Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Au contrere, Alon. The essence of CST is following the guidance of the patient's inner wisdom, and rather than looking for a diagnosis and viewing the patient as " an other " , instead the CS therapist melds with the patient and follows the instructions received from within, without an agenda, ever sensitive to anamolies in the CS rhythm in terms of symmetry, rate, amplitude and quality. Therefore because we don't " force " or " trick " the body to make changes, the soma's natural guardedness and inhibition cease to be a barrier for change. THe process is further accelerated by needling the patient first. Furthermore, because we are treating the fascial network which runs uninterruptedly like a highway from the cranial apex to the feet, the CS rhythm can be felt anywhere and everywhere in the body, and as such every part of the body can be treated. The results are often rapid, dramatic and permanent. SER refers to the SomatoEmotional release, or trauma release fascilitated in CranioSacral therapy. TJM refers to Traditional Jewish Medicine. I moderate a discussion group addressing the parallels in theory and clinical applications between TJM and TCM. For more information about TJM feel free to contact me privately. Sincerely, Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac., CST, SER, TJM --- <alonmarcus wrote: > Yehuda > I understand what you are saying but i would not use > these words: " and involves a greater palpatory > sensitivity: proprioceptorially " listening " " . Most > of the osteopathic approaches to cranial depend on > highly developed palpatory sensitivity and > propeioceptorially listening, especially the > functional approaches. I think the biggest > difference is that in good osteopathy, cranial is > only one system and like all osteopathic approaches > treatment is done after specific Dx (but as always > easier said than done). From the exposure i have had > to Upledger it takes a lot of time to make changes. > I think that is because there is often little time > spent on specific Dx. By the way what is the SER and > TJM stand for? > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > yehuda frischman > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:29 AM > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > sympathetic chain > > > Dear Par and Alon, > > I view this approach differently: I find that with > trauma, often there is a palpatory heaviness or > thickness, and that the restriction is often > fascial > and not necessarily osseous, from a combination of > adhesions and calcified lymph, resulting from the > ongoing, and self-perpetuating inflammatory > process. > Remember, also, that your approach and training > represents cranial-osteopathy, whereas Par and I > are > Upledger Cranio-Sacral trained. You and I have > dialogued about this in the past. The Upledger > approach is much less pro-active, and involves a > greater palpatory sensitivity: proprioceptorially > " listening " to the guidance of the patient's inner > physician. There is much scholarly documentation > to > support the efficacy of this approach. I am merely > suggesting the approach which " resonated " and > worked > well with me, in like cases, and am not suggesting > it > as the only approach. Just want it understood that > we > are not speaking of the same therapeutic modality. > > Sincererly, > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, TJM > > --- <alonmarcus wrote: > > > Yehuda > > that is a kind of a shot gun approach and takes > a > > lot of time. If Par can Dx the problem he would > save > > a lot of time. Par do you know how to screen a > > patient, ie first find out which system or area > is > > the most restricted? this would save you a lot > of > > time and grief. If you think the cranium is it > try > > to screen all the bones of the head to see which > > movement is the most restricted, treat that > suture. > > Has i said with trauma you often get an osseous > > lesion, if you find one treat it with a > functional > > (indirect) technique or sometimes with a fluid > > approach. By the way what exactly occurred with > the > > MVA? knowing may give some clues > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > - > > yehuda frischman > > > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:00 AM > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > Hi Par, > > > > It would seem to me that the occipital cranial > > base is > > probably quite jammed and stuck. Consider going > > about > > treating it indirectly, perhaps starting at the > > thoracic inlet, going through the scalenes, the > > hyoid > > and the " avenue of expression " , the tmj, > sphenoid > > and > > the hard palate complex, the temporals from the > > sides, > > the parietals from the top,and the sacrum, and > > only > > then going back to the