Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Have others used his products? Anyone have an opinion of the quality of his 'tonics' - He will i.e. sell a 2 oz bottle of supposed 'wild-crafted' ginseng for $350. A friend wants to buy it. From what he told me, it is a slow cook alcohol and water extraction process. IT sounds very high priced. Any comments? - <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 personally, I am not one of his fans.., but I knew Ron Teegardern only sells the tonic herbs with very high quality..., he is smart enough to sell OTC products. So, that is a " retail price " .. my two cents Christine --- wrote: > Have others used his products? Anyone have an > opinion of the quality of his > 'tonics' - He will i.e. sell a 2 oz bottle of > supposed 'wild-crafted' > ginseng for $350. A friend wants to buy it. From > what he told me, it is a > slow cook alcohol and water extraction process. IT > sounds very high priced. > Any comments? > > > > - > <Chinese Medicine> , > M.S., L.Ac. > > tel: > > > > > > > > > > <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> > Add me > to your address book... > <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature > like this? > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > Christine Wei Chang, LAc, MTOM BOD & Herbal Medicine Committee American Association of Oriental Medicine (AAOM) 310-951-8698 (cel) panasiaintl " I think, therefore I am. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Ron has been around my neighborhood for decades. He definetely deals in the high end of tonic herbs. Although one may wonder if a $350 dollar bottle of ginseng is worth it I don't doubt that he has priced it accordingly to his own costs. It's like the herbs that are kept under the counter at the Chinese herbalists, reserved only for the best customers. Some folks are into wine, some into tonic herbs. doug , " " wrote: > > Have others used his products? Anyone have an opinion of the quality of his > 'tonics' - He will i.e. sell a 2 oz bottle of supposed 'wild-crafted' > ginseng for $350. A friend wants to buy it. From what he told me, it is a > slow cook alcohol and water extraction process. IT sounds very high priced. > Any comments? > > > > - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Jason, I have recently started getting into Ron Teeguarden's company. His $350 ginseng is definitely pricey by general standards, but it is also pricey in relation to most of the rest of what he sells. His general prices are a bit higher than average but not much. He is definitely a connoisseur of quality " tonics, " and that is his niche. I have tried his Heaven Mountain goji berries, and they do seem to be better than other brands, including the so-called Himalayan berries. Teeguarden claims the Chinese government gives a label called " di dao " to herbs that come from the best sources for that herb, and that each herb, or at least each tonic herb, has its " di dao " location source, or sources. Ginseng's " di dao " source, for example, is Manchuria, and perhaps northern Korea--that area. That's where the best ginseng comes from, and from what I know, that is true. Teeguarden claims the " di dao " lycium berries come from Ningxia and Heaven Mountain, and that the Tibetan lycium berries are not awarded the " di dao " label. I have tried Teeguarden's Shen Drops and Lycium & Schisandra formulations, and they do seem to be of superior quality. He is like a higher-end car dealer. If you want a better car, you go in knowing that it will cost a little or a lot more than a run-of-the-mill car. If I had the money, I would buy the $350 ginseng. I believe it is probably more than worth the price considering the quality. I can't swear to that from personal experience yet, but from what experience I do have of his stuff and of how that experience and his presentations resonate in my gut, I do believe it. Joseph Garner, L.Ac. wrote: Have others used his products? Anyone have an opinion of the quality of his 'tonics' - He will i.e. sell a 2 oz bottle of supposed 'wild-crafted' ginseng for $350. A friend wants to buy it. From what he told me, it is a slow cook alcohol and water extraction process. IT sounds very high priced. Any comments? - <Chinese Medicine> tel: <https://www.plaxo.com/add_me?u=30064918855 & v0=295000 & k0=1975548621> Add me to your address book... <http://www.plaxo.com/signature> Want a signature like this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 BTW: it is spelled simply Ron Teagarden. doug > Teeguarden claims the Chinese government gives a label called " di dao " to herbs that come from the best sources for that herb, and that each herb, or at least each tonic herb, has its " di dao " location source, or sources. Ginseng's " di dao " source, for example, is Manchuria, and perhaps northern Korea--that area. That's where the best ginseng comes from, and from what I know, that is true. Teeguarden claims the " di dao " lycium berries come from Ningxia and Heaven Mountain, and that the Tibetan lycium berries are not awarded the " di dao " label. I have tried Teeguarden's Shen Drops and Lycium & Schisandra formulations, and they do seem to be of superior quality. He is like a higher-end car dealer. If you want a better car, you go in knowing that it will cost a little or a lot more than a run-of-the-mill car. If I had the money, I would buy the $350 ginseng. I believe it is probably more than worth the price considering the quality. I can't swear to that from personal > experience yet, but from what experience I do have of his stuff and of how that experience and his presentations resonate in my gut, I do believe it. > Joseph Garner, L.Ac. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 Doug, I double-checked myself to make sure I wasn't hallucinating and looked at his website, www.dragonherbs.com, and his name is spelled as I have spelled it--Teeguarden, for what it's worth. And I'm not necessarily a " fan " of his, either, but I do think he puts out the best quality supplementing herbs he can get his hands on. By the way, he says in his latest newsletter that he and a consortium of fellow foreigners have been chosen by the Bhutanese government to be the first foreigners allowed to export Bhutanese herbs. He says Bhutan has traditionally been the source of herbs for Tibetan medicine because of their superb quality and incredible diversity of plant life. Bhutan has kept itself out of world affairs for centuries, not because they were pissed off at the world like Myanmar (Burma) or thought they were better than the rest of us like the Japanese and Chinese did, but because they wanted to keep their land pristine, and as far as I can tell it is the most pristine land left on earth. I saw a show about it on TV years ago, and I was amazed. It has tropical jungles, lush farmlands, Himalayan peaks and mighty glacier-fed rivers, with plant and animal life in great abundance--everything but deserts and ocean. I suspect we are going to be hearing a lot about herbs from Bhutan in times to come. Joseph wrote: BTW: it is spelled simply Ron Teagarden. doug Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 You're right about the dragon herbs but I know his name used to be spelled teagarden. I know he sold his self-titled Teagarden herb shops here in LA and his mail order. Maybe he wanted to keep his identities seperate or maybe he had a mystical revelation. Or both. doug , Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 wrote: > > Doug, > I double-checked myself to make sure I wasn't hallucinating and looked at his website, www.dragonherbs.com, and his name is spelled as I have spelled it--Teeguarden, for what it's worth. And I'm not necessarily a " fan " of his, either, but I do think he puts out the best quality supplementing herbs he can get his hands on. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2006 Report Share Posted June 8, 2006 ron teegardern ginseng.... Some of the most ludicrously overpriced stuff for suckers, in my humble opinion. But I am used to going direct to the Chinese wholesale markets myself. Whenever buying extracts with wild ginseng, make sure that it is 100% wild, not wild mixed with cultivated. Keep in mind that less that 2% of the wild ginseng on the market is authentic. Most ¡°wild ginseng¡± that is sold is raised under cultivation and then is transplanted to the wild ecosystem so that it acquires wild characteristics. The authentic product follows a specific progression of node types on its ¡°neck,¡± and the neck is sometimes altered or switched to fool unwary consumers. Wild products also have rootlets of approximately equal length, and an intact ¡°shoulder¡± root that is an accessory to the main root. If the tap root is much longer than the shoulder and other rootlets, it suggests that the soil has been altered (i.e., the plant was transplanted to the wild). The fine rootlets should also have many small nodes, which indicate places where the rootlet tried to grow but encountered an obstruction (again, less prominent in altered soil). Finally, the striations on the body of the root should be dense and perfectly round, the circles should be unbroken. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I stand corrected. His original real name is indeed spelled Ron Teeguarden and apparently he has stopped using the Teagarden spelling because of the sale of the Teagarden business. Thanks to a former employee for setting the record, important as it is, straight. Now we can back to our former lives. doug , Joseph Garner <jhgarner_1 wrote: > > Doug, > I double-checked myself to make sure I wasn't hallucinating and looked at his website, www.dragonherbs.com, and his name is spelled as I have spelled it--Teeguarden, for what it's worth. And I'm not necessarily a " fan " of his, either, but I do think he puts out the best quality supplementing herbs he can get his hands on. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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