MS and Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

 

Does anyone have experience treating MS with Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang.

 

I have a 50 year old male, diagnosed 10 years ago. Condition slowly

worsening wiout remission periods.

 

Some wasting in upper body, but mostly balance problems and problems walking

because leg weakness. Very thin legs. Numbness and tingling in fingers and

toes. Some loss of bladder function. Thin deep rapid wiry pulse. Tongue

slightly swollen, red dry.

 

He is not taking any western drugs. Neurologist wants to put him on

interferon drug but he has committed to 3 moths working with me to see if he

gets positive results before.

 

He had a weird case of measles at age 20.

 

I was looking at Immortal Qi from Blue Poppy:

 

Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

Hong Jing Tian (Radix Rhodiolae Roseae)

Chuan Xiong (Rhizoma Chuanxiong)

Mai Men Dong (Tuber Ophiopogonis)

Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae)

Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps Chinensis mycellium)

Tai Zi Shen (Radix Pseudostellariae)

Bai Zhu (Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae)

Dang Gui (Radix Angelicae Sinensis)

Man Jing Zi (Fructus Viticis)

Sheng Jiang (uncooked Rhizoma Zingiberis)

mix-fried Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)

Sheng Ma (Rhizoma Cimicifugae)

Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)

 

But I am not sure about using herbs that strengthen inmunity like Huang Qi

and Dong Chong Xia Cao in a case of autoimmune disorder.

 

I'll appreaciate your wisdom.

 

Thanks

 

Ferran

[Guest guest]

Why are you thinking Bu Zhong here? In some ways there may be more Yin xu, zhi

Bai di

huang wan, with the thin, wiry rapid pulse, the red dry tongue. That's just

looking at it

from here.

I assume you've seen:

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/ms & tcm.htm

 

 

doug

 

, " Enzo Blasco " <zoilander wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Does anyone have experience treating MS with Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang.

>

> I have a 50 year old male, diagnosed 10 years ago. Condition slowly

> worsening wiout remission periods.

>

> Some wasting in upper body, but mostly balance problems and problems walking

> because leg weakness. Very thin legs. Numbness and tingling in fingers and

> toes. Some loss of bladder function. Thin deep rapid wiry pulse. Tongue

> slightly swollen, red dry.

>

> He is not taking any western drugs. Neurologist wants to put him on

> interferon drug but he has committed to 3 moths working with me to see if he

> gets positive results before.

>

> He had a weird case of measles at age 20.

>

> I was looking at Immortal Qi from Blue Poppy:

>

> Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

> Hong Jing Tian (Radix Rhodiolae Roseae)

> Chuan Xiong (Rhizoma Chuanxiong)

> Mai Men Dong (Tuber Ophiopogonis)

> Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae)

> Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps Chinensis mycellium)

> Tai Zi Shen (Radix Pseudostellariae)

> Bai Zhu (Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae)

> Dang Gui (Radix Angelicae Sinensis)

> Man Jing Zi (Fructus Viticis)

> Sheng Jiang (uncooked Rhizoma Zingiberis)

> mix-fried Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)

> Sheng Ma (Rhizoma Cimicifugae)

> Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)

>

> But I am not sure about using herbs that strengthen inmunity like Huang Qi

> and Dong Chong Xia Cao in a case of autoimmune disorder.

>

> I'll appreaciate your wisdom.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ferran

>

[Guest guest]

Enzo,

 

If the formula matches the pattern, that's what counts. By that I mean

the formula matches the patient's presenting patterns and the

ingredients match the patient's presenting symptoms. If fatigue is a

part of the symptom-sign pictures, as it usually is in MS, then Huang

Qi is ok and used routinely in China for this condition regardless of

its ability to strengthen the immune system and that this is an

autoimmune disease. Think of it more as an adaptogen, or don't think

about it in Western medical terms at all.

 

Bob

 

, " Enzo Blasco "

<zoilander wrote:

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Does anyone have experience treating MS with Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang.

>

> I have a 50 year old male, diagnosed 10 years ago. Condition slowly

> worsening wiout remission periods.