occipital-cranial base. I > > find > > that when I face stuck places, I defer to and > > follow > > the guidance of the significance indicator, and > > needle > > distally simultaneously. What follows is usually > > some > > pretty dramatic releases. > > > > Much success, > > > > Yehuda > > > > --- Par Scott <parufus wrote: > > > > > OA release was difficult, released a lot of > > heat. > > > Spinal traction also takes some time to free > up, > > > dragging to the right. The rhythm had a fairly > > short > > > active-inspire phase and CV4 release seemed to > > open > > > that quite a bit, other than that all the > bones > > are > > > slewed to the left, the locus seems to be > around > > the > > > left temporo-parietal suture, though temporal > > motion > > > doesn't seem very compromised?? I do what > > amounts to > > > a Upledger 10 step, and it seems to provide > > > temporary relief, but obviously there is a > > deeper > > > lesion if things aren't staying fixed, right? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Par > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:06 PM > > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > > > > Par Scott > > > What are the cranial findings on the first > > > patient? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > > > > - > > > Par Scott > > > > > > Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:30 AM > > > Nausea cases, irritation of > > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > I have two nausea cases that are driving me > > crazy. > > > > > > #1 Post MVA with some soft tissue damage in > the > > > neck the guy has waves of nausea, with some > > > vomiting, position related (retraction of the > > neck > > > makes it worse). I'm assuming some sort of > > > irritation strain or entrapment of the > > phrenic/vagus > > > nerves. I do some cranial, and a little > > acupuncture > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Yehuda what you are describing is functional techniques. that does not mean there is no " lesion. " After identifying the lesion on does exactly as you say, lets the patients body unwind. Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:35 PM CST, SER, TJM Au contrere, Alon. The essence of CST is following the guidance of the patient's inner wisdom, and rather than looking for a diagnosis and viewing the patient as " an other " , instead the CS therapist melds with the patient and follows the instructions received from within, without an agenda, ever sensitive to anamolies in the CS rhythm in terms of symmetry, rate, amplitude and quality. Therefore because we don't " force " or " trick " the body to make changes, the soma's natural guardedness and inhibition cease to be a barrier for change. THe process is further accelerated by needling the patient first. Furthermore, because we are treating the fascial network which runs uninterruptedly like a highway from the cranial apex to the feet, the CS rhythm can be felt anywhere and everywhere in the body, and as such every part of the body can be treated. The results are often rapid, dramatic and permanent. SER refers to the SomatoEmotional release, or trauma release fascilitated in CranioSacral therapy. TJM refers to Traditional Jewish Medicine. I moderate a discussion group addressing the parallels in theory and clinical applications between TJM and TCM. For more information about TJM feel free to contact me privately. Sincerely, Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac., CST, SER, TJM --- <alonmarcus wrote: > Yehuda > I understand what you are saying but i would not use > these words: " and involves a greater palpatory > sensitivity: proprioceptorially " listening " " . Most > of the osteopathic approaches to cranial depend on > highly developed palpatory sensitivity and > propeioceptorially listening, especially the > functional approaches. I think the biggest > difference is that in good osteopathy, cranial is > only one system and like all osteopathic approaches > treatment is done after specific Dx (but as always > easier said than done). From the exposure i have had > to Upledger it takes a lot of time to make changes. > I think that is because there is often little time > spent on specific Dx. By the way what is the SER and > TJM stand for? > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > yehuda frischman > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:29 AM > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > sympathetic chain > > > Dear Par and Alon, > > I view this approach differently: I find that with > trauma, often there is a palpatory heaviness or > thickness, and that the restriction is often > fascial > and not necessarily osseous, from a combination of > adhesions and calcified lymph, resulting from the > ongoing, and self-perpetuating inflammatory > process. > Remember, also, that your approach and training > represents cranial-osteopathy, whereas Par and I > are > Upledger Cranio-Sacral trained. You and I have > dialogued about this in the past. The Upledger > approach is much less pro-active, and involves a > greater palpatory sensitivity: proprioceptorially > " listening " to the guidance of the patient's inner > physician. There is much scholarly documentation > to > support the efficacy of this approach. I am merely > suggesting the approach which " resonated " and > worked > well with me, in like cases, and am not suggesting > it > as the only approach. Just want it understood that > we > are not speaking of the same therapeutic modality. > > Sincererly, > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, TJM > > --- <alonmarcus wrote: > > > Yehuda > > that is a kind of a shot gun approach and takes > a > > lot of time. If Par can Dx the problem he would > save > > a lot of time. Par do you know how to screen a > > patient, ie first find out which system or area > is > > the most restricted? this would save you a lot > of > > time and grief. If you think the cranium is it > try > > to screen all the bones of the head to see which > > movement is the most restricted, treat that > suture. > > Has i said with trauma you often get an osseous > > lesion, if you find one treat it with a > functional > > (indirect) technique or sometimes with a fluid > > approach. By the way what exactly occurred with > the > > MVA? knowing may give some clues > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > - > > yehuda frischman > > > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:00 AM > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > Hi Par, > > > > It would seem to me that the occipital cranial > > base is > > probably quite jammed and stuck. Consider going > > about > > treating it indirectly, perhaps starting at the > > thoracic inlet, going through the scalenes, the > > hyoid > > and the " avenue of expression " , the tmj, > sphenoid > > and > > the hard palate complex, the temporals from the > > sides, > > the parietals from the top,and the sacrum, and > > only > > then going back to the occipital-cranial base. I > > find > > that when I face stuck places, I defer to and > > follow > > the guidance of the significance indicator, and > > needle > > distally simultaneously. What follows is usually > > some > > pretty dramatic releases. > > > > Much success, > > > > Yehuda > > > > --- Par Scott <parufus wrote: > > > > > OA release was difficult, released a lot of > > heat. > > > Spinal traction also takes some time to free > up, > > > dragging to the right. The rhythm had a fairly > > short > > > active-inspire phase and CV4 release seemed to > > open > > > that quite a bit, other than that all the > bones > > are > > > slewed to the left, the locus seems to be > around > > the > > > left temporo-parietal suture, though temporal > > motion > > > doesn't seem very compromised?? I do what > > amounts to > > > a Upledger 10 step, and it seems to provide > > > temporary relief, but obviously there is a > > deeper > > > lesion if things aren't staying fixed, right? > > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > Par > > > > > > > > > - > > > > > > > > > Saturday, June 17, 2006 1:06 PM > > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > > > > Par Scott > > > What are the cranial findings on the first > > > patient? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > > > > - > > > Par Scott > > > > > > Saturday, June 17, 2006 6:30 AM > > > Nausea cases, irritation of > > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > I have two nausea cases that are driving me > > crazy. > > > > > > #1 Post MVA with some soft tissue damage in > the > > > neck the guy has waves of nausea, with some > > > vomiting, position related (retraction of the > > neck > > > makes it worse). I'm assuming some sort of > > > irritation strain or entrapment of the > > phrenic/vagus > > > nerves. I do some cranial, and a little > > acupuncture > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 . --- <alonmarcus wrote: > yehuda what is you email address > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > yehuda frischman > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:35 PM > CST, SER, TJM > > > Au contrere, Alon. > > The essence of CST is following the guidance of > the > patient's inner wisdom, and rather than looking > for a > diagnosis and viewing the patient as " an other " , > instead the CS therapist melds with the patient > and > follows the instructions received from within, > without > an agenda, ever sensitive to anamolies in the CS > rhythm in terms of symmetry, rate, amplitude and > quality. Therefore because we don't " force " or > " trick " the body to make changes, the soma's > natural > guardedness and inhibition cease to be a barrier > for > change. THe process is further accelerated