Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Hi Jason, I too have had a couple of patients in this situation. My most recent, an elderly man in poor health, had shingles last June, on the right side of his head above and behind the ear and down the SCM towards the clavicle. He is scarred and has burning, stinging pain that is almost constant, with muscle spasms along the path that the shingles traveled. Acupuncture has brought him minor and temporary relief. In the last few days, we have tried alternative things - a homeopathic remedy called apis mellifica, used for burning and stinging pain of active shingles rash. We are also trying Rescue Remedy. Today was the first time I saw him in several weeks, that he didn't look haggard and raw from the pain. He is sleeping better and appears more calm. I don't know what further use will yield, but so far I am encouraged. Has anyone else seen post-herpetic pain so severe that it causes visible contractions of the muscles beneath the affected skin? What causes that, and what relieves it? wrote: Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. Ross Ralph Dr.TCM - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM post-herpetic neuralgia Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Try " Yin Care " , topical compress about 20min You can get from Crane Herbs Christine --- < wrote: > Hi Jason, > > I too have had a couple of patients in this > situation. My most recent, an elderly man in poor > health, had shingles last June, on the right side of > his head above and behind the ear and down the SCM > towards the clavicle. He is scarred and has > burning, stinging pain that is almost constant, with > muscle spasms along the path that the shingles > traveled. Acupuncture has brought him minor and > temporary relief. In the last few days, we have > tried alternative things - a homeopathic remedy > called apis mellifica, used for burning and stinging > pain of active shingles rash. We are also trying > Rescue Remedy. Today was the first time I saw him > in several weeks, that he didn't look haggard and > raw from the pain. He is sleeping better and > appears more calm. I don't know what further use > will yield, but so far I am encouraged. > > Has anyone else seen post-herpetic pain so severe > that it causes visible contractions of the muscles > beneath the affected skin? What causes that, and > what relieves it? > > > > > wrote: > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant > pain after herpes zoster > (Shingles)? > > > > -Jason > > > > > <Chinese Medicine> , > M.S., L.Ac. > > tel: > > > > > > > > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> > Add me > to your address book... > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional > services, including board approved continuing > education classes, an annual conference and a free > discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 I have treated this successfully by using a plum blossom needle on the area till there is slight bleeding, then cupping the area to draw out more blood. Sometimes I will moxa the area after I have used the plum blossom. It has worked well to take away the burning pain quickly. People often then have a more dull diffuse pain left over which is much more tolerable and resolves in a variable time frame. Sean _____ On Behalf Of Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 AM Re: post-herpetic neuralgia Hi Jason, I too have had a couple of patients in this situation. My most recent, an elderly man in poor health, had shingles last June, on the right side of his head above and behind the ear and down the SCM towards the clavicle. He is scarred and has burning, stinging pain that is almost constant, with muscle spasms along the path that the shingles traveled. Acupuncture has brought him minor and temporary relief. In the last few days, we have tried alternative things - a homeopathic remedy called apis mellifica, used for burning and stinging pain of active shingles rash. We are also trying Rescue Remedy. Today was the first time I saw him in several weeks, that he didn't look haggard and raw from the pain. He is sleeping better and appears more calm. I don't know what further use will yield, but so far I am encouraged. Has anyone else seen post-herpetic pain so severe that it causes visible contractions of the muscles beneath the affected skin? What causes that, and what relieves it? wrote: Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In addition to the plum blossom it can be helpful to deeply needle the hua tuo points of the affected rib segments, also needle above and below. Michael - Sean Doherty Wednesday, December 14, 2005 8:39 AM RE: post-herpetic neuralgia I have treated this successfully by using a plum blossom needle on the area till there is slight bleeding, then cupping the area to draw out more blood. Sometimes I will moxa the area after I have used the plum blossom. It has worked well to take away the burning pain quickly. People often then have a more dull diffuse pain left over which is much more tolerable and resolves in a variable time frame. Sean _____ On Behalf Of Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 AM Re: post-herpetic neuralgia Hi Jason, I too have had a couple of patients in this situation. My most recent, an elderly man in poor health, had shingles last June, on the right side of his head above and behind the ear and down the SCM towards the clavicle. He is scarred and has burning, stinging pain that is almost constant, with muscle spasms along the path that the shingles traveled. Acupuncture has brought him minor and temporary relief. In the last few days, we have tried alternative things - a homeopathic remedy called apis mellifica, used for burning and stinging pain of active shingles rash. We are also trying Rescue Remedy. Today was the first time I saw him in several weeks, that he didn't look haggard and raw from the pain. He is sleeping better