Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 from http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2006/jan/01legupdate.html In something of a surprise, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed Assembly Bill 1113, which would have clarified the ability of a licensed acupuncturist to diagnose patients. Specifically, the bill would have authorized licensed acupuncturists " to diagnose within his or her scope of practice. " Despite widespread support from both the California Assembly (which passed the bill 33-0 on Aug. 25) and the Senate (which passed the bill 74-1 5 days later), Gov. Schwarzenegger dealt a blow to the profession by summarily vetoing the bill in October. In his veto message, Schwarzenegger criticized the bill, saying, " The term 'scope of practice' is vague " - without mentioning the various techniques, therapies and modalities acupuncturists are currently authorized to perform under existing law. Also vetoed by Schwarzenegger was Assembly Bill 1115, which created a position known as the " acupuncture assistant. " AB 1115 defined an acupuncture assistant as " a person who is not licensed to perform acupuncture, who performs basic administrative, clerical, and supportive services " for licensed acupuncturists or corporations. Schwarzenegger called the bill " unnecessary, " citing existing law that expressly prohibits all people (aside from licensed acupuncturists or other specified health care providers) from practicing acupuncture. My commentary: Some very interesting moves by the guvinator of the state I am so glad to no longer be a citizen of. His reasoning for both vetoes is quite specious and seemingly easily overturned in the first case given the huge margins of the votes in favor. But in any case, this first veto puts a further crimp in the viability of the acupuncture profession by continuing to keep it illegal for an acupuncturist to make a western diagnosis. That is the key, if you all recall. In order to code an insurance form legally, you need to be able to make a western diagnosis. While the guv's reasoning reflected his usual lack of grasp of the facts, it also prevented the acupuncture lobby from making an end run around the current law by using such vague wording. Its vaguery was not that it did not clarify scope of practice since that is already defined in the acupuncture licensing act itself. The vaguery was in the use of the term diagnosis with no qualifier, thus essentially providing a legal basis for L.Ac. to claim the right to make a western diagnosis in the course of practicing Acupuncture, something that was advised against by both the Little Hoover commission and the joint legislative committee. Outlawing the use of acupuncture assistants is the essence of the second veto, meaning L.Ac. will have to do a lot of the work themselves they once farmed out to minimum wage helpers. Now perhaps the vetoes will be overturned, but probably not very soon. Its an election year and the full force of the medical lobbies will be in play. In that arena, the guv remained astute, if bought and sold. As I have stated many times, I believe this battle to gain western diagnostic rights will be lost in the end. The legislators who voted for it can now have it both ways. They can claim they tried, thus satisfying their asian lobby and they can ignore it for a long time to come, thus mollifying the CMA. The guv signed another bill which outlawed the practice of chinese herbal medicine and TCM in any form by ND's. Ironically, these practice (except for acupuncture) will still be legal for lay herbalists under the Healthcare freedom Act as detailed in many posts over the past year. It is also the harbinger of something very onerous for the profession. Against my admonitions, the brainless lobyyists who pushed this latter law, have now effectively created a major turf war between NDs and L.Ac. NDs are allowed by training and scope to make western dx in CA already. And when the bill to reintroduce diagnostic language into the acupuncture law is presented, the CANP is going to join forces with the CMA and make the case that L.Ac. do not even remotely have close to the level of training necessary to order and interpret lab tests, x-rays, etc., nor to make any clinical judgments that are based upon such tests. ND's are trained in spinal manipulation and will fight now to guarantee that they reap some benefits from the pain management industyr while L.Ac.'s languish on the sidelines. In all these cases, AIMS and CSOMA really overplayed their hands and the repercussions will be felt for years. Requesting the right to make a diagnosis and use assistants is a tacit admission that those things were illegal to begin with. With the veto of the laws, practitioners can expect the hammer to come down now. Especially with the newly reconstituted acupuncture board, which is no longer stacked with insiders. Those of you current students who have not yet invested too much on your education might want to consider jumping ship now before you end up with endless debt and very little means to pay it back (unless you feel comfortable committing insurance fraud). Chinese Herbs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 In all these cases, AIMS and CSOMA really overplayed their hands and the repercussions will be felt for years. >>>> i am curious what you mean by this. I know very little about the politics of the state. I have to agree with you on you assessments but would have to add that by the lack of support of these from the schools they probably sabotaged their own future. Oakland, CA 94609 - cha Monday, January 02, 2006 1:40 PM Legislative Update: New Laws in California from http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2006/jan/01legupdate.html In something of a surprise, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed Assembly Bill 1113, which would have clarified the ability of a licensed acupuncturist to diagnose patients. Specifically, the bill would have authorized licensed acupuncturists " to diagnose within his or her scope of practice. " Despite widespread support from both the California Assembly (which passed the bill 33-0 on Aug. 25) and the Senate (which passed the bill 74-1 5 days later), Gov. Schwarzenegger dealt a blow to the profession by summarily vetoing the bill in October. In his veto message, Schwarzenegger criticized the bill, saying, " The term 'scope of practice' is vague " - without