by > needling > the patient first. Furthermore, because we are > treating the fascial network which runs > uninterruptedly like a highway from the cranial > apex > to the feet, the CS rhythm can be felt anywhere > and > everywhere in the body, and as such every part of > the > body can be treated. The results are often rapid, > dramatic and permanent. SER refers to the > SomatoEmotional release, or trauma release > fascilitated in CranioSacral therapy. TJM refers > to > Traditional Jewish Medicine. I moderate a > discussion > group addressing the parallels in theory and > clinical applications between TJM and TCM. For > more > information about TJM feel free to contact me > privately. > > Sincerely, > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac., CST, SER, TJM > > --- <alonmarcus wrote: > > > Yehuda > > I understand what you are saying but i would not > use > > these words: " and involves a greater palpatory > > sensitivity: proprioceptorially " listening " " . > Most > > of the osteopathic approaches to cranial depend > on > > highly developed palpatory sensitivity and > > propeioceptorially listening, especially the > > functional approaches. I think the biggest > > difference is that in good osteopathy, cranial > is > > only one system and like all osteopathic > approaches > > treatment is done after specific Dx (but as > always > > easier said than done). From the exposure i have > had > > to Upledger it takes a lot of time to make > changes. > > I think that is because there is often little > time > > spent on specific Dx. By the way what is the SER > and > > TJM stand for? > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > - > > yehuda frischman > > > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:29 AM > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > Dear Par and Alon, > > > > I view this approach differently: I find that > with > > trauma, often there is a palpatory heaviness or > > thickness, and that the restriction is often > > fascial > > and not necessarily osseous, from a combination > of > > adhesions and calcified lymph, resulting from > the > > ongoing, and self-perpetuating inflammatory > > process. > > Remember, also, that your approach and training > > represents cranial-osteopathy, whereas Par and I > > are > > Upledger Cranio-Sacral trained. You and I have > > dialogued about this in the past. The Upledger > > approach is much less pro-active, and involves a > > greater palpatory sensitivity: > proprioceptorially > > " listening " to the guidance of the patient's > inner > > physician. There is much scholarly documentation > > to > > support the efficacy of this approach. I am > merely > > suggesting the approach which " resonated " and > > worked > > well with me, in like cases, and am not > suggesting > > it > > as the only approach. Just want it understood > that > > we > > are not speaking of the same therapeutic > modality. > > > > Sincererly, > > > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, TJM > > > > --- <alonmarcus wrote: > > > > > Yehuda > > > that is a kind of a shot gun approach and > takes > > a > > > lot of time. If Par can Dx the problem he > would > > save > > > a lot of time. Par do you know how to screen a > > > patient, ie first find out which system or > area > > is > > > the most restricted? this would save you a lot > > of > > > time and grief. If you think the cranium is it > > try > > > to screen all the bones of the head to see > which > > > movement is the most restricted, treat that > > suture. > > > Has i said with trauma you often get an > osseous > > > lesion, if you find one treat it with a > > functional > > > (indirect) technique or sometimes with a fluid > > > approach. By the way what exactly occurred > with > > the > > > MVA? knowing may give some clues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > > > > - > > > yehuda frischman > > > > > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:00 AM > > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > > > > Hi Par, > > > > > > It would seem to me that the occipital cranial > > > base is > > > probably quite jammed and stuck. Consider > going > > > about > > > treating it indirectly, perhaps starting at > the > > > thoracic inlet, going through the scalenes, > the > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2006 Report Share Posted June 18, 2006 Alon, I don't know where you got the idea that what I expressed was disputing the existance of a lesion. It is precisely a lesion, either osseous or fascial, which manifests and can be read as a dysfunctional craniosacral rhythm. However, more often then not there is not just one lesion, but rather many layers, and even if one is released through a " functional technique " as you say, the physician/therapist needs to have the sensitivity to discern whether to go deeper, elsewhere, or even stop, if the patient's inner-physician says that they have had enough for that session. BTW, though unwinding is an exceptionally effective technique, and is used in CST, it is but one of many used. Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, TJM --- <alonmarcus wrote: > Yehuda > what you are describing is functional techniques. > that does not mean there is no " lesion. " After > identifying the lesion on does exactly as you say, > lets the patients body unwind. > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > yehuda frischman > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 3:35 PM > CST, SER, TJM > > > Au contrere, Alon. > > The essence of CST is following the guidance of > the > patient's inner wisdom, and rather than looking > for a > diagnosis and viewing the patient as " an other " , > instead the CS therapist melds with the patient > and > follows the instructions received from within, > without > an agenda, ever sensitive to anamolies in the CS > rhythm in terms of symmetry, rate, amplitude and > quality. Therefore because we don't " force " or > " trick " the body to make changes, the soma's > natural > guardedness and inhibition cease to be a barrier > for > change. THe process is further accelerated by > needling > the patient first. Furthermore, because we are > treating the fascial network which runs > uninterruptedly like a highway from the cranial > apex > to the feet, the CS rhythm can be felt anywhere > and > everywhere in the body, and as such every part of > the > body can be treated. The results are often rapid, > dramatic and permanent. SER refers to the > SomatoEmotional release, or trauma release > fascilitated in CranioSacral therapy. TJM refers > to > Traditional Jewish Medicine. I moderate a > discussion > group addressing the parallels in theory and > clinical applications between TJM and TCM. For > more > information about TJM feel free to contact me > privately. > > Sincerely, > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac., CST, SER, TJM > > --- <alonmarcus wrote: > > > Yehuda > > I understand what you are saying but i would not > use > > these words: " and involves a greater palpatory > > sensitivity: proprioceptorially " listening " " . > Most > > of the osteopathic approaches to cranial depend > on > > highly developed palpatory sensitivity and > > propeioceptorially listening, especially the > > functional approaches. I think the biggest > > difference is that in good osteopathy, cranial > is > > only one system and like all osteopathic > approaches > > treatment is done after specific Dx (but as > always > > easier said than done). From the exposure i have > had > > to Upledger it takes a lot of time to make > changes. > > I think that is because there is often little > time > > spent on specific Dx. By the way what is the SER > and > > TJM stand for? > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > - > > yehuda frischman > > > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 10:29 AM > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > Dear Par and Alon, > > > > I view this approach differently: I find that > with > > trauma, often there is a palpatory heaviness or > > thickness, and that the restriction is often > > fascial > > and not necessarily osseous, from a combination > of > > adhesions and calcified lymph, resulting from > the > > ongoing, and self-perpetuating inflammatory > > process. > > Remember, also, that your approach and training > > represents cranial-osteopathy, whereas Par and I > > are > > Upledger Cranio-Sacral trained. You and I have > > dialogued about this in the past. The Upledger > > approach is much less pro-active, and involves a > > greater palpatory sensitivity: > proprioceptorially > > " listening " to the guidance of the patient's > inner > > physician. There is much scholarly documentation > > to > > support the efficacy of this approach. I am > merely > > suggesting the approach which " resonated " and > > worked > > well with me, in like cases, and am not > suggesting > > it > > as the only approach. Just want it understood > that > > we > > are not speaking of the same therapeutic > modality. > > > > Sincererly, > > > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, TJM > > > > --- <alonmarcus wrote: > > > > > Yehuda > > > that is a kind of a shot gun approach and > takes > > a > > > lot of time. If Par can Dx the problem he > would > > save > > > a lot of time. Par do you know how to screen a > > > patient, ie first find out which system or > area > > is > > > the most restricted? this would save you a lot > > of > > > time and grief. If you think the cranium is it > > try > > > to screen all the bones of the head to see > which > > > movement is the most restricted, treat that > > suture. > > > Has i said with trauma you often get an > osseous > > > lesion, if you find one treat it with