Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Dear CHA, I was wondering what people's experience is with Chinese herb gall stone flushes (NOT the olive oil salt ones) - But the one's that are supposed to expel stones (i.e. wei ling xian, da huang, liver movers etc etc.) - I am under the impression that it is not a big deal if the stones are under 5mm, but I am still a bit concerned.. I have read it takes months sometimes to expel the stones, although I have read that some Chinese hospitals require in patient hospitalization for the expulsion (usually bigger stones), but suggesting that it is a quicker more forceful process.. Comments? What are other's experience? - <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2006 Report Share Posted February 1, 2006 Jason The flushes i have seen were a combination of herbs and fat/acid combo. It is always a good idea to know the stone size as well the state of the anatomy. People get in trouble when the ducts are abnormally small. In my acute abdomin book (Blue Poppy) i have the protocol they used where i worked. Oakland, CA 94609 - Wednesday, February 01, 2006 9:04 PM Gall Stone FLUSH Dear CHA, I was wondering what people's experience is with Chinese herb gall stone flushes (NOT the olive oil salt ones) - But the one's that are supposed to expel stones (i.e. wei ling xian, da huang, liver movers etc etc.) - I am under the impression that it is not a big deal if the stones are under 5mm, but I am still a bit concerned.. I have read it takes months sometimes to expel the stones, although I have read that some Chinese hospitals require in patient hospitalization for the expulsion (usually bigger stones), but suggesting that it is a quicker more forceful process.. Comments? What are other's experience? - <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 My Understanding of modern imaging techniques is that gallstones are commonly missed. Patients with few gallstones visible but severe symptoms will sometimes have their GB removed only to find it riddled with large stones. This happened to a practitioner friend of mine's wife (albeit a few years ago). That being said, stone diameter is important to know, but unknown stones are of course of unknown diameters. The issue isn't stones that are too big or too small it's when they're " just right " thereby risking a potentially excruciating blockage. I myself am hesitant to encourage the passage of stones. Tim Sharpe Thursday, February 02, 2006 12:10 AM Jason The flushes i have seen were a combination of herbs and fat/acid combo. It is always a good idea to know the stone size as well the state of the anatomy. People get in trouble when the ducts are abnormally small. In my acute abdomin book (Blue Poppy) i have the protocol they used where i worked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2006 Report Share Posted February 4, 2006 I was listening to an interesting lecture by Jon Barron in which he suggested the cause of Gallstones was a congested liver. His idea is that when the liver is congested, the bile will be thick, toxic and tend to form stones. In his opinion, the best way to prevent stones is to detox the liver and promote the flow of a more liquid, less concentrated, toxic bile. He also suggests that if one were to clean the liver and the flowing bile was in a healthy state, then the stones that were in the gallbladder would tend to dissolve over time. Any comments on this approach? Chris In a message dated 2/4/2006 11:04:44 PM Eastern Standard Time, listserve writes: My Understanding of modern imaging techniques is that gallstones are commonly missed. Patients with few gallstones visible but severe symptoms will sometimes have their GB removed only to find it riddled with large stones. This happened to a practitioner friend of mine's wife (albeit a few years ago). That being said, stone diameter is important to know, but unknown stones are of course of unknown diameters. The issue isn't stones that are too big or too small it's when they're " just right " thereby risking a potentially excruciating blockage. I myself am hesitant to encourage the passage of stones. Tim Sharpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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