Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 To patients I often describe moxa as having some of the same qualities of Sage (expelling demons/bad energy). Once when some fellow students and I were " smudging " our student clinic with Sage, our usually straight arrow Chinese professor said that in China they used Qing Hao for the same demonology purposes. doug , " Deb Marshall " <taichideb wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic and quite horrible sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put it on a non- flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed. > > It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me that the effect was immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part of the grief, anxiety and depression, and let her move into a space where she could grieve in a way she felt was productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control. > > I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is in chronic pain from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for acupuncture), whose first boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him, and whose father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a result is dealing, not particularly gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The teen's mother called me, desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and grief and anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition had simply made her condition worse. > > Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She called me back half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager, who had been screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone into her room, and did her homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept through for the first time in several weeks. The effect continues. > > Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions I'm getting, to pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and settle. The mind becomes focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of feelings, but rather that the feelings become the right size to experience without taking over. > > Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious one of fire!) > > ---Deb Marshall > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Hi Folks, Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic and quite horrible sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put it on a non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed. It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me that the effect was immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part of the grief, anxiety and depression, and let her move into a space where she could grieve in a way she felt was productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control. I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is in chronic pain from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for acupuncture), whose first boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him, and whose father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a result is dealing, not particularly gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The teen's mother called me, desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and grief and anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition had simply made her condition worse. Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She called me back half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager, who had been screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone into her room, and did her homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept through for the first time in several weeks. The effect continues. Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions I'm getting, to pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and settle. The mind becomes focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of feelings, but rather that the feelings become the right size to experience without taking over. Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious one of fire!) ---Deb Marshall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 Dear Deb, Two summers ago I was in New Mexico at Zev's plant workshop. In their Taos local herb store I ran into a great book that has a lot of information about smokes. Smokes affect the brain quite readily and have been used psychologically for a long time in native cultures. This information did a lot towards repairing my relationship to tobacco, a severely abused plant that does have some potent gifts for humans. Too bad for us all the abuse and corporation alterations that has gone on. The books title is " Smoke Plants of North America " The website is: http://www.smokeplants.com/index.html Ann was there and she tried the smokes with me a couple of the nights. HI Ann!!! Maybe she can chip in with her view if she has one. Well, that's all I can report officially. Unofficially, I've grown to like Devil's club bark in my smokes and find that it supports the Zhong Qi or upright Qi. I have also found that my local artemisia plant worked wonderful for the same purpose as moxa and is fresher. Artemesia absinthe,though, is too strong on the tranquilizing side to use for calming purposes especially because it also has some toxins in them(ledol oil). I also found out on one research foray that Bai Ji Li or tribulus and Lilly stamen have both been used as a smoke ingredients by the Chinese, but I can't comment on what for nor have I tried them. Rozz Deb Marshall wrote: > Hi Folks, > > Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic and quite horrible sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put it on a non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed. > > It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me that the effect was immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part of the grief, anxiety and depression, and let her move into a space where she could grieve in a way she felt was productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control. > > I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is in chronic pain from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for acupuncture), whose first boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him, and whose father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a result is dealing, not particularly gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The teen's mother called me, desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and grief and anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition had simply made her condition worse. > > Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She called me back half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager, who had been screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone into her room, and did her homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept through for the first time in several weeks. The effect continues. > > Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions I'm getting, to pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and settle. The mind becomes focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of feelings, but rather that the feelings become the right size to experience without taking over. > > Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious one of fire!) > > ---Deb Marshall > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2006 Report Share Posted February 11, 2006 I have also heard, Chen Pi... - > > > On Behalf Of > Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:34 PM > > Re: moxa for emotional disturbance > > To patients I often describe moxa as having some of the same qualities of > Sage (expelling > demons/bad energy). Once when some fellow students and I were " smudging " > our student > clinic with Sage, our usually straight arrow Chinese professor said that > in China they used > Qing Hao for the same demonology purposes. > doug > > , " Deb Marshall " <taichideb > wrote: > > > > Hi Folks, > > > > Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa > wool to a patient > who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic > and quite horrible > sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, > put it on a non- > flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an > incense when she was > feeling overwhelmed. > > > > It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me > that the effect was > immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part of > the grief, anxiety > and depression, and let her move into a space where she could grieve in a > way she felt was > productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control. > > > > I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is > in chronic pain > from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for acupuncture), > whose first > boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him, > and whose > father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a > result is dealing, not > particularly gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The > teen's mother called > me, desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of > fear and grief and > anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition had > simply made her > condition worse. > > > > Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She > called me back > half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager, who > had been > screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone > into her room, > and did her homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept > through for the > first time in several weeks. The effect continues. > > > > Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions > I'm getting, to > pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and settle. The > mind becomes > focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of > feelings, but > rather that the feelings become the right size to experience without > taking over. > > > > Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious > one of fire!) > > > > ---Deb Marshall > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Deb, I've been making incense for the last couple of years using herbs from my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy regularly and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I found out that the sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the formula. Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added makko to help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from better sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and musicians claim to be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the patients like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive to smoke are not affected by the blend. Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it if you wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com Regards, Fernando , " Deb Marshall " <taichideb wrote: > > Hi Folks, > > Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic and quite horrible sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put it on a non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed. > > It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me that the effect was immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part of the grief, anxiety and depression, and let her move into a space where she could grieve in a way she felt was productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control. > > I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is in chronic pain from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for acupuncture), whose first boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him, and whose father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a result is dealing, not particularly gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The teen's mother called me, desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and grief and anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition had simply made her condition worse. > > Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She called me back half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager, who had been screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone into her room, and did her homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept through for the first time in several weeks. The effect continues. > > Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions I'm getting, to pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and settle. The mind becomes focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of feelings, but rather that the feelings become the right size to experience without taking over. > > Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious one of fire!) > > ---Deb Marshall > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Fernanco, Where do you get the fresh patchouli? I love my aloeswood, I got some good stuff from Mayway, but there have been other levels of quality. The sandlewood I got worked great, if I could only get the shavings down to size, they are small blocks instead of any useful size for burning. How did you do the resins, very small, just natural size? I use locally gathered stuff and a little bought stuff. Like Propolis, I really really like it dropped into the moxa and then burning it later when it dries. Cedar is also one of my favorites. All kinds of sages make it into my moxa, and a local Spruce sap is also very fine!. I was so excited when I found out I could burn stuff with the moxa. I hate charcoal. I did one craft fair with my wares and had fun, but I haven't developed marketing around it. But maybe I will!! Sounds like it is very useful to people! And the Devil's club would be such a great new thing I'm sure. Rozz Fernando Bernall wrote: > Hi Deb, > > I've been making incense for the last couple of years using herbs from > my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy regularly > and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I found out that the > sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the formula. > > Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added makko to > help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a > burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from better > sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and musicians claim to > be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for > practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the patients > like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive to smoke are > not affected by the blend. > > Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it if you > wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com > > Regards, > > Fernando Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Rozz, I get all my herbs from Golden Needle in North Carolina. I've tried other companies but their herbs were not as fragrant as Golden Needle's. All the resins are powdered by hand in a Mexican mortar, very slowly to avoid heat and gumming/clumping. Making the incense is a ritual and very therapeutic for me..It's like cooking for the nose.. Fernando , Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote: > > Hi Fernanco, > > > Where do you get the fresh patchouli? I love my aloeswood, I got some > good stuff from Mayway, but there have been other levels of quality. The > sandlewood