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To patients I often describe moxa as having some of the same qualities of Sage

(expelling

demons/bad energy). Once when some fellow students and I were " smudging " our

student

clinic with Sage, our usually straight arrow Chinese professor said that in

China they used

Qing Hao for the same demonology purposes.

doug

 

, " Deb Marshall " <taichideb wrote:

>

> Hi Folks,

>

> Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a

patient

who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic and

quite horrible

sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put

it on a non-

flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an incense when

she was

feeling overwhelmed.

>

> It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me that

the effect was

immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part of the

grief, anxiety

and depression, and let her move into a space where she could grieve in a way

she felt was

productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control.

>

> I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is in

chronic pain

from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for acupuncture), whose

first

boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him, and

whose

father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a result is

dealing, not

particularly gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The teen's

mother called

me, desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and

grief and

anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition had

simply made her

condition worse.

>

> Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She

called me back

half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager, who had

been

screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone into

her room,

and did her homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept through

for the

first time in several weeks. The effect continues.

>

> Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions I'm

getting, to

pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and settle. The mind

becomes

focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of

feelings, but

rather that the feelings become the right size to experience without taking

over.

>

> Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious one of

fire!)

>

> ---Deb Marshall

>

>

>

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Hi Folks,

 

Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a

patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic

and quite horrible sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into

small cones, put it on a non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick,

and use it as an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed.

 

It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me that the

effect was immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part

of the grief, anxiety and depression, and let her move into a space where she

could grieve in a way she felt was productive and heartfull and not just frantic

and out of control.

 

I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is in

chronic pain from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for

acupuncture), whose first boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that

threatened to paralyze him, and whose father, a life-long alcoholic, has

recently stopped drinking but as a result is dealing, not particularly

gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The teen's mother called me,

desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and

grief and anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition

had simply made her condition worse.

 

Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She called

me back half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager,

who had been screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the

moxa cone into her room, and did her homework. That night after burning a second

cone she slept through for the first time in several weeks. The effect

continues.

 

Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions I'm

getting, to pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and

settle. The mind becomes focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither

reports a deadening of feelings, but rather that the feelings become the right

size to experience without taking over.

 

Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious one of

fire!)

 

---Deb Marshall

 

 

 

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Dear Deb,

 

Two summers ago I was in New Mexico at Zev's plant workshop. In their

Taos local herb store I ran into a great book that has a lot of

information about smokes. Smokes affect the brain quite readily and have

been used psychologically for a long time in native cultures. This

information did a lot towards repairing my relationship to tobacco, a

severely abused plant that does have some potent gifts for humans. Too

bad for us all the abuse and corporation alterations that has gone on.

 

The books title is " Smoke Plants of North America " The website is:

 

http://www.smokeplants.com/index.html

 

Ann was there and she tried the smokes with me a couple of the nights.

HI Ann!!! Maybe she can chip in with her view if she has one.

 

Well, that's all I can report officially. Unofficially, I've grown to

like Devil's club bark in my smokes and find that it supports the Zhong

Qi or upright Qi. I have also found that my local artemisia plant

worked wonderful for the same purpose as moxa and is fresher. Artemesia

absinthe,though, is too strong on the tranquilizing side to use for

calming purposes especially because it also has some toxins in

them(ledol oil). I also found out on one research foray that Bai Ji Li

or tribulus and Lilly stamen have both been used as a smoke ingredients

by the Chinese, but I can't comment on what for nor have I tried them.

 

Rozz

 

 

Deb Marshall wrote:

> Hi Folks,

>

> Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa wool to a

patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic

and quite horrible sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into

small cones, put it on a non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick,

and use it as an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed.

>

> It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me that

the effect was immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil

part of the grief, anxiety and depression, and let her move into a space where

she could grieve in a way she felt was productive and heartfull and not just

frantic and out of control.

>

> I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is in

chronic pain from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for

acupuncture), whose first boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that

threatened to paralyze him, and whose father, a life-long alcoholic, has

recently stopped drinking but as a result is dealing, not particularly

gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The teen's mother called me,

desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and

grief and anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition

had simply made her condition worse.

>

> Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She

called me back half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the

teenager, who had been screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, "

took the moxa cone into her room, and did her homework. That night after burning

a second cone she slept through for the first time in several weeks. The effect

continues.