>

> Some wasting in upper body, but mostly balance problems and problems

walking

> because leg weakness. Very thin legs. Numbness and tingling in

fingers and

> toes. Some loss of bladder function. Thin deep rapid wiry pulse. Tongue

> slightly swollen, red dry.

>

> He is not taking any western drugs. Neurologist wants to put him on

> interferon drug but he has committed to 3 moths working with me to

see if he

> gets positive results before.

>

> He had a weird case of measles at age 20.

>

> I was looking at Immortal Qi from Blue Poppy:

>

> Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

> Hong Jing Tian (Radix Rhodiolae Roseae)

> Chuan Xiong (Rhizoma Chuanxiong)

> Mai Men Dong (Tuber Ophiopogonis)

> Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae)

> Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps Chinensis mycellium)

> Tai Zi Shen (Radix Pseudostellariae)

> Bai Zhu (Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae)

> Dang Gui (Radix Angelicae Sinensis)

> Man Jing Zi (Fructus Viticis)

> Sheng Jiang (uncooked Rhizoma Zingiberis)

> mix-fried Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)

> Sheng Ma (Rhizoma Cimicifugae)

> Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)

>

> But I am not sure about using herbs that strengthen inmunity like

Huang Qi

> and Dong Chong Xia Cao in a case of autoimmune disorder.

>

> I'll appreaciate your wisdom.

>

> Thanks

>

> Ferran

>

[Guest guest]

Doug and Bob, thanks for your replies.

 

I did think of something more along Zhi Bai Di, but he seems more qi xu and

weak than yin xu. I felt Immortal Qi fits him pretty well. I'll try and see

how he does.

 

Doug, thanks also for the link.

 

Ferran

 

 

 

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> Re: MS and Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang

>Wed, 19 Apr 2006 05:37:31 -0000

>

>Why are you thinking Bu Zhong here? In some ways there may be more Yin xu,

>zhi Bai di

>huang wan, with the thin, wiry rapid pulse, the red dry tongue. That's just

>looking at it

>from here.

>I assume you've seen:

>http://www.itmonline.org/arts/ms & tcm.htm

>

>

>doug

>

> , " Enzo Blasco " <zoilander

>wrote:

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Does anyone have experience treating MS with Bu Zhong Yi Qi Tang.

> >

> > I have a 50 year old male, diagnosed 10 years ago. Condition slowly

> > worsening wiout remission periods.

> >

> > Some wasting in upper body, but mostly balance problems and problems

>walking

> > because leg weakness. Very thin legs. Numbness and tingling in fingers

>and

> > toes. Some loss of bladder function. Thin deep rapid wiry pulse. Tongue

> > slightly swollen, red dry.

> >

> > He is not taking any western drugs. Neurologist wants to put him on

> > interferon drug but he has committed to 3 moths working with me to see

>if he

> > gets positive results before.

> >

> > He had a weird case of measles at age 20.

> >

> > I was looking at Immortal Qi from Blue Poppy:

> >

> > Huang Qi (Radix Astragali)

> > Hong Jing Tian (Radix Rhodiolae Roseae)

> > Chuan Xiong (Rhizoma Chuanxiong)

> > Mai Men Dong (Tuber Ophiopogonis)

> > Wu Wei Zi (Fructus Schisandrae)

> > Dong Chong Xia Cao (Cordyceps Chinensis mycellium)

> > Tai Zi Shen (Radix Pseudostellariae)

> > Bai Zhu (Rhizoma Atractylodis Macrocephalae)

> > Dang Gui (Radix Angelicae Sinensis)

> > Man Jing Zi (Fructus Viticis)

> > Sheng Jiang (uncooked Rhizoma Zingiberis)

> > mix-fried Gan Cao (Radix Glycyrrhizae)

> > Sheng Ma (Rhizoma Cimicifugae)

> > Chai Hu (Radix Bupleuri)

> >

> > But I am not sure about using herbs that strengthen inmunity like Huang

>Qi

> > and Dong Chong Xia Cao in a case of autoimmune disorder.

> >

> > I'll appreaciate your wisdom.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > Ferran

> >

>

>

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