Guest guest Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 One last question on your adventure with B complex: Did you ever try the B's in sublingual co-enzyme form? B vitamins are notoriously poorly absorbed, just look at the urine of someone who's just taken them, even more so for someone with spleen qi xu. (Like they say, Americans have the richest urine in the world) Sublingual co-enzyme B complex takes the burdon off of the exocrine function of the pancreas and the small intestine (from a western perspective) and the spleen from a Chinese perspective. Yehuda Deb Marshall <taichideb wrote: Hi Yehuda and all, It was more than 18 years ago when I experimented with the B vitamins supplement and had the aggression response, so I don't know what my tongue and pulses would have been then. I was working as the editor and as a writer for several magazines at the time, and was certainly working hard at creating the spleen deficiency and deficient heat I now have! At the time I was about 30, working 7 days/week, long long hours (18-20 per day was common), mealtimes were inconsistant, I slept from 4 am 'til 10 am, and there was a lot of frustration, irritation, unaddressed anger which I emoted regularly but would be followed by a sense of helplessness and then aching depression - a cycle that took place just about every week or 10 days. So I'm pretty sure I would have been showing signs of liver qi stagnation, and I also most certainly had some blood stagnation (lots of large menstrual clots). I remember cold hands and feet, but also that I would get very hot - overheated - easily, but didn't flush easily - my face wouldn't redden, people couldn't make me blush if I chose not to (it was a choice, I had a lot of control over it and my blood pressure). One interesting thing from that time period was that my normal-range blood pressure would dip into the range of low-normal to low blood pressure the angrier I got (tested it on several occasions thinking that I was so incredibly angry that I must be about to blow the top of my head off). Apart from work and vit B experiments, I was exceptionally even-tempered. When I took the vit B it was as though my mind narrowed into a very sharp, very focussed point and I'd feel completely calm and cool but totally driven to pick a fight with anyone and everyone about anything. There weren't any symptoms of hypoglycemia, Phil, but I can say that at least half the time I was running on adrenaline rather than good, solid qi. About 5 years later, when I started drinking coffee, I discovered that a cup of coffee in the am killed my appetite for about 8 hours and then I'd suddenly - no warning - have a severe blood-sugar dip and be starving but also shaking, sweating, and internally very wobbly. I did try Vit Bs once during that time and it wasn't any different from my earlier reaction. Never tried Bs with sugar, however! The aggression I felt was so unpleasant for the people around me that I didn't do it more than 3 times, and then once more several years later to see whether it still happened (it did). I didn't find it unpleasant, I suppose because my spirits actually were lifted out of the depression and while I was that snarly growly aggressive person the vit B made me, I really didn't care that I was making everyone else miserable. ---Deb Marshall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2006 Report Share Posted May 4, 2006 Hi Yehuda and all, It was more than 18 years ago when I experimented with the B vitamins supplement and had the aggression response, so I don't know what my tongue and pulses would have been then. I was working as the editor and as a writer for several magazines at the time, and was certainly working hard at creating the spleen deficiency and deficient heat I now have! At the time I was about 30, working 7 days/week, long long hours (18-20 per day was common), mealtimes were inconsistant, I slept from 4 am 'til 10 am, and there was a lot of frustration, irritation, unaddressed anger which I emoted regularly but would be followed by a sense of helplessness and then aching depression - a cycle that took place just about every week or 10 days. So I'm pretty sure I would have been showing signs of liver qi stagnation, and I also most certainly had some blood stagnation (lots of large menstrual clots). I remember cold hands and feet, but also that I would get very hot - overheated - easily, but didn't flush easily - my face wouldn't redden, people couldn't make me blush if I chose not to (it was a choice, I had a lot of control over it and my blood pressure). One interesting thing from that time period was that my normal-range blood pressure would dip into the range of low-normal to low blood pressure the angrier I got (tested it on several occasions thinking that I was so incredibly angry that I must be about to blow the top of my head off). Apart from work and vit B experiments, I was exceptionally even-tempered. When I took the vit B it was as though my mind narrowed into a very sharp, very focussed point and I'd feel completely calm and cool but totally driven to pick a fight with anyone and everyone about anything. There weren't any symptoms of hypoglycemia, Phil, but I can say that at least half the time I was running on adrenaline rather than good, solid qi. About 5 years later, when I started drinking coffee, I discovered that a cup of coffee in the am killed my appetite for about 8 hours and then I'd suddenly - no warning - have a severe blood-sugar dip and be starving but also shaking, sweating, and internally very wobbly. I did try Vit Bs once during that time and it wasn't any different from my earlier reaction. Never tried Bs with sugar, however! The aggression I felt was so unpleasant for the people around me that I didn't do it more than 3 times, and then once more several years later to see whether it still happened (it did). I didn't find it unpleasant, I suppose because my spirits actually were lifted out of the depression and while I was that snarly growly aggressive person the vit B made me, I really didn't care that I was making everyone else miserable. ---Deb Marshall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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