything with >heavy metal detox. >thanks > > > > >Oakland, CA 94609 > > > ---Roger Wicke, PhD, TCM Clinical Herbalist contact: www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/ Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute, Hot Springs, Montana USA Clinical herbology training programs - www.rmhiherbal.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2005 Report Share Posted October 11, 2005 Other areas of disagreement are in the negative recommendation for chlorella. Their information on chlorella is seriously flawed. It is based on a small study done by Doctor's Data. They never demonstrated increased absorption of mercury from the chlorella, only that mercury was present in the chlorella. Since hundreds of tons of mercury are deposited into the oceans every year, this is not surprising. >>>>>> Roger I believe doctors data also has a study on patients treated with Chlorella. Also i wander where he gets the information that " It only ABSORBS mercury it does NOT release it into the body. " By the way some say that MCP is a good and safe chelator. Oakland, CA 94609 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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