Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

[Guest guest]

While I have recently posted on the mounting evidence that chronic

use of even a mild mind altering substance like cannabis likely

causes brain damage, I did include the caveat that occasional use of

such substances in certain settings may well be regenerative. It

certainly makes sense from a TCM perspective that a substance that

has an opening effect on the mind may clear the veils on perception,

but if used regularly, like all orifice opening substance, one will

burn up their yin and begin to go mad. Albert Hoffman, who

discovered LSD turned 100 today and by all accounts is quite robust.

But he was never a fan of the Kesey or Leary crowd with their drug-

abusing tendencies. He favored restrained use of the substances

others indulged themselves in, some to quite an early death, like

Jerry Garcia, for example. Hoffman may well be a poster child

(poster sage?) for the dictum that because a little may be good, more

is definitely not better.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-miller/is-dropping-acid-a-cure-

f_b_13834.html

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I read a great interview with ol' Albert in the NY Times last week.

He still has a clear, lucid intellect at work. I agree with him that

LSD is potentially a great tool, unfortunately it is also quite

unpredictable. There needs, I think, to be some kind of preparation

and safe environment for the experience (which Albert learned the

hard way himself). I don't know if the present environment in which

drugs are experimented with is the correct one.

 

By the way, Garcia stopped using LSD long before his death. His drug

of choice, unfortunately, was a smokable form of brown heroin, which

sapped the life out of a musical giant, as it does out of everyone

who plays with this poison.

 

 

On Jan 15, 2006, at 9:59 PM, wrote:

 

> While I have recently posted on the mounting evidence that chronic

> use of even a mild mind altering substance like cannabis likely

> causes brain damage, I did include the caveat that occasional use of

> such substances in certain settings may well be regenerative. It

> certainly makes sense from a TCM perspective that a substance that

> has an opening effect on the mind may clear the veils on perception,

> but if used regularly, like all orifice opening substance, one will

> burn up their yin and begin to go mad. Albert Hoffman, who

> discovered LSD turned 100 today and by all accounts is quite robust.

> But he was never a fan of the Kesey or Leary crowd with their drug-

> abusing tendencies. He favored restrained use of the substances

> others indulged themselves in, some to quite an early death, like

> Jerry Garcia, for example. Hoffman may well be a poster child

> (poster sage?) for the dictum that because a little may be good, more

> is definitely not better.

>

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-miller/is-dropping-acid-a-cure-

> f_b_13834.html

>

>

>

>

> Web/Online Coordinator

> Adult Degree and Graduate Programs

> Prescott College

> http://www.prescott.edu

>

 

[Guest guest]

Jerry Garcia

>>>I think he died from heart disease

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

cha

Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:59 PM

Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

 

 

While I have recently posted on the mounting evidence that chronic

use of even a mild mind altering substance like cannabis likely

causes brain damage, I did include the caveat that occasional use of

such substances in certain settings may well be regenerative. It

certainly makes sense from a TCM perspective that a substance that

has an opening effect on the mind may clear the veils on perception,

but if used regularly, like all orifice opening substance, one will

burn up their yin and begin to go mad. Albert Hoffman, who

discovered LSD turned 100 today and by all accounts is quite robust.

But he was never a fan of the Kesey or Leary crowd with their drug-

abusing tendencies. He favored restrained use of the substances

others indulged themselves in, some to quite an early death, like

Jerry Garcia, for example. Hoffman may well be a poster child

(poster sage?) for the dictum that because a little may be good, more

is definitely not better.

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-miller/is-dropping-acid-a-cure-

f_b_13834.html

 

 

Web/Online Coordinator

Adult Degree and Graduate Programs

Prescott College

http://www.prescott.edu

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Nope. It was dope.

Cara

 

 

 

 

> Jerry Garcia

>>>> >>>I think he died from heart disease

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

>

> cha

> Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:59 PM

> Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

>

>

> While I have recently posted on the mounting evidence that chronic

> use of even a mild mind altering substance like cannabis likely

> causes brain damage, I did include the caveat that occasional use of

> such substances in certain settings may well be regenerative. It

> certainly makes sense from a TCM perspective that a substance that

> has an opening effect on the mind may clear the veils on perception,

> but if used regularly, like all orifice opening substance, one will

> burn up their yin and begin to go mad. Albert Hoffman, who

> discovered LSD turned 100 today and by all accounts is quite robust.

> But he was never a fan of the Kesey or Leary crowd with their drug-

> abusing tendencies. He favored restrained use of the substances

> others indulged themselves in, some to quite an early death, like

> Jerry Garcia, for example. Hoffman may well be a poster child

> (poster sage?) for the dictum that because a little may be good, more

> is definitely not better.