I got worked great, if I could only get the shavings down to > size, they are small blocks instead of any useful size for burning. How > did you do the resins, very small, just natural size? > > I use locally gathered stuff and a little bought stuff. Like Propolis, I > really really like it dropped into the moxa and then burning it later > when it dries. Cedar is also one of my favorites. All kinds of sages > make it into my moxa, and a local Spruce sap is also very fine!. I was > so excited when I found out I could burn stuff with the moxa. I hate > charcoal. I did one craft fair with my wares and had fun, but I haven't > developed marketing around it. But maybe I will!! Sounds like it is > very useful to people! And the Devil's club would be such a great new > thing I'm sure. > > Rozz > > > > Fernando Bernall wrote: > > Hi Deb, > > > > I've been making incense for the last couple of years using herbs from > > my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy regularly > > and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I found out that the > > sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the formula. > > > > Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added makko to > > help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a > > burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from better > > sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and musicians claim to > > be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for > > practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the patients > > like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive to smoke are > > not affected by the blend. > > > > Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it if you > > wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com > > > > Regards, > > > > Fernando > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2006 Report Share Posted February 13, 2006 Hi Fernando, I looked them up on the net and couldn't find them. Do they have and address I could write to? Thanks, Rozz - Fernando Bernall <fbernall Monday, February 13, 2006 1:34 pm Re: moxa for emotional disturbance > Hi Rozz, > > I get all my herbs from Golden Needle in North Carolina. I've tried > other companies but their herbs were not as fragrant as Golden > Needle's. > All the resins are powdered by hand in a Mexican mortar, very slowly > to avoid heat and gumming/clumping. Making the incense is a ritual and > very therapeutic for me..It's like cooking for the nose.. > > Fernando > > , Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 > wrote:> > > Hi Fernanco, > > > > > > Where do you get the fresh patchouli? I love my aloeswood, I got > some > > good stuff from Mayway, but there have been other levels of quality. > The > > sandlewood I got worked great, if I could only get the shavings > down to > > size, they are small blocks instead of any useful size for > burning. How > > did you do the resins, very small, just natural size? > > > > I use locally gathered stuff and a little bought stuff. Like > Propolis, I > > really really like it dropped into the moxa and then burning it > later > > when it dries. Cedar is also one of my favorites. All kinds of > sages > > make it into my moxa, and a local Spruce sap is also very fine!. > I was > > so excited when I found out I could burn stuff with the moxa. I > hate > > charcoal. I did one craft fair with my wares and had fun, but I > haven't > > developed marketing around it. But maybe I will!! Sounds like it > is > > very useful to people! And the Devil's club would be such a > great new > > thing I'm sure. > > > > Rozz > > > > > > > > Fernando Bernall wrote: > > > Hi Deb, > > > > > > I've been making incense for the last couple of years using > herbs from > > > my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy > regularly> > and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I > found out that the > > > sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the > formula. > > > > > > Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added > makko to > > > help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a > > > burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from > better> > sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and > musicians claim to > > > be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for > > > practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the > patients> > like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive > to smoke are > > > not affected by the blend. > > > > > > Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it > if you > > > wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Fernando > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Hey Rozz, Here's their number: 866-222-2999 Their herbs are of the highest quality.. Fernando , Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote: > > Hi Fernando, > > I looked them up on the net and couldn't find them. Do they have and address I could write to? > > Thanks, > Rozz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 14, 2006 Report Share Posted February 14, 2006 Deb, et al, Have you played around with different grades of moxa? What grade did you use in this case? Only obvious drawback is particulates that get inhaled, but for short-term therapeutic use it sounds great. ....mm See articles like: J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2005 Sep;68(17-18):1465-70. Adverse respiratory and irritant health effects in temple workers in Taiwan. Ho CK, Tseng WR, Yang CY. Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, Kaohsiung Medical University, Kaohsiung, Taiwan. Temple workers are potentially exposed to high concentrations of various pollutants emitted from incense burning. The purpose of this study was to assess whether or not there is an excess of adverse health outcomes among temple workers. A cross-sectional health survey was undertaken to investigate the prevalence of chronic respiratory symptoms and acute irritative symptoms among 109 temple workers (exposure group) and 118 church workers (control group) in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. Chronic cough symptoms were significantly more common among the exposed group. Our results also indicate that working in a temple increases the risk for the development of acute irritative symptoms, including nose and throat irritation. PMID: 16076759 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE] http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed , " Deb Marshall " <taichideb wrote: > Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic and quite horrible sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put it on a non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2006 Report Share Posted February 17, 2006 Hi Mark and everyone, What I've used so far is the fairly rough stuff - the grade that makes great cones, but is too rough to make good balls for warm needles or direct moxa. My latest moxa experiment is with a patient who's been in the hospital for the last 12 weeks out of 14; she's getting tx for leukemia, and had an unusually bad response to the chemo, picked up a staph infection, ended up in ICU, came out of it with intensive care psychosis, is having a truly terrible time with the drugs they've given her for that....can't burn moxa there, so I've put some in a small cheesecloth bag; her partner is warming it in his hands then holding it to her nose, she does the same for herself in her lucid periods. It doesn't seem to be as dramatically effective as burning moxa but it even so seems to be having some calming effect on her agitation. I'll know better in a few days, she's only had it since yesterday. ---Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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