>

> Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions I'm

getting, to pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and

settle. The mind becomes focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither

reports a deadening of feelings, but rather that the feelings become the right

size to experience without taking over.

>

> Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious one of

fire!)

>

> ---Deb Marshall

>

>

>

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I have also heard, Chen Pi...

 

-

 

 

>

>

> On Behalf Of

> Saturday, February 11, 2006 3:34 PM

>

> Re: moxa for emotional disturbance

>

> To patients I often describe moxa as having some of the same qualities of

> Sage (expelling

> demons/bad energy). Once when some fellow students and I were " smudging "

> our student

> clinic with Sage, our usually straight arrow Chinese professor said that

> in China they used

> Qing Hao for the same demonology purposes.

> doug

>

> , " Deb Marshall " <taichideb

> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Folks,

> >

> > Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa

> wool to a patient

> who was experiencing terrible grief and despair following the traumatic

> and quite horrible

> sudden death of her partner, with instruction to make it into small cones,

> put it on a non-

> flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as an

> incense when she was

> feeling overwhelmed.

> >

> > It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell me

> that the effect was

> immediate and profound: it calmed her down, dissipated the evil part of

> the grief, anxiety

> and depression, and let her move into a space where she could grieve in a

> way she felt was

> productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control.

> >

> > I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager who is

> in chronic pain

> from an old neck injury (afraid of needles, won't come for acupuncture),

> whose first

> boyfriend had just experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him,

> and whose

> father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a

> result is dealing, not

> particularly gracefully or privately, with his addiction demons. The

> teen's mother called

> me, desperate one day - her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of

> fear and grief and

> anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition had

> simply made her

> condition worse.

> >

> > Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions. She

> called me back

> half an hour later to report that the minute she lit it the teenager, who

> had been

> screaming and crying, stopped, said, " Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone

> into her room,

> and did her homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept

> through for the

> first time in several weeks. The effect continues.

> >

> > Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the descriptions

> I'm getting, to

> pull the scattered qi together and allow the shen to calm and settle. The

> mind becomes

> focussed and anxiety and fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of

> feelings, but

> rather that the feelings become the right size to experience without

> taking over.

> >

> > Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the obvious

> one of fire!)

> >

> > ---Deb Marshall

> >

> >

> >

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Hi Deb,

 

I've been making incense for the last couple of years using herbs from

my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy regularly

and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I found out that the

sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the formula.

 

Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added makko to

help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a

burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from better

sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and musicians claim to

be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for

practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the patients

like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive to smoke are

not affected by the blend.

 

Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it if you

wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com

 

Regards,

 

Fernando

 

 

, " Deb Marshall "

<taichideb wrote:

>

> Hi Folks,

>

> Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa

wool to a patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair

following the traumatic and quite horrible sudden death of her

partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put it on a

non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as

an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed.

>

> It worked like a miracle - she called a couple of days later to tell

me that the effect was immediate and profound: it calmed her down,

dissipated the evil part of the grief, anxiety and depression, and let

her move into a space where she could grieve in a way she felt was

productive and heartfull and not just frantic and out of control.

>

> I tried it again a couple of weeks ago, this time with a teenager

who is in chronic pain from an old neck injury (afraid of needles,

won't come for acupuncture), whose first boyfriend had just

experienced a trauma that threatened to paralyze him, and whose

father, a life-long alcoholic, has recently stopped drinking but as a

result is dealing, not particularly gracefully or privately, with his

addiction demons. The teen's mother called me, desperate one day -

her kid was having nearly hysterical bouts of fear and grief and

anxiety, not sleeping, etc. Western drugs prescribed for the condition

had simply made her condition worse.

>

> Again, I gave her a handful of moxa wool with the same instructions.

She called me back half an hour later to report that the minute she

lit it the teenager, who had been screaming and crying, stopped, said,

" Oh, that's good, " took the moxa cone into her room, and did her

homework. That night after burning a second cone she slept through for

the first time in several weeks. The effect continues.

>

> Can anyone tell me why this is working? It seems, from the

descriptions I'm getting, to pull the scattered qi together and allow

the shen to calm and settle. The mind becomes focussed and anxiety and

fear is expelled. Neither reports a deadening of feelings, but rather

that the feelings become the right size to experience without taking over.

>

> Can anyone see any dangers in using moxa this way (besides the

obvious one of fire!)