and appears more calm. I don't know what further use will yield, but so far I am encouraged. Has anyone else seen post-herpetic pain so severe that it causes visible contractions of the muscles beneath the affected skin? What causes that, and what relieves it? wrote: Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Ross, Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. Ross Ralph Dr.TCM - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM post-herpetic neuralgia Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 I have treated this successfully by using a plum blossom needle on the area till there is slight bleeding, >>>>> On post herpetic neuralgia? i do not know who your patients are but my patients would not let me do it. I have used a local anastetic and have bled congested vessels in the past with some success.Always conceder Fu Zi if patient looks cold even with burring pain. Oakland, CA 94609 - Sean Doherty Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:39 AM RE: post-herpetic neuralgia I have treated this successfully by using a plum blossom needle on the area till there is slight bleeding, then cupping the area to draw out more blood. Sometimes I will moxa the area after I have used the plum blossom. It has worked well to take away the burning pain quickly. People often then have a more dull diffuse pain left over which is much more tolerable and resolves in a variable time frame. Sean _____ On Behalf Of Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 AM Re: post-herpetic neuralgia Hi Jason, I too have had a couple of patients in this situation. My most recent, an elderly man in poor health, had shingles last June, on the right side of his head above and behind the ear and down the SCM towards the clavicle. He is scarred and has burning, stinging pain that is almost constant, with muscle spasms along the path that the shingles traveled. Acupuncture has brought him minor and temporary relief. In the last few days, we have tried alternative things - a homeopathic remedy called apis mellifica, used for burning and stinging pain of active shingles rash. We are also trying Rescue Remedy. Today was the first time I saw him in several weeks, that he didn't look haggard and raw from the pain. He is sleeping better and appears more calm. I don't know what further use will yield, but so far I am encouraged. Has anyone else seen post-herpetic pain so severe that it causes visible contractions of the muscles beneath the affected skin? What causes that, and what relieves it? wrote: Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 This reminds me of Dr So¹s tx of shingles, using lit bull rush ( deng xin cao) on the periphery of the lesions. Does anyone out there remember this? Cara > Ross, > > Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? > > > > Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: > treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. > herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. > Ross Ralph Dr.TCM > - > > > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM > post-herpetic neuralgia > > > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster > (Shingles)? > > > > -Jason > > > > > <Chinese Medicine> > > tel: > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 You can try, slowly circle the moxa stick from centre out as the area get hot. If the patient report relief in pain continue with treatment. Ross Ralph Dr.TCM - Wednesday, December 14, 2005 7:39 AM Re: post-herpetic neuralgia Ross, Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. Ross Ralph Dr.TCM - Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM post-herpetic neuralgia Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster (Shingles)? -Jason <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 I am currently treating a patient with a similar condition. He first came referred from his acupuncturist (who doesn't practice herbology) as he said the acupuncture had made it worse. I diagnosed him with severe chronic liver qi stagnation, his MD suggestd he was clinically depressed. Just looking at him you could see how depressed he was. He had been in a very stressful job for years and was on stress leave. Although his tongue showed more signs of spleen def. For the first day on the first batch of herbs, the pain was worse, then it continued to improve, lessening and only bothering him in the evening. I kept adjusting the formulas. Now he is on modified chai hu shu gan tang. He mostly forgets the pain now as it has almost diminished dramatically in intensity, except that it has moved further down. He thinks it might be in the intestine. Marjorie Quoting <alonmarcus: > I have treated this successfully by using a plum blossom needle on the area > till there is slight bleeding, > >>>>> > On post herpetic neuralgia? i do not know who your patients are but my > patients would not let me do it. I have used a local anastetic and have bled > congested vessels in the past with some success.Always conceder Fu Zi if > patient looks cold even with burring pain. > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > Sean Doherty > > Wednesday, December 14, 2005 5:39 AM > RE: post-herpetic neuralgia > > > I have treated this successfully by using a plum blossom needle on the > area > till there is slight bleeding, then cupping the area to draw out more > blood. > Sometimes I will moxa the area after I have used the plum blossom. It has > worked well to take away the burning pain quickly. People often then have > a > more dull diffuse pain left over which is much more tolerable and resolves > in a variable time frame. > > > > Sean > > > > _____ > > > On Behalf Of Andrea Beth > Damsky > Wednesday, December 14, 2005 12:55 AM > > Re: post-herpetic neuralgia > > > > Hi Jason, > > I too have had a couple of patients in this situation. My most recent, > an > elderly man in poor health, had shingles last June, on the right side of > his > head