Kidney, Liver, Same Mother

[Guest guest]

Hola Herbalistas!

 

I'm working on an article where a " statement of fact in TCM " is presented,

specifically " kidney, liver, same mother " .

 

I want to add something that I learned somewhere about biomedicine too as it

pretty much states the same thing, but I'm having no luck in finding any

supporting information on the web.

 

My understanding is that the (biomedical) liver and kidneys arise from the

same embryonic tissue. However, I am unable to locate anything credible or

incredible that supports this on-line. I've been searching for [ " embryonic

tissue " liver kidney] with no luck.

 

Am I tripping, or do I remember this little factoid correctly? If anybody

knows for sure, and can come up with better search criteria, that would be

great.

 

Thanks.

 

--

 

Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Al, I have this info on a PDF file from a Homotoxicology class that I took.

It seems to point to two different origins though:

 

" There are three basic embryonic tissue layers: Ectoderm, Endoderm, and

Mesoderm, which

are the source of all human tissues. (See Embryologic Chart) In the

progression of

embryonic development, the differentiation of tissues occurs according to

the following

steps:

1) The endoderm differentiates itself from the ectoderm.

2) Cells from the upper layer (primordial ectoderm and mesoderm) involute

along the

longitudinal midline of the embryo to form the mesoderm.

Ectodermal derivatives give rise to the outermost layer of the body - the

central and

peripheral nervous system, the epidermis, mammary glands, pituitary gland,

the epithelium

of the nasal cavity, mouth and anal canal, hair, nails, the eye lens, and

the enamel of the

teeth.

Endodermal derivatives include the innermost layer of the body - the

epithelial lining of

the gastro-intestinal and respiratory tracts, the parenchyma of the tonsils,

thyroid, thymus,

lungs, pancreas, bladder, and liver.

The mesenchyme refers to the cells which form the ventral and medial walls

of the

mesoderm, characterized by a high rate of proliferation during the fourth

week of

embryogenesis. Mesenchymal derivatives include connective tissue, cartilage,

the skeletal

system, and the hematopoietic and lymphatic systems, including the spleen.

The remaining Mesodermal derivatives include the kidneys, muscles,

reproductive system

and the heart plus the serous membranes which line the pericardial, pleural,

and peritoneal

cavities. "

 

 

Ferran

 

 

>Al Stone <al

>

>Chinese Herbal Medicine List

> Kidney, Liver, Same Mother

>Wed, 21 Dec 2005 09:17:13 -0800

>

>Hola Herbalistas!

>

>I'm working on an article where a " statement of fact in TCM " is presented,

>specifically " kidney, liver, same mother " .

>

>I want to add something that I learned somewhere about biomedicine too as

>it

>pretty much states the same thing, but I'm having no luck in finding any

>supporting information on the web.

>

>My understanding is that the (biomedical) liver and kidneys arise from the

>same embryonic tissue. However, I am unable to locate anything credible or

>incredible that supports this on-line. I've been searching for [ " embryonic

>tissue " liver kidney] with no luck.

>

>Am I tripping, or do I remember this little factoid correctly? If anybody

>knows for sure, and can come up with better search criteria, that would be

>great.

>

>Thanks.

>

>--

>

>Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional.

>

>

>