>

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-miller/is-dropping-acid-a-cure-

> f_b_13834.html

>

>

>

>

> Web/Online Coordinator

> Adult Degree and Graduate Programs

> Prescott College

> http://www.prescott.edu

>

[Guest guest]

did he OD?

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

Cara Frank

Monday, January 16, 2006 2:46 PM

Re: Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

 

 

Nope. It was dope.

Cara

 

 

 

 

> Jerry Garcia

>>>> >>>I think he died from heart disease

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

>

> cha

> Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:59 PM

> Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

>

>

> While I have recently posted on the mounting evidence that chronic

> use of even a mild mind altering substance like cannabis likely

> causes brain damage, I did include the caveat that occasional use of

> such substances in certain settings may well be regenerative. It

> certainly makes sense from a TCM perspective that a substance that

> has an opening effect on the mind may clear the veils on perception,

> but if used regularly, like all orifice opening substance, one will

> burn up their yin and begin to go mad. Albert Hoffman, who

> discovered LSD turned 100 today and by all accounts is quite robust.

> But he was never a fan of the Kesey or Leary crowd with their drug-

> abusing tendencies. He favored restrained use of the substances

> others indulged themselves in, some to quite an early death, like

> Jerry Garcia, for example. Hoffman may well be a poster child

> (poster sage?) for the dictum that because a little may be good, more

> is definitely not better.

>

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-miller/is-dropping-acid-a-cure-

> f_b_13834.html

>

>

>

>

> Web/Online Coordinator

> Adult Degree and Graduate Programs

> Prescott College

> http://www.prescott.edu

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It was both

 

He was diabetic. . .a diabetic coma almost killed him in 1987. The

diabetes, according to his doctor and acupuncturist (his Chinese

medical treatment is detailed in a fascinating biography about him,

called " Dark Star " ) , led to heart damage (congestive heart

failure). In turn, use of heroin led him to neglect diet and

exercise, and the constant smoking of it damaged his lungs and heart

further.

 

 

On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:46 PM, Cara Frank wrote:

 

> Nope. It was dope.

> Cara

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

No. He died peacefully in his sleep while trying to kick it at a

drug rehab place, Serenity Acres. It is hard to OD when you just

smoke it.

 

 

On Jan 16, 2006, at 2:47 PM, wrote:

 

> did he OD?

>

>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Actually, I think it was heart failure: but brought on by years of doping.

any dead ­heads out there who can confirm this?

I know that in his last years, there were several unsuccessful attempts by

him to get sober.

 

Rick Danko of the band also died this way.

Cara

 

 

 

 

> did he OD?

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

> Cara Frank

>

> Monday, January 16, 2006 2:46 PM

> Re: Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

>

>

> Nope. It was dope.

> Cara

>

>

>

>

>> > Jerry Garcia

>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>I think he died from heart disease

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Oakland, CA 94609

>> >

>> >

>> > -

>> >

>> > cha

>> > Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:59 PM

>> > Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

>> >

>> >

>> > While I have recently posted on the mounting evidence that chronic

>> > use of even a mild mind altering substance like cannabis likely

>> > causes brain damage, I did include the caveat that occasional use of

>> > such substances in certain settings may well be regenerative. It

>> > certainly makes sense from a TCM perspective that a substance that

>> > has an opening effect on the mind may clear the veils on perception,

>> > but if used regularly, like all orifice opening substance, one will

>> > burn up their yin and begin to go mad. Albert Hoffman, who

>> > discovered LSD turned 100 today and by all accounts is quite robust.

>> > But he was never a fan of the Kesey or Leary crowd with their drug-

>> > abusing tendencies. He favored restrained use of the substances

>> > others indulged themselves in, some to quite an early death, like

>> > Jerry Garcia, for example. Hoffman may well be a poster child

>> > (poster sage?) for the dictum that because a little may be good, more

>> > is definitely not better.

>> >

>> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-miller/is-dropping-acid-a-cure-

>> > f_b_13834.html

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Web/Online Coordinator

>> > Adult Degree and Graduate Programs

>> > Prescott College

>> > http://www.prescott.edu

>> >

>> >

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>> >

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[Guest guest]

i actually know one of his Dr i can ask

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

Cara Frank

Monday, January 16, 2006 3:00 PM

Re: Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

 

 

Actually, I think it was heart failure: but brought on by years of doping.

any dead ­heads out there who can confirm this?

I know that in his last years, there were several unsuccessful attempts by

him to get sober.

 

Rick Danko of the band also died this way.

Cara

 

 

 

 

> did he OD?

>

>

>

>

> Oakland, CA 94609

>

>

> -

> Cara Frank

>

> Monday, January 16, 2006 2:46 PM

> Re: Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

>

>

> Nope. It was dope.