a > > functional > > > (indirect) technique or sometimes with a fluid > > > approach. By the way what exactly occurred > with > > the > > > MVA? knowing may give some clues > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > > > > > > > - > > > yehuda frischman > > > > > > Sunday, June 18, 2006 1:00 AM > > > Re: Nausea cases, irritation of > > > sympathetic chain > > > > > > > > > Hi Par, > > > > > > It would seem to me that the occipital cranial > > > base is > > > probably quite jammed and stuck. Consider > going > > > about > === message truncated === Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2006 Report Share Posted June 21, 2006 Au Contraire, mon frere Bonjour Yehuda, I'm a longtime CHA lurker, and Cranial Osteopath, married to an L.Ac. I did share a clinic for a while with a wonderful L.Ac./bodyworker doing mostly CST. We treated each other and shared patients and shared knowledge, mostly him teaching me acupuncture/CM and martial arts, and me teaching him cranial. He helped me get over the automatic animosity, that is so common between the CST and CO communities. Except for my friend, in my experience, the similarities and differences between CST and Cranial Osteopathy tend to be obscured by politics and turf battles. While a CST vs CO fight might be fun ( " Ah, I see your cranial-fu is weak, and I sense a tethering of your left crus.. " ), maybe we could discuss some of the real training and practice differences so the " others " have a basis for intelligent referral. Let me start with one or two issues.. > The essence of CST is following the guidance of the > patient's inner wisdom Most therapies I've encountered claim this, including CO. I don't see this as a CST vs CO difference. > and rather than looking for a > diagnosis and viewing the patient as " an other " This might be important. I understand this as placing emphasis on a treatment protocol, with the protocol guiding your decisions, rather than making a diagnosis, and letting that diagnosis guide your decisions. I agree, a wrong diagnosis creates a barrier between you and the patient. I also believe treatment based on an average of all patients (i.e treatment based on protocol) creates a barrier betwen you and THIS patient. I believe the key is the ability to make good diagnoses, based on palpatory sensitivity and anatomical knowledge. What would CST teach? > follows the instructions received from within, without > an agenda, ever sensitive to anamolies in the CS > rhythm in terms of symmetry, rate, amplitude and > quality. I think this is also important. I've met people who are real psychics, who can select herbs, acupuncture points, etc based on their inner contact with the patients. I've met more people I've thought were listening more to their own inner dialogue, biases, hopes and wishes. If I understand you correctly, that CST uses " inner contact " rather than or as much as palpatory findings to make treatment decisions, then we have an important issue to clarify. Therefore because we don't " force " or > " trick " the body to make changes, the soma's natural > guardedness and inhibition cease to be a barrier for > change. T > I believe precise treatment, based on good diagnosis is EXACTLY what the body craves. I you have to " trick " or " force " , you're not giving the body what it wants. Note this is not saying " Always use minimal effort " Sometime the body wants and a lot of force, sometimes almost nothing. If you can't make a good diagnosis, then yeah, err on the side of less force. > I'll be on the road for the next few days, but plan to be on the net sometime each day. Look forward to learning from you. Sam Sencil > > Yehuda > > I understand what you are saying but i would not use > > these words: " and involves a greater palpatory > > sensitivity: proprioceptorially " listening " " . Most > > of the osteopathic approaches to cranial depend on > > highly developed palpatory sensitivity and > > propeioceptorially listening, especially the > > functional approaches. I think the biggest > > difference is that in good osteopathy, cranial is > > only one system and like all osteopathic approaches > > treatment is done after specific Dx (but as always > > easier said than done). From the exposure i have had > > to Upledger it takes a lot of time to make changes. > > I think that is because there is often little time > > spent on specific Dx. By the way what is the SER and > > TJM stand for? > > are > > Upledger Cranio-Sacral trained. You and I have > > dialogued about this in the past. The Upledger > > approach is much less pro-active, and involves a > > greater palpatory sensitivity: proprioceptorially > > " listening " to the guidance of the patient's inner > > physician. There is much scholarly documentation > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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