Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Yes and a few months ago, in the news was a case of a teenaged girl whose boyfriend had recently eaten peanuts, and who died of anaphylactic shock from " just one kiss...that's all it took. " Please forgive the insensitivity, but in all seriousness anaphylaxis is quite prevalent. You might notice that many natural food products and drinks, as a disclaimer will say that they are produced in a " facility that shares equipment with milk, soy and peanuts " , to protect themselves from lawsuits. Just one more anecdote: A local rabbi's family came down with strep. The rabbi's son had the most serious case and his doctor prescribed a course of amoxicillin. The rabbi, himself , had previously had some throat tightening when last he had taken penicillin, but " couldn't afford to get sick " and " prophylactically " decided to take a dose of his son's amoxicillin. He went into anaphylactic shock and left a widow and 9 children. May we never know such tragedy! Yehuda leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: Hi there, actually, solanaceae plants can be associated with anaphylaxis. Just yesterday I was at a picnic and there was a guy there whose daughter was anaphylactically allergic to cashews, and as we were talking the subject came up of a case that was one of the most extreme doctors had seen, where apparantly a person died of an anaphylactic reaction to just the steam vapour rising off a pot of cooking tomatoes. They were a known allergen for the person, but they didnt expect a reaction like THAT. This is just anecdotal, but Im going to try and track it down, if possible. , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Hi Gus, > > Indeed they are available. Check out www.glutenfreemall.com > > All the best, > > Yehuda > > > > > > Gus Turpin <tonics wrote: > > > but grains similar to wheat such as barley, rye, oats and spelt > can precipitate > > allergy even without the gluten. > > Yehuda > > Hi Yehuda, Are these grains available in a deglutenized form? > They all contain it otherwise, although in lesser amounts that regular > wheats (kamut and spelt are the most closely related to common wheats). > Gus Turpin > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 Yehuda when i heard about the kiss story my first reaction was there must be some behavioral learned conditioning to the immune system. she did not ingest enough antgin to cause the reaction but she reacted anyway. Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:01 PM kiss of death Yes and a few months ago, in the news was a case of a teenaged girl whose boyfriend had recently eaten peanuts, and who died of anaphylactic shock from " just one kiss...that's all it took. " Please forgive the insensitivity, but in all seriousness anaphylaxis is quite prevalent. You might notice that many natural food products and drinks, as a disclaimer will say that they are produced in a " facility that shares equipment with milk, soy and peanuts " , to protect themselves from lawsuits. Just one more anecdote: A local rabbi's family came down with strep. The rabbi's son had the most serious case and his doctor prescribed a course of amoxicillin. The rabbi, himself , had previously had some throat tightening when last he had taken penicillin, but " couldn't afford to get sick " and " prophylactically " decided to take a dose of his son's amoxicillin. He went into anaphylactic shock and left a widow and 9 children. May we never know such tragedy! Yehuda leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: Hi there, actually, solanaceae plants can be associated with anaphylaxis. Just yesterday I was at a picnic and there was a guy there whose daughter was anaphylactically allergic to cashews, and as we were talking the subject came up of a case that was one of the most extreme doctors had seen, where apparantly a person died of an anaphylactic reaction to just the steam vapour rising off a pot of cooking tomatoes. They were a known allergen for the person, but they didnt expect a reaction like THAT. This is just anecdotal, but Im going to try and track it down, if possible. , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Hi Gus, > > Indeed they are available. Check out www.glutenfreemall.com > > All the best, > > Yehuda > > > > > > Gus Turpin <tonics wrote: > > > but grains similar to wheat such as barley, rye, oats and spelt > can precipitate > > allergy even without the gluten. > > Yehuda > > Hi Yehuda, Are these grains available in a deglutenized form? > They all contain it otherwise, although in lesser amounts that regular > wheats (kamut and spelt are the most closely related to common wheats). > Gus Turpin > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2006 Report Share Posted March 26, 2006 But again, Alon, I really do suspect that this is not that isolated, for why else the disclaimer on so many products? <alonmarcus wrote: Yehuda when i heard about the kiss story my first reaction was there must be some behavioral learned conditioning to the immune system. she did not ingest enough antgin to cause the reaction but she reacted anyway. Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:01 PM kiss of death Yes and a few months ago, in the news was a case of a teenaged girl whose boyfriend had recently eaten peanuts, and who died of anaphylactic shock from " just one kiss...that's all it took. " Please forgive the insensitivity, but in all seriousness anaphylaxis is quite prevalent. You might notice that many natural food products and drinks, as a disclaimer will say that they are produced in a " facility that shares equipment with milk, soy and peanuts " , to protect themselves from lawsuits. Just one more anecdote: A local rabbi's family came down with strep. The rabbi's son had the most serious case and his doctor prescribed a course of amoxicillin. The rabbi, himself , had previously had some throat tightening when last he had taken penicillin, but " couldn't afford to get sick " and " prophylactically " decided to take a dose of his son's amoxicillin. He went into anaphylactic shock and left a widow and 9 children. May we never know such tragedy! Yehuda leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: Hi there, actually, solanaceae plants can be associated with anaphylaxis. Just yesterday I was at a picnic and there was a guy there whose daughter was anaphylactically allergic to cashews, and as we were talking the subject came up of a case that was one of the most extreme doctors had seen, where apparantly a person died of an anaphylactic reaction to just the steam vapour rising off a pot of cooking tomatoes. They were a known allergen for the person, but they didnt expect a reaction like THAT. This is just anecdotal, but Im going to try and track it down, if possible. , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Hi Gus, > > Indeed they are available. Check out www.glutenfreemall.com > > All the best, > > Yehuda > > > > > > Gus Turpin <tonics wrote: > > > but grains similar to wheat such as barley, rye, oats and spelt > can precipitate > > allergy even without the gluten. > > Yehuda > > Hi Yehuda, Are these grains available in a deglutenized form? > They all contain it otherwise, although in lesser amounts that regular > wheats (kamut and spelt are the most closely related to common wheats). > Gus Turpin > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 There was also a tragic story about a woman who died, on her honeymoon, after a waiter walked by the table with a platter of steaming shrimp. And I personally became anaphylactic to wasp stings. After having been stung numerous times in the past with only local irritation. I made it to the hospital with minutes to spare. I carry an epi pen with everywhere. Cara > Yehuda > when i heard about the kiss story my first reaction was there must be some > behavioral learned conditioning to the immune system. she did not ingest > enough antgin to cause the reaction but she reacted anyway. > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > yehuda frischman > > Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:01 PM > kiss of death > > > Yes and a few months ago, in the news was a case of a teenaged girl whose > boyfriend had recently eaten peanuts, and who died of anaphylactic shock from > " just one kiss...that's all it took. " > > Please forgive the insensitivity, but in all seriousness anaphylaxis is > quite prevalent. You might notice that many natural food products and drinks, > as a disclaimer will say that they are produced in a " facility that shares > equipment with milk, soy and peanuts " , to protect themselves from lawsuits. > > Just one more anecdote: A local rabbi's family came down with strep. The > rabbi's son had the most serious case and his doctor prescribed a course of > amoxicillin. The rabbi, himself , had previously had some throat tightening > when last he had taken penicillin, but " couldn't afford to get sick " and > " prophylactically " decided to take a dose of his son's amoxicillin. He went > into anaphylactic shock and left a widow and 9 children. > > May we never know such tragedy! > > Yehuda > > > leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: Hi there, actually, solanaceae plants > can be associated with > anaphylaxis. Just yesterday I was at a picnic and there was a guy > there whose daughter was anaphylactically allergic to cashews, and > as we were talking the subject came up of a case that was one of the > most extreme doctors had seen, where apparantly a person died of an > anaphylactic reaction to just the steam vapour rising off a pot of > cooking tomatoes. They were a known allergen for the person, but > they didnt expect a reaction like THAT. This is just anecdotal, but > Im going to try and track it down, if possible. > > , yehuda frischman > < wrote: >> > >> > Hi Gus, >> > >> > Indeed they are available. Check out www.glutenfreemall.com >> > >> > All the best, >> > >> > Yehuda >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Gus Turpin <tonics wrote: >> > >>> > > but grains similar to wheat such as barley, rye, oats and spelt >> > can precipitate >>> > > allergy even without the gluten. >>> > > Yehuda >> > >> > Hi Yehuda, Are these grains available in a deglutenized form? >> > They all contain it otherwise, although in lesser amounts that > regular >> > wheats (kamut and spelt are the most closely related to common > wheats). >> > Gus Turpin >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, > including board approved continuing education classes, an annual > conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 i think these products actually contain small amounts. But again is this some kind of learned reaction without enough antigen? i wander Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Sunday, March 26, 2006 10:55 PM Re: kiss of death But again, Alon, I really do suspect that this is not that isolated, for why else the disclaimer on so many products? <alonmarcus wrote: Yehuda when i heard about the kiss story my first reaction was there must be some behavioral learned conditioning to the immune system. she did not ingest enough antgin to cause the reaction but she reacted anyway. Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Sunday, March 26, 2006 8:01 PM kiss of death Yes and a few months ago, in the news was a case of a teenaged girl whose boyfriend had recently eaten peanuts, and who died of anaphylactic shock from " just one kiss...that's all it took. " Please forgive the insensitivity, but in all seriousness anaphylaxis is quite prevalent. You might notice that many natural food products and drinks, as a disclaimer will say that they are produced in a " facility that shares equipment with milk, soy and peanuts " , to protect themselves from lawsuits. Just one more anecdote: A local rabbi's family came down with strep. The rabbi's son had the most serious case and his doctor prescribed a course of amoxicillin. The rabbi, himself , had previously had some throat tightening when last he had taken penicillin, but " couldn't afford to get sick " and " prophylactically " decided to take a dose of his son's amoxicillin. He went into anaphylactic shock and left a widow and 9 children. May we never know such tragedy! Yehuda leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: Hi there, actually, solanaceae plants can be associated with anaphylaxis. Just yesterday I was at a picnic and there was a guy there whose daughter was anaphylactically allergic to cashews, and as we were talking the subject came up of a case that was one of the most extreme doctors had seen, where apparantly a person died of an anaphylactic reaction to just the steam vapour rising off a pot of cooking tomatoes. They were a known allergen for the person, but they didnt expect a reaction like THAT. This is just anecdotal, but Im going to try and track it down, if possible. , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Hi Gus, > > Indeed they are available. Check out www.glutenfreemall.com > > All the best, > > Yehuda > > > > > > Gus Turpin <tonics wrote: > > > but grains similar to wheat such as barley, rye, oats and spelt > can precipitate > > allergy even without the gluten. > > Yehuda > > Hi Yehuda, Are these grains available in a deglutenized form? > They all contain it otherwise, although in lesser amounts that regular > wheats (kamut and spelt are the most closely related to common wheats). > Gus Turpin > > > > > > Chinese Herbal Medicine offers various professional services, including board approved continuing education classes, an annual conference and a free discussion forum in Chinese Herbal Medicine. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Coroner: Lack of oxygen, not peanut-butter kiss, killed girl Monday, March 6, 2006 Posted: 1724 GMT (0124 HKT) MONTREAL, Quebec (AP) -- A teenager with a peanut allergy did not die from kissing her boyfriend following his peanut-butter snack, but from a lack of oxygen to her brain, a Quebec coroner said Monday. ....Miron said the girl and her boyfriend kissed, but many hours after he ate the peanut-butter snack. By then he had ingested other foods such as popcorn and beer. The saliva generated in the process also would have cleansed his mouth before the kiss, Miron said. http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/03/06/peanut.kiss.ap/ http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20060303/peanut_allergy_0603\ 03/20060303?hub=Canada http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/americas/03/05/peanut.kiss.ap/index.html , yehuda frischman < wrote: > > Yes and a few months ago, in the news was a case of a teenaged girl whose boyfriend had recently eaten peanuts, and who died of anaphylactic shock from " just one kiss...that's all it took. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 This was an article printed in the BBC news during the time when it was reported the girl had died from the peaunut butter 'kiss.' It is an article that describes why scientists think peanuts in particular, are a common allergen in people. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4022329.stm ....and then here is a follow up article that reports that the peanut butter didn't kill the girl. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4778740.stm hope this is of interest to you - t _______________ On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 Actually, in severe peanut allergy, just a tiny topical exposure can cause a reaction. Touching it to the lips or mouth, a kiss, any contact with the allergen. I knew somebody who would get symptoms when people would open their peanut bags on an airplane. The tiny amount of airborne peanut particles would cause a reaction. - Bill Schoenbart .................................... Bill Schoenbart, L.Ac. PO Box 8099 Santa Cruz, CA 95061 831-335-3165 plantmed >>>when i heard about the kiss story my first reaction was there must be some behavioral learned conditioning to the immune system. she did not ingest enough antgin to cause the reaction but she reacted anyway.>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2006 Report Share Posted March 27, 2006 I have a patient with a teenage daughter who has bad reactions to milk; she experienced the same reactions from kissing her boyfriend who had been drinking milk not long before; and has also had the reactions from visiting an ice cream factory on a school field trip. Not as deadly as anaphylactic shock, but bad enough to send her to her MD and be very sick in each instance for most of a week. This last is particulary disturbing as it was apparently just the vapor that caused the response. ---Deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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