> Cara

>

>

>

>

>> > Jerry Garcia

>>>>>>>> >>>> >>>I think he died from heart disease

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Oakland, CA 94609

>> >

>> >

>> > -

>> >

>> > cha

>> > Sunday, January 15, 2006 9:59 PM

>> > Is Dropping Acid a Cure for Old Age?

>> >

>> >

>> > While I have recently posted on the mounting evidence that chronic

>> > use of even a mild mind altering substance like cannabis likely

>> > causes brain damage, I did include the caveat that occasional use of

>> > such substances in certain settings may well be regenerative. It

>> > certainly makes sense from a TCM perspective that a substance that

>> > has an opening effect on the mind may clear the veils on perception,

>> > but if used regularly, like all orifice opening substance, one will

>> > burn up their yin and begin to go mad. Albert Hoffman, who

>> > discovered LSD turned 100 today and by all accounts is quite robust.

>> > But he was never a fan of the Kesey or Leary crowd with their drug-

>> > abusing tendencies. He favored restrained use of the substances

>> > others indulged themselves in, some to quite an early death, like

>> > Jerry Garcia, for example. Hoffman may well be a poster child

>> > (poster sage?) for the dictum that because a little may be good, more

>> > is definitely not better.

>> >

>> > http://www.huffingtonpost.com/danny-miller/is-dropping-acid-a-cure-

>> > f_b_13834.html

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > Web/Online Coordinator

>> > Adult Degree and Graduate Programs

>> > Prescott College

>> > http://www.prescott.edu

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >

[Guest guest]

Cara,

 

Jerry Garcia died of heart failure while at a rehab clinic. I don't know why

you are so insistent that he died from " dope " . I met him many times in the

70's. He was a true gentleman and a great humanitarian, in addition to his

musical abilities. An article about his death is below.

 

- Bill Schoenbart

 

 

 

Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia dead at 53

From CNN Correspondent Mark Scheerer

August 9,1995

 

 

(CNN) -- Jerry Garcia, the 53-year-old guitarist and co-founder of the

Grateful Dead, died today at a Northern California residential drug

treatment center. The cause, according to authorities, was a heart attack.

 

The Grateful Dead blended blues, rock, country and folk music with a dash of

the psychedelic sound of the sixties counter-culture that grew out of their

home base of San Francisco. Over three decades, the dead became one of the

most popular concert draws in the world.

 

Songs like " Truckin', " " Casey Jones, " and " Friend of the Devil " were staples

of album rock radio, yet the Grateful Dead only had one top ten hit, " Touch

of Gray, " in 1987.

 

Nonetheless, they became a cultural phenomenon and almost a way of life for

their fans, known as " Deadheads. " Some followed them around the country, and

many can boast of seeing hundreds of concerts. As one fan remembered, " You

wanted to go to every show because you didn't know what would happen next.

The records didn't necessarily convey that, but the live shows did. "

 

A veteran of the psychedelic sixties, Garcia battled drug addiction and

later poor health, including diabetes, which culminated in a diabetic coma

in 1986. After exhaustion sent him to the hospital in 1991, he stopped

smoking and shed some weight with a personal trainer.

 

The Dead used their global influence to advance environmental concerns like

saving the rainforest as well as other charitable causes. As the band's

patriarch, Garcia became a larger-than-life figure to his fans. Those close

to him knew him as a sensitive man with a spiritual side. As Garcia put it,

" I love great art, poetry, all the things that enrich human life are things

that I like. Also, there's tons of music that I love. I mean I don't really

think I'm gonna be able to get around to everything that I potentially like

in this lifetime. "

 

Away from the Grateful Dead, Garcia turned out solo albums and paintings,

some of which were re-created in a line of neckties. Onstage, where the

Grateful Dead launched extended jams, Garcia's guitar solos sent Deadheads

into ecstatic dances and trances. But Garcia remained humble. " I'd like to

learn how to play the guitar before I die, yeah, that'd be good. "

 

On July 9 in Chicago, Jerry Garcia played his last concert fronting the

Grateful Dead. Will his passing mean the end of the band, as well? The

answer remains to be seen, but Garcia's music will live forever in the

hearts and souls of his fans.

 

 

 

>>>>>

 

> Re:

> Nope. It was dope.

> Cara

>

>

>

> > Jerry Garcia

> >>>> >>>I think he died from heart disease

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

As moderator, lets put a end to the Garcia talk... but not before I have my say.

:-)

 

From a friend who was part of the Dead circle, Garcia didn't start using heroin

till the 80's.

As to the cause of death one could just say it was his overall lifestyle, diet,

drugs and

overwork which taxed his body to the grave. Whether there were drugs in his body

when

he died I don't know or care but people don't generally check into a rehab

clinic for fun.