mentioning the various techniques, therapies and modalities acupuncturists are currently authorized to perform under existing law. Also vetoed by Schwarzenegger was Assembly Bill 1115, which created a position known as the " acupuncture assistant. " AB 1115 defined an acupuncture assistant as " a person who is not licensed to perform acupuncture, who performs basic administrative, clerical, and supportive services " for licensed acupuncturists or corporations. Schwarzenegger called the bill " unnecessary, " citing existing law that expressly prohibits all people (aside from licensed acupuncturists or other specified health care providers) from practicing acupuncture. My commentary: Some very interesting moves by the guvinator of the state I am so glad to no longer be a citizen of. His reasoning for both vetoes is quite specious and seemingly easily overturned in the first case given the huge margins of the votes in favor. But in any case, this first veto puts a further crimp in the viability of the acupuncture profession by continuing to keep it illegal for an acupuncturist to make a western diagnosis. That is the key, if you all recall. In order to code an insurance form legally, you need to be able to make a western diagnosis. While the guv's reasoning reflected his usual lack of grasp of the facts, it also prevented the acupuncture lobby from making an end run around the current law by using such vague wording. Its vaguery was not that it did not clarify scope of practice since that is already defined in the acupuncture licensing act itself. The vaguery was in the use of the term diagnosis with no qualifier, thus essentially providing a legal basis for L.Ac. to claim the right to make a western diagnosis in the course of practicing Acupuncture, something that was advised against by both the Little Hoover commission and the joint legislative committee. Outlawing the use of acupuncture assistants is the essence of the second veto, meaning L.Ac. will have to do a lot of the work themselves they once farmed out to minimum wage helpers. Now perhaps the vetoes will be overturned, but probably not very soon. Its an election year and the full force of the medical lobbies will be in play. In that arena, the guv remained astute, if bought and sold. As I have stated many times, I believe this battle to gain western diagnostic rights will be lost in the end. The legislators who voted for it can now have it both ways. They can claim they tried, thus satisfying their asian lobby and they can ignore it for a long time to come, thus mollifying the CMA. The guv signed another bill which outlawed the practice of chinese herbal medicine and TCM in any form by ND's. Ironically, these practice (except for acupuncture) will still be legal for lay herbalists under the Healthcare freedom Act as detailed in many posts over the past year. It is also the harbinger of something very onerous for the profession. Against my admonitions, the brainless lobyyists who pushed this latter law, have now effectively created a major turf war between NDs and L.Ac. NDs are allowed by training and scope to make western dx in CA already. And when the bill to reintroduce diagnostic language into the acupuncture law is presented, the CANP is going to join forces with the CMA and make the case that L.Ac. do not even remotely have close to the level of training necessary to order and interpret lab tests, x-rays, etc., nor to make any clinical judgments that are based upon such tests. ND's are trained in spinal manipulation and will fight now to guarantee that they reap some benefits from the pain management industyr while L.Ac.'s languish on the sidelines. In all these cases, AIMS and CSOMA really overplayed their hands and the repercussions will be felt for years. Requesting the right to make a diagnosis and use assistants is a tacit admission that those things were illegal to begin with. With the veto of the laws, practitioners can expect the hammer to come down now. Especially with the newly reconstituted acupuncture board, which is no longer stacked with insiders. Those of you current students who have not yet invested too much on your education might want to consider jumping ship now before you end up with endless debt and very little means to pay it back (unless you feel comfortable committing insurance fraud). Chinese Herbs Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 2, 2006 Report Share Posted January 2, 2006 also I am saddend that you had such a negative experience with your practice. I think that choosing to pracitce in an area already saturated is part of the problem. In PA, I am very busy. but there are some facts that tilt things ion my favor: not many acupuncturists here have my experience with ehrbs. this allows me to specialize. plus we just opened the first school here in PA. so the market is not yet saturated. it's easy to be a big fish in a relativly small pond. come to Philly, TOdd! Cara On Jan 2, 2006, at 8:09 PM, wrote: > In all these cases, AIMS and CSOMA really overplayed their hands and > the repercussions will be felt for years. > >>>> i am curious what you mean by this. I know very little about > the politics of the state. I have to agree with you on you > assessments but would have to add that by the lack of support of > these from the schools they probably sabotaged their own future. > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > > cha > Monday, January 02, 2006 1:40 PM > Legislative Update: New Laws in California > > > from http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2006/jan/ > 01legupdate.html > In something of a surprise, Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger vetoed > Assembly Bill 1113, which would have clarified the ability of a > licensed acupuncturist to diagnose patients. Specifically, the bill > would have authorized licensed acupuncturists " to diagnose within > his > or her scope of practice. " > > Despite widespread support from both the California Assembly (which > passed the bill 33-0 on Aug. 25) and the Senate (which passed the > bill 74-1 5 days later), Gov. Schwarzenegger dealt a blow to the > profession by summarily vetoing the bill in October. In his veto > message, Schwarzenegger criticized the bill, saying, " The term > 'scope > of practice' is vague " - without mentioning the various techniques, > therapies and modalities acupuncturists are currently authorized to > perform under existing law. > > Also