pathogens, latent pathogens and tonification

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Hi All-

 

Is it true that if a person has a pathogen, acute or latent, and they take

tonifying herbs, they will, in effect, be tonifying the pathogen? I had heard

this from several teachers when I was a student, and now I am thinking this

through. I know there are formulas that tonify a deficient patient in order to

permit them to vent the pathogen. But is it possible that tonification herbs

can also strengthen a pathogen? Any thoughts on this?

 

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[Guest guest]

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> On Behalf Of Andrea Beth

> Damsky

> Friday, November 25, 2005 8:14 AM

> Chinese Herbal Medicine

> pathogens, latent pathogens and tonification

>

> Hi All-

>

> Is it true that if a person has a pathogen, acute or latent, and they

> take tonifying herbs, they will, in effect, be tonifying the pathogen? I

> had heard this from several teachers when I was a student, and now I am

> thinking this through. I know there are formulas that tonify a deficient

> patient in order to permit them to vent the pathogen. But is it possible

> that tonification herbs can also strengthen a pathogen? Any thoughts on

> this?

 

 

There is of course no one answer here, because each case must be evaluated

on its own. But you are right, there are many times where supplementing is

100% necessary to vent the pathogen out. But clearly one can 'strengthen

the pathogen' by giving supplementing herbs inappropriately via contributing

to phlegm , qi or blood stagnation etc... Basic Dx skills must be applied

and evaluating excess and deficiency, interior and exterior, and heat and

cold are paramount. If one does this correctly, there is little fear.

 

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[Guest guest]

Thanks, Jason.

 

I had thought about further increasing cold and heat as a possible problem,

but had overlooked the stagnation angle. This isuseful!

 

 

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>

>

> On Behalf Of Andrea Beth

> Damsky

> Friday, November 25, 2005 8:14 AM

> Chinese Herbal Medicine

> pathogens, latent pathogens and tonification

>

> Hi All-

>

> Is it true that if a person has a pathogen, acute or latent, and they

> take tonifying herbs, they will, in effect, be tonifying the pathogen? I

> had heard this from several teachers when I was a student, and now I am

> thinking this through. I know there are formulas that tonify a deficient

> patient in order to permit them to vent the pathogen. But is it possible

> that tonification herbs can also strengthen a pathogen? Any thoughts on

> this?

 

 

There is of course no one answer here, because each case must be evaluated

on its own. But you are right, there are many times where supplementing is

100% necessary to vent the pathogen out. But clearly one can 'strengthen

the pathogen' by giving supplementing herbs inappropriately via contributing

to phlegm , qi or blood stagnation etc... Basic Dx skills must be applied

and evaluating excess and deficiency, interior and exterior, and heat and

cold are paramount. If one does this correctly, there is little fear.

 

-

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I have experienced this myself, and students or patients have also reported

the effect. After feeling fatigued, a dose of ginseng is taken. Very

shortly, severe symptoms of an external pathogenic attack become evident.

All the more reason for checking for a floating pulse when fatigue is a

symptom! Once exterior-releasing herbs are taken, the symptoms very quickly

begin to improve.

 

 

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> Is it true that if a person has a pathogen, acute or latent, and they

> take tonifying herbs, they will, in effect, be tonifying the pathogen? I

> had heard this from several teachers when I was a student, and now I am

> thinking this through. I know there are formulas that tonify a deficient

> patient in order to permit them to vent the pathogen. But is it possible

> that tonification herbs can also strengthen a pathogen? Any thoughts on

> this?>>>>>>>>>