 

What is more interesting to me is the way this generation is seen in terms

alternative

lifesyle and how drugs are associated with it even while I see the younger

generation

turning easily to yoga and asian medicine in general.

 

Although I'm a little young (50) to have been there for the height of the fun I

understand

that the turn to Asian thought was largely necessary to counteract the

unpredictability of

the hallucegenic experience. Pulling back into the body after floating out of

it. Certainly

the macrobiotic food movement was an adjunct to this grounding.

 

Unfortunately, as many have pointed out in this forum, too many have collapsed

Chinese

Medicine with these tendencies of alternative (eg: New Age) thought (which

actually have

their roots in the Victorian Self-help movements). What I can say is that Asian

thought

(broadly: yoga and CM) can make one more aware and responsive to the body.

Faced with

the threats of the " 60's, a draft to Vietnam or nuclear disaster, floating out

of the body

might not seem so drastic.

 

And then we have the dangers of painkillers, heroin, cocaine and amphetines,

which we

easily can classify as self-diasters even as make their predictible tolls on

the body, mind

and community. The fact that such an apparently gentle and caring person as

Garcia would

allow himself to get sucked into heroin (even as he saw the destruction which

he saw for

decades around him) is sad and points to how we all often make our own stupids

choices

for no apparent benefit.

 

that's it,

doug

[Guest guest]

I did not mean to sound disparaging or pejorative. I had just returned home

from a short vacation and was wading through 137 emails. So I was trying to

be quick. He did have multiple health problems, but I understood that the

stress of detoxing from heroin was more than his heart could tolerate. For

what it¹s worth. I love Jerry and I love the dead. I¹ve seen them play many

times. I was a total dead head back in the day.

 

No offense intended.

C

 

 

 

 

> Cara,

>

> Jerry Garcia died of heart failure while at a rehab clinic. I don't know why

> you are so insistent that he died from " dope " . I met him many times in the

> 70's. He was a true gentleman and a great humanitarian, in addition to his

> musical abilities. An article about his death is below.

>

> - Bill Schoenbart

>

>

>

> Grateful Dead's Jerry Garcia dead at 53

> From CNN Correspondent Mark Scheerer

> August 9,1995

>

>

> (CNN) -- Jerry Garcia, the 53-year-old guitarist and co-founder of the

> Grateful Dead, died today at a Northern California residential drug

> treatment center. The cause, according to authorities, was a heart attack.

>

> The Grateful Dead blended blues, rock, country and folk music with a dash of

> the psychedelic sound of the sixties counter-culture that grew out of their

> home base of San Francisco. Over three decades, the dead became one of the

> most popular concert draws in the world.

>

> Songs like " Truckin', " " Casey Jones, " and " Friend of the Devil " were staples

> of album rock radio, yet the Grateful Dead only had one top ten hit, " Touch

> of Gray, " in 1987.

>

> Nonetheless, they became a cultural phenomenon and almost a way of life for

> their fans, known as " Deadheads. " Some followed them around the country, and

> many can boast of seeing hundreds of concerts. As one fan remembered, " You

> wanted to go to every show because you didn't know what would happen next.

> The records didn't necessarily convey that, but the live shows did. "

>

> A veteran of the psychedelic sixties, Garcia battled drug addiction and

> later poor health, including diabetes, which culminated in a diabetic coma

> in 1986. After exhaustion sent him to the hospital in 1991, he stopped

> smoking and shed some weight with a personal trainer.

>

> The Dead used their global influence to advance environmental concerns like

> saving the rainforest as well as other charitable causes. As the band's

> patriarch, Garcia became a larger-than-life figure to his fans. Those close

> to him knew him as a sensitive man with a spiritual side. As Garcia put it,

> " I love great art, poetry, all the things that enrich human life are things

> that I like. Also, there's tons of music that I love. I mean I don't really

> think I'm gonna be able to get around to everything that I potentially like

> in this lifetime. "

>

> Away from the Grateful Dead, Garcia turned out solo albums and paintings,

> some of which were re-created in a line of neckties. Onstage, where the

> Grateful Dead launched extended jams, Garcia's guitar solos sent Deadheads

> into ecstatic dances and trances. But Garcia remained humble. " I'd like to

> learn how to play the guitar before I die, yeah, that'd be good. "

>

> On July 9 in Chicago, Jerry Garcia played his last concert fronting the

> Grateful Dead. Will his passing mean the end of the band, as well? The

> answer remains to be seen, but Garcia's music will live forever in the

> hearts and souls of his fans.

>

>

>

>>>>>> >>>>>

>

>> > Re:

>> > Nope. It was dope.

>> > Cara

>> >

>> >

>> >

>>> > > Jerry Garcia

>>>>>>>>> > >>>> >>>I think he died from heart disease

>> >

>

>

>