above and behind the ear and down the SCM towards the clavicle. He > is > scarred and has burning, stinging pain that is almost constant, with > muscle > spasms along the path that the shingles traveled. Acupuncture has brought > him minor and temporary relief. In the last few days, we have tried > alternative things - a homeopathic remedy called apis mellifica, used for > burning and stinging pain of active shingles rash. We are also trying > Rescue Remedy. Today was the first time I saw him in several weeks, that > he > didn't look haggard and raw from the pain. He is sleeping better and > appears more calm. I don't know what further use will yield, but so far I > am encouraged. > > Has anyone else seen post-herpetic pain so severe that it causes visible > contractions of the muscles beneath the affected skin? What causes that, > and what relieves it? > > > > wrote: > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster > (Shingles)? > > > > -Jason > > > > > <Chinese Medicine> > > tel: > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> > & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 <<On post herpetic neuralgia? i do not know who your patients are but my patients would not let me do it. I have used a local anastetic and have bled congested vessels in the past with some success.Always conceder Fu Zi if patient looks cold even with burring pain.>> It wasn't pleasant, but not intolerable. Maybe you are right and the patients I have seen have not had as severe a case, hard to judge. All I know is that it worked out well for them. Although, only one person that I treated was over 70 years old and I know the likelihood of developing PHN increases to where some 70-75% of people will develop it in this age group, with an often concomitant increase in severity. Sean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Cara, I've seen this done as well. The method, as I recall, was to light the end of the deng xin cao piece and then extinguish it on the skin near the lesion. -Matt Cara Frank <herbbabe wrote: This reminds me of Dr So¹s tx of shingles, using lit bull rush ( deng xin cao) on the periphery of the lesions. Does anyone out there remember this? Cara > Ross, > > Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? > > > > Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: > treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. > herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. > Ross Ralph Dr.TCM > - > > > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM > post-herpetic neuralgia > > > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster > (Shingles)? > > > > -Jason > > > > > <Chinese Medicine> > > tel: > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 This method as taught to me involves deng xin cao soaked in vegetable oil. It is a folk healing method for an acute outbreak of shingles with fluid filled sores. As Matt indicated you light the end of the Deng xin cao, but the technique is to " pop " the largest areas. This literally makes a popping noise when the outbreak is touched. It is important to choose the spots where it looks like the most fluid has accumulated. This method can be applied several times in one session. Jason's question was for a post outbreak patient with neuralgia (no visible herpes). The folk remedy above is not the recommended method for this condition. The method I was taught and have used is to surround the area with shallow oblique needles. Many needles can be used for this treatment. It sounds similar to what Mark Schwartz suggested in an earlier post (minus the E-stim). On Behalf Of Matthew Sieradski Thursday, December 15, 2005 12:30 PM Re: post-herpetic neuralgia Cara, I've seen this done as well. The method, as I recall, was to light the end of the deng xin cao piece and then extinguish it on the skin near the lesion. -Matt Cara Frank <herbbabe wrote: This reminds me of Dr So¹s tx of shingles, using lit bull rush ( deng xin cao) on the periphery of the lesions. Does anyone out there remember this? Cara > Ross, > > Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? > > > > Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: > treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. > herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. > Ross Ralph Dr.TCM > - > > > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM > post-herpetic neuralgia > > > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster > (Shingles)? > > > > -Jason > > > > > <Chinese Medicine> > > tel: > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Yup- that¹s it. Have you used this method? Cara > Cara, > > I've seen this done as well. The method, as I recall, was to light the end > of the deng xin cao piece and then extinguish it on the skin near the lesion. > > -Matt > > Cara Frank <herbbabe wrote: > This reminds me of Dr So¹s tx of shingles, using lit bull rush ( deng xin > cao) on the periphery of the lesions. Does anyone out there remember this? > > Cara > > > > >> > Ross, >> > >> > Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? >> > >> > >> > >> > Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: >> > treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. >> > herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. >> > Ross Ralph Dr.TCM >> > - >> > >> > >> > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM >> > post-herpetic neuralgia >> > >> > >> > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster >> > (Shingles)? >> > >> > >> > >> > -Jason >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <Chinese Medicine> >> > >> > tel: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add >> me >> > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a >> signature >> > like this? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Actually, no. I don't have deng xin cao in my pharmacy currently. I think I saw it in school, but maybe just as a demonstration. The other fellow's elaboration on the procedure was what I saw, now that he reminded me - dip it in oil, etc... -Matt Cara Frank <herbbabe wrote: Yup- that¹s it. Have you used this method? Cara > Cara, > > I've seen this done as well. The method, as I recall, was to light the end > of the deng xin cao piece and then extinguish it on the skin near the lesion. > > -Matt > > Cara Frank <herbbabe wrote: > This reminds me of Dr So¹s tx of shingles, using lit bull rush ( deng xin > cao) on the periphery of the lesions. Does anyone out there remember this? > > Cara > > > > >> > Ross, >> > >> > Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? >> > >> > >> > >> > Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: >> > treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. >> > herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. >> > Ross Ralph Dr.TCM >> > - >> > >> > >> > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM >> > post-herpetic neuralgia >> > >> > >> > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster >> > (Shingles)? >> > >> > >> > >> > -Jason >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <Chinese Medicine> >> > >> > tel: >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add >> me >> > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a >> signature >> > like this? >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2005 Report Share Posted December 15, 2005 Matt and Cara, I believe this treatment is for active shingles lesions, not for post-herpetic pain in which the rash has long since healed over. Matthew Sieradski <mattsieradski wrote: Cara, I've seen this done as well. The method, as I recall, was to light the end of the deng xin cao piece and then extinguish it on the skin near the lesion. -Matt Cara Frank <herbbabe wrote: This reminds me of Dr So�s tx of shingles, using lit bull rush ( deng xin cao) on the periphery of the lesions. Does anyone out there remember this? Cara > Ross, > > Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? > > > > Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: > treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. > herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. > Ross Ralph Dr.TCM > - > > > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM > post-herpetic neuralgia > > > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster > (Shingles)? > > > > -Jason > > > > > > > > > > > > <Chinese Medicine> > > tel: > > > > > > > > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Sorry if someone else has already said this, but, in the Chinese medical literature, post-herpetic neuralgia is generally seen and treated as blood stasis in the network vessels. Blue Poppy Research Report #93 is on the internal Chinese medicinal treatment of this condition. There was also an article on this subject in the July 2005 issue of the Blue Poppy On-line CM Journal, and there will be another article appearing in the January 2006 issue of this same journal. Happy Holidays and Peace on Earth one and all. I'm off to Rajasthan on an extended vacation. Talk to you all again mid January. Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Jason and all, I have had very good results with the following protocol. I vary it slightly depending on patterns but it is more or less like this: A paste is made with the following ingredients: powered wang bu liu xing (3pts), shan zhi zi (2pts), and cayenne (1pts). This powder is moistened with a little vinegar (just enough to moisten it slightly, sometime I just moisten the zhi zi then add it to the mixture) then made into a paste with hypericum oil and applied to the affected area. I also occasionally add a little wintergreen oil (essential oil). For best results apply this twice per day and leave on as long as possible (at least 20-30 minutes). I haven't been keeping up with the list so I don't know where this person's problem lies or over how much area. If it is over a large area this can be a little tricky and the patient will need help. If it over only a small area it should be no problem. Note that those with extremely fair skin or who have sensitivities could have a reaction with this. I haven't seen anything more than a minor irritation, but they left it on for several hours. I would be more careful if it was on the head or face, but that wouldn't stop me from doing it, just be more careful. I have had excellent results with this or slightly modified version of it, good luck and let us know how it goes. Professor of Chair of Herbology Department Institute of Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine Honolulu, HI www.herbsandmore.photostockplus.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 16, 2005 Report Share Posted December 16, 2005 Andrea, Yes, I believe you're correct. < wrote: Matt and Cara, I believe this treatment is for active shingles lesions, not for post-herpetic pain in which the rash has long since healed over. Matthew Sieradski <mattsieradski wrote: Cara, I've seen this done as well. The method, as I recall, was to light the end of the deng xin cao piece and then extinguish it on the skin near the lesion. -Matt Cara Frank <herbbabe wrote: This reminds me of Dr So�s tx of shingles, using lit bull rush ( deng xin cao) on the periphery of the lesions. Does anyone out there remember this? Cara > Ross, > > Do you still use fire after the lesions are no longer present? > > > > Ross Ralph <courtenayhealing wrote: > treat fire with fire :use moxa stick on lesion , > wbc etc. > herbal medicine use patterns discrimination. > Ross Ralph Dr.TCM > - > > > Tuesday, December 13, 2005 8:47 PM > post-herpetic neuralgia > > > Any tricks or articles dealing with the remnant pain after herpes zoster > (Shingles)? > > > > -Jason > > > > > <Chinese Medicine> > > tel: > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me > to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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