SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

[Guest guest]

Hi Bob,

You got it right that people are interested in hidden or deep-lying evils.

I am thinbking in particular of the great affliction of our times

(staggering statistics) Genital Herpes. It sounds as thouhg this approach

would make total sense - since the attacks usually occur when people are

under the fire of stress. - so to strengthen SP and KI and QI and then to

use the other three ingredients

did you run with it?

I wonder about the sweating part

It is said that something like the infra red sauna would benefit the

elimination of a virus

or might this sweating refer to the sweating from exertion (different thing

altogether)

 

Any experiental light you can shed on Genital Herpes much appreciated.

 

thank you for your response and best wishes to you

 

One day I'll come on a little trip to Mexico...........

Verena

 

 

 

-

" Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001

 

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:58 PM

SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

>I know some people on this list are interested in the concept of

> hidden or deep-lying evils in relationship to chronic infectious( read

> viral) diseases. So, in issue #9, 2005 of Zhong Yi Yan Jiu (Chinese

> Medical Research), the lead article is titled exactly that: " On the

> Treatment of Chronic Infectious Diseases Based on the Theory of Hidden

> Evils. " However, before anyone gets too excited, there isn't a whole

> lot new here. The author (born in 1972) goes over the origins of the

> theory in the Nei Jing, Shang Han Lun, Nan Jing, and Wen Re Jing Shu.

> Nothing new there. He then talks about the importance of strengthening

> the body's righteous qi, meaning, practically speaking, the spleen and

> kidneys. The last section of the article, however, is on dispelling

> evils from the mo yuan or membrane source. In this case, he says it is

> prohibited to either sweat or precipitate. Instead, one should

> out-thrust the heat of damp warmth, open damp warm depression, and

> effuse damp warmth from the exterior, and, to do exactly this, he

> recommends three medicinals originally recommended by Wu You-ke: Bing

> Lang, Hou Po, and Cao Guo. These three ingredients are found in Master

> Wu's Da Yuan Yin (Reach/Extend the Membrane Beverage), Wiseman and

> Feng's Open the Source Membrane Beverage) typically indicated for half

> inside-half outside condition. Viz. Bensky & Barolet, p. 142-143. The

> author quotes Master Wu's explanation of his formula. In this

> explanation, Master Wu says that Bing Lang and Cao Guo " eliminate

> hidden evils. " In the author's conclusion, he suggests that, in

> attempting to treat chronic infectious diseases, one should try using

> meds which supplement and boost the spleen, kidneys, essence, and qi

> on top of which one can add the above three meds. Unfortunately, this

> young doctor does not give any case histories showing that this

> approach works, nor is this theoretical discussion part of an RCT.

> Nevertheless, someone thought enough of the article to make it the

> lead article in the issue.

>

> Anyone want to run with this?

>

> Bob

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including

> board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a

> free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Verena

With genital herpes I don't waste my time using herbs etc

Flower essences work more effectively to knock out the virus and make it go

away,

Heiko Lade

M.H.Sc.(TCM)

Lecturer and clinic supervisor

Auckland College of Natural Medicine

Website: www.acnm.co.nz

 

 

 

-

Verena Smith

Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:50 PM

Re: SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

Hi Bob,

You got it right that people are interested in hidden or deep-lying evils.

I am thinbking in particular of the great affliction of our times

(staggering statistics) Genital Herpes. It sounds as thouhg this approach

would make total sense - since the attacks usually occur when people are

under the fire of stress. - so to strengthen SP and KI and QI and then to

use the other three ingredients

did you run with it?

I wonder about the sweating part

It is said that something like the infra red sauna would benefit the

elimination of a virus

or might this sweating refer to the sweating from exertion (different thing

altogether)

 

Any experiental light you can shed on Genital Herpes much appreciated.

 

thank you for your response and best wishes to you

 

One day I'll come on a little trip to Mexico...........

Verena

 

 

 

-

" Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:58 PM

SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

>I know some people on this list are interested in the concept of

> hidden or deep-lying evils in relationship to chronic infectious( read

> viral) diseases. So, in issue #9, 2005 of Zhong Yi Yan Jiu (Chinese

> Medical Research), the lead article is titled exactly that: " On the

> Treatment of Chronic Infectious Diseases Based on the Theory of Hidden

> Evils. " However, before anyone gets too excited, there isn't a whole

> lot new here. The author (born in 1972) goes over the origins of the

> theory in the Nei Jing, Shang Han Lun, Nan Jing, and Wen Re Jing Shu.

