Chinese medicine and children

[Guest guest]

Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

I must say that I have cringed, not just once during

this thread. I despise it when pediatricians tell

kids disingenuously when they are about to put them

through a vaccination or some other painful procedure,

" you won't feel a thing " or " It'll hurt me more than

it hurts you, " when the fact remains, the kid may very

well be traumatized by a)the lying and resulting

betrayal b) the severe unexpected pain. Do you think

that a small child's pain is imagined? Do you think

that every child outgrows that feeling of trauma and

betrayal--especially in China? I would suggest that

some of the more insensitive and unfeeling people I

have met are that way for that very reason--they have

erected a hard protective shell as a coping mechanism.

It gets them functionally through life, but I

guarantee you, it will come back to haunt them later,

either with hypertension or with immune dysfunction.

(BTW, I would never subject any of my own children to

barbaric vaccinations, but that's another topic).

There are so many wonderful ways to effect healing for

children, including acupuncture, but what is required

is intelligence, sensitivity, kindness and a sense of

joy in what the physician is able to convey to the

child. For example, My mentor Dr. Zhong Ji taught me

a one needle method whereby a needle lightly taps (but

is not placed subdermally) rapidly the series of

indicated points in a prescription, one after the

other. I love your idea of enpowering the child by

needling you, Thomas. That's great! BTW, who says

that a small child has to experience needling as

painful, anyway?(unless that have already been

traumatized by the vaccination needle, of course!). I

am reminded of the wonderful look of awe and interest

on the infants face when needled at ST-36, in Mary

Loo's book " Pediatric Acupuncture " (pg 98). Note

also that the child is an Anglo--but really, does it

make a difference? I think not! Let us always

remember that what our medicine does to promote

wellness is affect balance. A child with the baggage

of trauma will have a much more difficult time getting

in balance, and will less likely develop laterliver qi

stagnation.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.,

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wrote:

 

> Chet (and Andrea),

>

> I agree with Doug. Although I do my best to keep

> the crying to a minimum or not at all it is not

> really very realistic. Children cry, its ok to cry,

> in fact they probably should be taught to cry more

> than they do, or at least the parents should learn

> to accept it as a part of growing up. Stop hushing

> the children!

>

> That being said, I would not even attempt bitong

> as a point for kids under 12-13 yo, and even then it

> is questionable. In fact, I rarely needle kids much

> younger than 8-10 yo, using xiaoke tuina instead. I

> use 32-36 guage needles, depending on the child.

>

> Another little trick I sometimes use, which I'm

> sure will lift some eyebrows out there, is I might

> let the child needle me. That's right your eyes are

> still working :-} I give them a tubed needle and

> have them tap it in in a fleshy area. Then I lift

> the tube up and have then play with it a little.

> This is a huge trust builder and has yet to fail.

> One note, NO MATTER WHAT YOU MUST KEEP A POKER FACE

> OR A SMILE when you're doing this. If they sense it

> hurts, your screwed.

>

> Sincerely,

>

>

>

> Chair Department of Herbal Medicine

> Institute of Clinical Acupuncture and Oriental

> Medicine

> Adjunct Faculty Department of Complimentary and

> Alternative Medicine

> John Burns School of Medicine University of Hawai'i

> Manoa

> Honolulu, HI

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda,

Thank you for this comment. I agree that such 'traumas' can leave imprints, the

depth of impact of which can't really be calculated. The 'Chinese style' of

acupuncture tends to rely on a 'one pain fits all' philosopy, and though I

respect the depth of what China has created in acupuncture, there is always room

for refinement. Therein lies the strength of the Japanese, of course. I have to

wonder if any of you have discovered that when someone is very sensitive to

needling, then that person really gets just as good results with

fewer/lighter/gentler technique. A little pain is sometimes good, but it's not

like if a little is good, more is better. Then again some will want to take

lower doses of whatever. I have a friend who will only take one tablet of an

herb formula, when 3 is the usual dose. He is happy with the response and the

speed of effect, even if it's a little slower.

 

And I've learned that one beer is enough for me. Don't really need more for the

desired effect. And looking back, did 3 glasses of wine ever make me feel better

than 1? ...okay - 2.

 

Enough philosophy, till later,

ann

 

 

Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

I must say that I have cringed, not just once during

this thread. I despise it when pediatricians tell

kids disingenuously when they are about to put them

through a vaccination or some other painful procedure,

" you won't feel a thing " or " It'll hurt me more than

it hurts you, " when the fact remains, the kid may very

well be traumatized by a)the lying and resulting

betrayal b) the severe unexpected pain. Do you think

that a small child's pain is imagined? Do you think

that every child outgrows that feeling of trauma and

betrayal--especially in China? I would suggest that

some of the more insensitive and unfeeling people I

have met are that way for that very reason--they have

erected a hard protective shell as a coping mechanism.

It gets them functionally through life, but I

guarantee you, it will come back to haunt them later,

either with hypertension or with immune dysfunction.

(BTW, I would never subject any of my own children to

barbaric vaccinations, but that's another topic).

There are so many wonderful ways to effect healing for

children, including acupuncture, but what is required

is intelligence, sensitivity, kindness and a sense of

joy in what the physician is able to convey to the

child. For example, My mentor Dr. Zhong Ji taught me

a one needle method whereby a needle lightly taps (but

is not placed subdermally) rapidly the series of

indicated points in a prescription, one after the

other. I love your idea of enpowering the child by

needling you, Thomas. That's great! BTW, who says

that a small child has to experience needling as

painful, anyway?(unless that have already been

traumatized by the vaccination needle, of course!). I

am reminded of the wonderful look of awe and interest

on the infants face when needled at ST-36, in Mary

Loo's book " Pediatric Acupuncture " (pg 98). Note

also that the child is an Anglo--but really, does it

make a difference? I think not! Let us always

remember that what our medicine does to promote

wellness is affect balance. A child with the baggage

of trauma will have a much more difficult time getting

in balance, and will less likely develop laterliver qi

stagnation.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac.,

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

I agree with you Yehuda about the effects of childhood trauma, the ones

that adults are very uncomfortable with, yet push on most likely because

of their own childhood experiences.

 

A good site for information on the effects of childhood trauma and the

first aid is this one:

 

http://www.traumahealing.com/

 

It includes some very interesting resources and articles that I have

found very useful.

 

I also wanted to say that the idea of letting the child poke the adult

was very good, one that I will try when I have the opportunity. Thanks

for that one Thomas.

 

Cheers,

Rozz Lieght

 

 

yehuda frischman wrote:

> Dear Friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> I must say that I have cringed, not just once during

> this thread. I despise it when pediatricians tell

> kids disingenuously when they are about to put them

> through a vaccination or some other painful procedure,

> " you won't feel a thing " or " It'll hurt me more than

> it hurts you, " when the fact remains, the kid may very

> well be traumatized by a)the lying and resulting

> betrayal b) the severe unexpected pain. Do you think

> that a small child's pain is imagined? Do you think

> that every child outgrows that feeling of trauma and

> betrayal--especially in China? I would suggest that