Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Hi All, According to the PD there are only two pathomechanism for blood spillage (xue4yi4): damage to the network vessels due to external injury and qi failing to contain the blood. Is this correct? It was my understanding that, for example, heat/fire could damage the network vessels and cause blood spillage. Anybody got any insight of further information. Thanks, Thomas Chair Department of Herbal Medicine Institute of Clinical Acupuncture and Oriental Medicine Adjunct Faculty Department of Complimentary and Alternative Medicine John Burns School of Medicine University of Hawai'i Manoa Honolulu, HI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Thomas, I'm not familiar with many PD terms, but extreme heat can cause blood to leave the vessels. The exotic term for this is " reckless movement of hot blood " . - Bill Schoenbart >>>Hi All, According to the PD there are only two pathomechanism for blood spillage (xue4yi4): damage to the network vessels due to external injury and qi failing to contain the blood. Is this correct? It was my understanding that, for example, heat/fire could damage the network vessels and cause blood spillage. Anybody got any insight of further information. Thanks, Thomas>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2006 Report Share Posted May 5, 2006 Hi There are four pathomechanisms for bleeding Spleen qi vacuity Heat Blood stasis Traumatic injury hope it helps Gabe --- Bill Schoenbart <plantmed2 wrote: > Thomas, > > I'm not familiar with many PD terms, but extreme > heat can cause blood to > leave the vessels. The exotic term for this is > " reckless movement of hot > blood " . > > - Bill Schoenbart > > > > >>>Hi All, > > According to the PD there are only two > pathomechanism for blood spillage > (xue4yi4): damage to the network vessels due to > external injury and qi > failing to contain the blood. > > Is this correct? > > It was my understanding that, for example, heat/fire > could damage the > network vessels and cause blood spillage. > > Anybody got any insight of further information. > > Thanks, > Thomas>>> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Yes, the pathomechanism of spleen qi deficiency and heat causing bleeding is fairly obvious, but I remember wondering why blood stagnation would cause bleeding. One of my teachers explained it thus: (Give or take some chinglish) Just imagine a syringe with a blockage in it, or a blood vessel with a large clot in it. This is going to cause a blockage, and pressure builds up, and forces the blood to extravasate. Causing heavier bleeding (such as in the cases of heavy menses) or improper bleeding (macules etc). So far I have only come across blood stagnation causing bleeding in gynae cases, such as menorrhagia. Hope this helps, Regards, Lea. , gabe gabe <fuentes120 wrote: > > Hi > There are four pathomechanisms for bleeding > Spleen qi vacuity > Heat > Blood stasis > Traumatic injury > hope it helps > Gabe > > > --- Bill Schoenbart <plantmed2 wrote: > > > Thomas, > > > > I'm not familiar with many PD terms, but extreme > > heat can cause blood to > > leave the vessels. The exotic term for this is > > " reckless movement of hot > > blood " . > > > > - Bill Schoenbart > > > > > > > > >>>Hi All, > > > > According to the PD there are only two > > pathomechanism for blood spillage > > (xue4yi4): damage to the network vessels due to > > external injury and qi > > failing to contain the blood. > > > > Is this correct? > > > > It was my understanding that, for example, heat/fire > > could damage the > > network vessels and cause blood spillage. > > > > Anybody got any insight of further information. > > > > Thanks, > > Thomas>>> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2006 Report Share Posted May 6, 2006 Yes, that is one pathomecanism of bleeding from blood stasis, the other is stasis enduring for a prolonged period of time will give rise to heat and cause the blood to spill out of the vessels. Gabe --- leabun1 <leabun1 wrote: > Yes, the pathomechanism of spleen qi deficiency and > heat causing > bleeding is fairly obvious, but I remember wondering > why blood > stagnation would cause bleeding. One of my teachers > explained it > thus: (Give or take some chinglish) Just imagine a > syringe with a > blockage in it, or a blood vessel with a large clot > in it. This is > going to cause a blockage, and pressure builds up, > and forces the > blood to extravasate. Causing heavier bleeding (such > as in the cases > of heavy menses) or improper bleeding (macules etc). > So far I have > only come across blood stagnation causing bleeding > in gynae cases, > such as menorrhagia. > Hope this helps, > Regards, > Lea. > > , gabe gabe > > <fuentes120 wrote: > > > > Hi > > There are four pathomechanisms for bleeding > > Spleen qi vacuity > > Heat > > Blood stasis > > Traumatic injury > > hope it helps > > Gabe > > > > > > --- Bill Schoenbart <plantmed2 wrote: > > > > > Thomas, > > > > > > I'm not familiar with many PD terms, but extreme > > > heat can cause blood to > > > leave the vessels. The exotic term for this is > > > " reckless movement of hot > > > blood " . > > > > > > - Bill Schoenbart > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>Hi All, > > > > > > According to the PD there are only two > > > pathomechanism for blood spillage > > > (xue4yi4): damage to the network vessels due to > > > external injury and qi > > > failing to contain the blood. > > > > > > Is this correct? > > > > > > It was my understanding that, for example, > heat/fire > > > could damage the > > > network vessels and cause blood spillage. > > > > > > Anybody got any insight of further information. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Thomas>>> > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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