vetoed by Schwarzenegger was Assembly Bill 1115, which > created a > position known as the " acupuncture assistant. " AB 1115 defined an > acupuncture assistant as " a person who is not licensed to perform > acupuncture, who performs basic administrative, clerical, and > supportive services " for licensed acupuncturists or corporations. > Schwarzenegger called the bill " unnecessary, " citing existing law > that expressly prohibits all people (aside from licensed > acupuncturists or other specified health care providers) from > practicing acupuncture. > > > > My commentary: > > Some very interesting moves by the guvinator of the state I am so > glad to no longer be a citizen of. His reasoning for both vetoes is > quite specious and seemingly easily overturned in the first case > given the huge margins of the votes in favor. But in any case, this > first veto puts a further crimp in the viability of the acupuncture > profession by continuing to keep it illegal for an acupuncturist to > make a western diagnosis. That is the key, if you all recall. In > order to code an insurance form legally, you need to be able to make > a western diagnosis. While the guv's reasoning reflected his usual > lack of grasp of the facts, it also prevented the acupuncture lobby > from making an end run around the current law by using such vague > wording. Its vaguery was not that it did not clarify scope of > practice since that is already defined in the acupuncture licensing > act itself. The vaguery was in the use of the term diagnosis > with no > qualifier, thus essentially providing a legal basis for L.Ac. to > claim the right to make a western diagnosis in the course of > practicing Acupuncture, something that was advised against by both > the Little Hoover commission and the joint legislative committee. > > Outlawing the use of acupuncture assistants is the essence of the > second veto, meaning L.Ac. will have to do a lot of the work > themselves they once farmed out to minimum wage helpers. Now > perhaps > the vetoes will be overturned, but probably not very soon. Its an > election year and the full force of the medical lobbies will be in > play. In that arena, the guv remained astute, if bought and sold. > As I have stated many times, I believe this battle to gain western > diagnostic rights will be lost in the end. The legislators who > voted > for it can now have it both ways. They can claim they tried, thus > satisfying their asian lobby and they can ignore it for a long time > to come, thus mollifying the CMA. > > The guv signed another bill which outlawed the practice of chinese > herbal medicine and TCM in any form by ND's. Ironically, these > practice (except for acupuncture) will still be legal for lay > herbalists under the Healthcare freedom Act as detailed in many > posts > over the past year. It is also the harbinger of something very > onerous for the profession. Against my admonitions, the brainless > lobyyists who pushed this latter law, have now effectively created a > major turf war between NDs and L.Ac. NDs are allowed by training > and > scope to make western dx in CA already. And when the bill to > reintroduce diagnostic language into the acupuncture law is > presented, the CANP is going to join forces with the CMA and make > the > case that L.Ac. do not even remotely have close to the level of > training necessary to order and interpret lab tests, x-rays, etc., > nor to make any clinical judgments that are based upon such tests. > ND's are trained in spinal manipulation and will fight now to > guarantee that they reap some benefits from the pain management > industyr while L.Ac.'s languish on the sidelines. > > In all these cases, AIMS and CSOMA really overplayed their hands and > the repercussions will be felt for years. Requesting the right to > make a diagnosis and use assistants is a tacit admission that those > things were illegal to begin with. With the veto of the laws, > practitioners can expect the hammer to come down now. Especially > with the newly reconstituted acupuncture board, which is no longer > stacked with insiders. Those of you current students who have not > yet invested too much on your education might want to consider > jumping ship now before you end up with endless debt and very little > means to pay it back (unless you feel comfortable committing > insurance fraud). > > > > > Chinese Herbs > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 3, 2006 Report Share Posted January 3, 2006 Perhaps people may start to feel better about moving to other states and working to better the practice acts there, in other states that are not so legislatively, shall we say, persnickity about every little bitty loose end that can be used to provide some discretion. They can't even use ion pumping cords or even homeopathy when everyone else in the state can! Acupuncturists are many times their own worst enemy, like you say. David Molony In a message dated 1/2/06 5:42:38 PM, writes: > Those of you current students who have not > yet invested too much on your education might want to consider > jumping ship now before you end up with endless debt and very little > means to pay it back (unless you feel comfortable committing > insurance fraud). > David Molony 101 Bridge Street Catasauqua, PA 18032 Phone (610)264-2755 Fax (610) 264-7292 **********Confidentiality Notice ********** This electronic transmission and any attached documents or other writings are confidential and are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) identified above. This message may contain information that is privileged, confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure under applicable law, including the FTC Safeguard Rule and U.S.-EU Safe Harbor Principles. If you are the intended recipient, you are responsible for establishing appropriate safeguards to maintain data integrity and security. If the receiver of this information is not the intended recipient, or the employee, or agent responsible for delivering the information to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, reading, dissemination, distribution, copying or storage of this information is strictly prohibited. If you have received this information in error, please notify the sender by return email and delete the electronic transmission, including all attachments from your system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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