>

> ---Deb Marshall

>

>

>

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Hi Fernanco,

 

 

Where do you get the fresh patchouli? I love my aloeswood, I got some

good stuff from Mayway, but there have been other levels of quality. The

sandlewood I got worked great, if I could only get the shavings down to

size, they are small blocks instead of any useful size for burning. How

did you do the resins, very small, just natural size?

 

I use locally gathered stuff and a little bought stuff. Like Propolis, I

really really like it dropped into the moxa and then burning it later

when it dries. Cedar is also one of my favorites. All kinds of sages

make it into my moxa, and a local Spruce sap is also very fine!. I was

so excited when I found out I could burn stuff with the moxa. I hate

charcoal. I did one craft fair with my wares and had fun, but I haven't

developed marketing around it. But maybe I will!! Sounds like it is

very useful to people! And the Devil's club would be such a great new

thing I'm sure.

 

Rozz

 

 

 

Fernando Bernall wrote:

> Hi Deb,

>

> I've been making incense for the last couple of years using herbs from

> my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy regularly

> and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I found out that the

> sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the formula.

>

> Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added makko to

> help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a

> burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from better

> sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and musicians claim to

> be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for

> practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the patients

> like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive to smoke are

> not affected by the blend.

>

> Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it if you

> wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com

>

> Regards,

>

> Fernando

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Hi Rozz,

 

I get all my herbs from Golden Needle in North Carolina. I've tried

other companies but their herbs were not as fragrant as Golden Needle's.

 

All the resins are powdered by hand in a Mexican mortar, very slowly

to avoid heat and gumming/clumping. Making the incense is a ritual and

very therapeutic for me..It's like cooking for the nose..

 

Fernando

 

, Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote:

>

> Hi Fernanco,

>

>

> Where do you get the fresh patchouli? I love my aloeswood, I got some

> good stuff from Mayway, but there have been other levels of quality.

The

> sandlewood I got worked great, if I could only get the shavings down to

> size, they are small blocks instead of any useful size for burning. How

> did you do the resins, very small, just natural size?

>

> I use locally gathered stuff and a little bought stuff. Like

Propolis, I

> really really like it dropped into the moxa and then burning it later

> when it dries. Cedar is also one of my favorites. All kinds of sages

> make it into my moxa, and a local Spruce sap is also very fine!. I was

> so excited when I found out I could burn stuff with the moxa. I hate

> charcoal. I did one craft fair with my wares and had fun, but I

haven't

> developed marketing around it. But maybe I will!! Sounds like it is

> very useful to people! And the Devil's club would be such a great new

> thing I'm sure.

>

> Rozz

>

>

>

> Fernando Bernall wrote:

> > Hi Deb,

> >

> > I've been making incense for the last couple of years using herbs from

> > my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy regularly

> > and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I found out that the

> > sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the formula.

> >

> > Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added makko to

> > help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a

> > burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from better

> > sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and musicians claim to

> > be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for

> > practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the patients

> > like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive to smoke are

> > not affected by the blend.

> >

> > Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it if you

> > wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com

> >

> > Regards,

> >

> > Fernando

>

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Hi Fernando,

 

I looked them up on the net and couldn't find them. Do they have and address I

could write to?

 

Thanks,

Rozz

 

-

Fernando Bernall <fbernall

Monday, February 13, 2006 1:34 pm

Re: moxa for emotional disturbance

 

 

> Hi Rozz,

>

> I get all my herbs from Golden Needle in North Carolina. I've tried

> other companies but their herbs were not as fragrant as Golden

> Needle's.

> All the resins are powdered by hand in a Mexican mortar, very slowly

> to avoid heat and gumming/clumping. Making the incense is a ritual and

> very therapeutic for me..It's like cooking for the nose..

>

> Fernando

>

> , Rozz Lieght <Rusty7

> wrote:>

> > Hi Fernanco,

> >

> >

> > Where do you get the fresh patchouli? I love my aloeswood, I got

> some

> > good stuff from Mayway, but there have been other levels of quality.

> The

> > sandlewood I got worked great, if I could only get the shavings

> down to

> > size, they are small blocks instead of any useful size for

> burning. How

> > did you do the resins, very small, just natural size?