> Nothing new there. He then talks about the importance of strengthening

> the body's righteous qi, meaning, practically speaking, the spleen and

> kidneys. The last section of the article, however, is on dispelling

> evils from the mo yuan or membrane source. In this case, he says it is

> prohibited to either sweat or precipitate. Instead, one should

> out-thrust the heat of damp warmth, open damp warm depression, and

> effuse damp warmth from the exterior, and, to do exactly this, he

> recommends three medicinals originally recommended by Wu You-ke: Bing

> Lang, Hou Po, and Cao Guo. These three ingredients are found in Master

> Wu's Da Yuan Yin (Reach/Extend the Membrane Beverage), Wiseman and

> Feng's Open the Source Membrane Beverage) typically indicated for half

> inside-half outside condition. Viz. Bensky & Barolet, p. 142-143. The

> author quotes Master Wu's explanation of his formula. In this

> explanation, Master Wu says that Bing Lang and Cao Guo " eliminate

> hidden evils. " In the author's conclusion, he suggests that, in

> attempting to treat chronic infectious diseases, one should try using

> meds which supplement and boost the spleen, kidneys, essence, and qi

> on top of which one can add the above three meds. Unfortunately, this

> young doctor does not give any case histories showing that this

> approach works, nor is this theoretical discussion part of an RCT.

> Nevertheless, someone thought enough of the article to make it the

> lead article in the issue.

>

> Anyone want to run with this?

>

> Bob

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including

> board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a

> free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

, " Verena Smith "

<verena@g...> wrote:

> You got it right that people are interested in hidden or deep-lying

evils.

> I am thinbking in particular of the great affliction of our times

> (staggering statistics) Genital Herpes.

 

Verena,

 

You might take a look at the genital herpes section of my Symposium

packet. I'll upload the file to the CHA site as 1 Eric Symposium.

 

This file is a 50 page handbook on a few common gynecological

diseases. Actually, it is just the handout materials from my

afternoon lecture at the most recent Pacific Symposium.

 

The main goal of the file is to point out the pathomechanisms and

treatments of a few common biomedical GYN diseases with their

corresponding traditional CM diseases. The diseases selected are

uterine fibroids, endometriosis, and genital herpes. The (most

common) associated TCM diseases for these modern conditions are

profuse menstruation, flooding and spotting, concretions and

conglomerations, painful menstruation, and yin sores. The

pathomechanisms, disease-based, and pattern-based treatments for all

of these conditions are discussed. The main goal is to encourage

practitioners to use pathomechanisms and traditional diseases to

assess " new " conditions that were unknown or unclear to Chinese

medicine historically.

 

Of particular interest in the genital herpes section is a brief

exploration of when sexually transmitted diseases became apparent in

CM. As far as I can tell, the earliest strong evidence for knowledge

of sexual transmission didn't come around till the Southern Song

Dynasty, becoming very clear by the Ming Dynasty with the spread of

syphilis. If others know more about this, please let me know.

 

In terms of treatments for genital herpes, there are a number

treatments based around both " disease identification as the basis for

determining treatment " (bian bing lun zhi) and " pattern identification

as the basis for determining treatment " (bian zheng lun zhi). Perhaps

you'll find it interesting.

 

The material is all taken directly (by translation) from mainstream

TCM gynecology and integrative medical textbooks.

 

Eric

[Guest guest]

Heiko-

 

Which flower essences, and how do you use them?

 

Acupuncture and Chinese Herbal Medicine

753 N. Main Street, Suite C-1

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

Heiko Lade <heikolade.acnm wrote:

Verena

With genital herpes I don't waste my time using herbs etc

Flower essences work more effectively to knock out the virus and make it go

away,

Heiko Lade

M.H.Sc.(TCM)

Lecturer and clinic supervisor

Auckland College of Natural Medicine

Website: www.acnm.co.nz

 

 

 

-

Verena Smith

Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:50 PM

Re: SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

Hi Bob,

You got it right that people are interested in hidden or deep-lying evils.

I am thinbking in particular of the great affliction of our times

(staggering statistics) Genital Herpes. It sounds as thouhg this approach

would make total sense - since the attacks usually occur when people are

under the fire of stress. - so to strengthen SP and KI and QI and then to

use the other three ingredients

did you run with it?

I wonder about the sweating part

It is said that something like the infra red sauna would benefit the

elimination of a virus

or might this sweating refer to the sweating from exertion (different thing

altogether)

 

Any experiental light you can shed on Genital Herpes much appreciated.

 

thank you for your response and best wishes to you

 

One day I'll come on a little trip to Mexico...........

Verena

 

 

 

-

" Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:58 PM

SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

>I know some people on this list are interested in the concept of

> hidden or deep-lying evils in relationship to chronic infectious( read

> viral) diseases. So, in issue #9, 2005 of Zhong Yi Yan Jiu (Chinese

> Medical Research), the lead article is titled exactly that: " On the

> Treatment of Chronic Infectious Diseases Based on the Theory of Hidden

> Evils. " However, before anyone gets too excited, there isn't a whole

> lot new here. The author (born in 1972) goes over the origins of the

> theory in the Nei Jing, Shang Han Lun, Nan Jing, and Wen Re Jing Shu.

> Nothing new there. He then talks about the importance of strengthening

> the body's righteous qi, meaning, practically speaking, the spleen and

> kidneys. The last section of the article, however, is on dispelling

> evils from the mo yuan or membrane source. In this case, he says it is

> prohibited to either sweat or precipitate. Instead, one should

> out-thrust the heat of damp warmth, open damp warm depression, and

> effuse damp warmth from the exterior, and, to do exactly this, he

> recommends three medicinals originally recommended by Wu You-ke: Bing

> Lang, Hou Po, and Cao Guo. These three ingredients are found in Master

> Wu's Da Yuan Yin (Reach/Extend the Membrane Beverage), Wiseman and

> Feng's Open the Source Membrane Beverage) typically indicated for half

> inside-half outside condition. Viz. Bensky & Barolet, p. 142-143. The

> author quotes Master Wu's explanation of his formula. In this

> explanation, Master Wu says that Bing Lang and Cao Guo " eliminate

> hidden evils. " In the author's conclusion, he suggests that, in

> attempting to treat chronic infectious diseases, one should try using

> meds which supplement and boost the spleen, kidneys, essence, and qi

> on top of which one can add the above three meds. Unfortunately, this

> young doctor does not give any case histories showing that this

> approach works, nor is this theoretical discussion part of an RCT.

> Nevertheless, someone thought enough of the article to make it the

> lead article in the issue.

>

> Anyone want to run with this?

>

> Bob

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including

> board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a

> free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Verena

Flowewr essences: as its off TCM topics , can you email me at home and I will

respond

 

heiko

 

Heiko Lade

M.H.Sc.(TCM)

Lecturer and clinic supervisor

Auckland College of Natural Medicine

Website: www.acnm.co.nz

 

 

 

-

Friday, November 11, 2005 6:34 PM

Re: SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

Heiko-

 

Which flower essences, and how do you use them?

 

Acupuncture and Chinese Herbal Medicine

753 N. Main Street, Suite C-1

Cottonwood, AZ 86326

(928) 274-1373

 

Heiko Lade <heikolade.acnm wrote:

Verena

With genital herpes I don't waste my time using herbs etc

Flower essences work more effectively to knock out the virus and make it go

away,

Heiko Lade

M.H.Sc.(TCM)

Lecturer and clinic supervisor

Auckland College of Natural Medicine

Website: www.acnm.co.nz

 

 

 

-

Verena Smith

Thursday, November 10, 2005 12:50 PM

Re: SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

Hi Bob,

You got it right that people are interested in hidden or deep-lying evils.

I am thinbking in particular of the great affliction of our times

(staggering statistics) Genital Herpes. It sounds as thouhg this approach

would make total sense - since the attacks usually occur when people are

under the fire of stress. - so to strengthen SP and KI and QI and then to

use the other three ingredients

did you run with it?

I wonder about the sweating part

It is said that something like the infra red sauna would benefit the

elimination of a virus

or might this sweating refer to the sweating from exertion (different thing

altogether)

 

Any experiental light you can shed on Genital Herpes much appreciated.

 

thank you for your response and best wishes to you

 

One day I'll come on a little trip to Mexico...........

Verena

 

 

 

-

" Bob Flaws " <pemachophel2001

Wednesday, November 09, 2005 2:58 PM

SPAM-LOW: Hidden Evils & Chronic Infectious Diseases

 

 

>I know some people on this list are interested in the concept of

> hidden or deep-lying evils in relationship to chronic infectious( read

> viral) diseases. So, in issue #9, 2005 of Zhong Yi Yan Jiu (Chinese

> Medical Research), the lead article is titled exactly that: " On the

> Treatment of Chronic Infectious Diseases Based on the Theory of Hidden

> Evils. " However, before anyone gets too excited, there isn't a whole

> lot new here. The author (born in 1972) goes over the origins of the

> theory in the Nei Jing, Shang Han Lun, Nan Jing, and Wen Re Jing Shu.

> Nothing new there. He then talks about the importance of strengthening

> the body's righteous qi, meaning, practically speaking, the spleen and

> kidneys. The last section of the article, however, is on dispelling

> evils from the mo yuan or membrane source. In this case, he says it is

> prohibited to either sweat or precipitate. Instead, one should

> out-thrust the heat of damp warmth, open damp warm depression, and

> effuse damp warmth from the exterior, and, to do exactly this, he

> recommends three medicinals originally recommended by Wu You-ke: Bing

> Lang, Hou Po, and Cao Guo. These three ingredients are found in Master

> Wu's Da Yuan Yin (Reach/Extend the Membrane Beverage), Wiseman and

> Feng's Open the Source Membrane Beverage) typically indicated for half

> inside-half outside condition. Viz. Bensky & Barolet, p. 142-143. The

> author quotes Master Wu's explanation of his formula. In this

> explanation, Master Wu says that Bing Lang and Cao Guo " eliminate

> hidden evils. " In the author's conclusion, he suggests that, in

> attempting to treat chronic infectious diseases, one should try using

> meds which supplement and boost the spleen, kidneys, essence, and qi

> on top of which one can add the above three meds. Unfortunately, this

> young doctor does not give any case histories showing that this

> approach works, nor is this theoretical discussion part of an RCT.

> Nevertheless, someone thought enough of the article to make it the

> lead article in the issue.

>

> Anyone want to run with this?

>

> Bob

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including

> board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a

> free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

>

>

>