> >

> > I use locally gathered stuff and a little bought stuff. Like

> Propolis, I

> > really really like it dropped into the moxa and then burning it

> later

> > when it dries. Cedar is also one of my favorites. All kinds of

> sages

> > make it into my moxa, and a local Spruce sap is also very fine!.

> I was

> > so excited when I found out I could burn stuff with the moxa. I

> hate

> > charcoal. I did one craft fair with my wares and had fun, but I

> haven't

> > developed marketing around it. But maybe I will!! Sounds like it

> is

> > very useful to people! And the Devil's club would be such a

> great new

> > thing I'm sure.

> >

> > Rozz

> >

> >

> >

> > Fernando Bernall wrote:

> > > Hi Deb,

> > >

> > > I've been making incense for the last couple of years using

> herbs from

> > > my tcm apothecary. I can't keep it on the shelf. People buy

> regularly> > and all types of positive feedback keeps coming. I

> found out that the

> > > sells were not as good when I did not include moxa in the

> formula.

> > >

> > > Since I wanted to keep salt peter out of the blend, I added

> makko to

> > > help the burning process. I run out of makko and used moxa as a

> > > burning agent instead. Since then, I get reports ranging from

> better> > sleep to psychic experiences. The local artists and

> musicians claim to

> > > be more creative while burning the incense. I just like it for

> > > practicing taiji or qi gong. I burn it in my practice and the

> patients> > like it. I also noticed that patients who are sensitive

> to smoke are

> > > not affected by the blend.

> > >

> > > Anyway, I have the formula on my site and feel free to use it

> if you

> > > wish. http://www.oldcityincense.com

> > >

> > > Regards,

> > >

> > > Fernando

> >

Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services,

> including board approved continuing education classes, an annual

> conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine.

>

>

>

>

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Hey Rozz,

 

Here's their number: 866-222-2999 Their herbs are of the highest

quality..

 

Fernando

 

, Rozz Lieght <Rusty7 wrote:

>

> Hi Fernando,

>

> I looked them up on the net and couldn't find them. Do they have

and address I could write to?

>

> Thanks,

> Rozz

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Deb, et al,

 

Have you played around with different grades of moxa? What grade did

you use in this case?

 

Only obvious drawback is particulates that get inhaled, but for

short-term therapeutic use it sounds great.

 

....mm

 

See articles like:

 

J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2005 Sep;68(17-18):1465-70.

Adverse respiratory and irritant health effects in temple workers in

Taiwan. Ho CK, Tseng WR, Yang CY.

 

Institute of Occupational Safety and Health, Kaohsiung Medical

University, Kaohsiung, Taiwan.

 

Temple workers are potentially exposed to high concentrations of

various pollutants emitted from incense burning. The purpose of this

study was to assess whether or not there is an excess of adverse

health outcomes among temple workers. A cross-sectional health survey

was undertaken to investigate the prevalence of chronic respiratory

symptoms and acute irritative symptoms among 109 temple workers

(exposure group) and 118 church workers (control group) in Kaohsiung,

Taiwan. Chronic cough symptoms were significantly more common among

the exposed group. Our results also indicate that working in a temple

increases the risk for the development of acute irritative symptoms,

including nose and throat irritation.

PMID: 16076759 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?DB=pubmed

 

, " Deb Marshall "

<taichideb wrote:

 

> Six weeks ago I was struck with an inspiration to give a wad of moxa

wool to a patient who was experiencing terrible grief and despair

following the traumatic and quite horrible sudden death of her

partner, with instruction to make it into small cones, put it on a

non-flammable surface, light it with an incense stick, and use it as

an incense when she was feeling overwhelmed...

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Hi Mark and everyone,

 

What I've used so far is the fairly rough stuff - the grade that makes great

cones, but is too rough to make good balls for warm needles or direct moxa.

 

My latest moxa experiment is with a patient who's been in the hospital for

the last 12 weeks out of 14; she's getting tx for leukemia, and had an

unusually bad response to the chemo, picked up a staph infection, ended up

in ICU, came out of it with intensive care psychosis, is having a truly

terrible time with the drugs they've given her for that....can't burn moxa

there, so I've put some in a small cheesecloth bag; her partner is warming

it in his hands then holding it to her nose, she does the same for herself

in her lucid periods. It doesn't seem to be as dramatically effective as

burning moxa but it even so seems to be having some calming effect on her

agitation. I'll know better in a few days, she's only had it since

yesterday.

 

---Deb

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