ROE and grapefruit seed oil

[Guest guest]

I would like to know as well. I see a lot of different companies, including

Burt's Bees, who use grapefruit seed extract. I am assuming that it must be

working for them.

 

Sindy <sssoap wrote: OK, as I understand these are not

preservatives, why would anyone use

them in their products? How long would a shelf life be appx. using

these as opposed to a preservative? Reason I'm asking is, I'd like to

use this instead of pres.

Sindy

 

 

 

 

 

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They are not going to keep bacteria from forming in your products. Not

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On Behalf Of Sindy

OK, as I understand these are not preservatives, why would anyone use

them in their products? How long would a shelf life be appx. using

these as opposed to a preservative? Reason I'm asking is, I'd like to

use this instead of pres.

Sindy

[Guest guest]

Here are some suggested uses for GSE from Mountain Rose Herbs:

 

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/grapefr.php

 

 

As far as shelf life goes, I think that GSE would extend it some but not as

long as nasty parabens would, but if I put a number of days or months on it,

I'll probably get my head shot off. My personal experience with GSE is that

I made a diaper spray without it that lasted only 1 month; I made a new

batch with GSE and it lasted 3 months. *Results will vary*. To see how GSE

may affect your own formulations, get some challenge testing done with and

without it: http://sagescript.tripod.com/id31.htm

 

Also, it was my understanding that GSE, while it is not a *broad spectrum*

preservative, it will kill bacteria (but not mold or fungus). My hope is to

get around to combining it with Potassium Sorbate which kills molds but not

bacteria and do some challenge testing. So far, no one has told me that you

can't combine GSE and Potassium Sorbate in the same lotion.

 

http://www.todieforsoap.com/preservatives.htm -- this was a great article

but it seems to have been taken down. TDF -- are you here? Do you still

have this article anywhere we can access it? thx.

 

HTH

 

~B

 

 

 

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" Sindy " <sssoap

 

Monday, January 23, 2006 11:02 AM

ROE and grapefruit seed oil

 

 

OK, as I understand these are not preservatives, why would anyone use

them in their products? How long would a shelf life be appx. using

these as opposed to a preservative? Reason I'm asking is, I'd like to

use this instead of pres.

Sindy

[Guest guest]

My understanding was that the GSE that worked, was

tainted with triclosan during the expeller process?

 

Kirstin

 

 

 

--- Bonnie Walker <bonnie wrote:

 

> Here are some suggested uses for GSE from Mountain

> Rose Herbs:

>

> http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/learn/grapefr.php

>

>

> As far as shelf life goes, I think that GSE would

> extend it some but not as

> long as nasty parabens would, but if I put a number

> of days or months on it,

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

That's been batted around for quite a while. The company who produces the

Citrocidal brand of GSE swears up and down that it simply isn't true and

that they have tested their GSE against said rumors and it has come out

clean (ie: tested negatively for triclosan, parabens, whatever else anyone

wanted to say it was tainted with). For that one, I think you need to

decide who you're going to believe and ask questions of the supplier of GSE

you plan to purchase from. . In my research, I've only seen test results

from GSE producers and none from anyone claiming that GSE had

triclosan/parabens/whatever other artificial thing they want to claim.

 

 

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" Kirstin Key " <kirstinkey

 

Monday, January 23, 2006 1:54 PM

Re: ROE and grapefruit seed oil

 

 

My understanding was that the GSE that worked, was

tainted with triclosan during the expeller process?

 

Kirstin

[Guest guest]

I spoke with TDF before christmas and she said they were revamping their recipe

network~ Hope they keep those great recipes, some of them I love~

thanks so much

Sindy

 

 

http://www.todieforsoap.com/preservatives.htm -- this was a great article

but it seems to have been taken down. TDF -- are you here? Do you still

have this article anywhere we can access it? thx.

 

HTH

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Kristin,

That is what I have been told to. By a chemist who told me that every

GSE sample he tested that had been effective,contained triclosan.

 

Virginia

West Ausie

 

Kirstin Key wrote:

 

> My understanding was that the GSE that worked, was tainted with

> triclosan during the expeller process?

[Guest guest]

Hi Bonnie,

Out of interest, have they released details of results of any challenge

testing they have done.

 

Virginia

 

Bonnie Walker wrote:

 

> That's been batted around for quite a while. The company who produces

> the Citrocidal brand of GSE swears up and down that it simply isn't

> true and that they have tested their GSE against said rumors and it

> has come out clean (ie: tested negatively for triclosan, parabens,

[Guest guest]

I'd have to do some digging around for the URL and statements they've

released. And I've been procrastinating enough today on this old list ...

but I will try to dig up the notes I found.

 

 

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" Virginia " <artemesia

 

Monday, January 23, 2006 5:42 PM

Re: ROE and grapefruit seed oil

 

 

Hi Bonnie,

Out of interest, have they released details of results of any challenge

testing they have done.

 

Virginia

,

[Guest guest]

Thanks Bonnie, I think I am the Queen of Procrastination lol.

 

Virginia

 

Bonnie Walker wrote:

 

> I'd have to do some digging around for the URL and statements they've

> released. And I've been procrastinating enough today on this old

> list ... but I will try to dig up the notes I found.

>

[Guest guest]

here is one to get you going and now I really have to stop neglecting my

toddler ... i found some more stuff tonight i wanted to comment on but just

lost it as the famous Ms. Jeana came over, grabbed my hand off the mouse and

said " no computer mommy " (damn, she is clever) ... the general idea being

that you can pretty much find an article to back up either side depending on

what search phrase you Google. It really is a matter of reading carefully

on both sides and deciding for yourself whether you have a " pure " GSE or if

you think it's full of chemicals from the extraction process or the

grapefruits themselves. IMHO, Citricidal seems to be a " pure " GSE (and to me

that is backed up by Mountain Rose Herbs carrying it -- I've come to trust

them to do their homework on the stuff they carry) that I have had good luck

with extending the life of the products I make for myself and my family. I

have not had it challenge tested yet for products that I sell and don't know

if I'd call it a " preservative " (at least on this list anyway) but I trust

it more than I trust synthetic preservatives (and especially trust myself

using GSE over synthetic preservatives ... I do not want a bottle of

Germaben hanging around my house for any reason; I think both my customers

and I are safer with me using GSE than parabens on many levels!!! I feel

really strongly that when choosing a preservative system, you need to keep

in mind the reality and safety of using said preservatives especially if you

produce your stuff at home. But that's a different soap box to stand on ...)

 

http://www.naturalingredient.org/GSE.htm

 

I have a copy of a copy of a statement from Nutribiotic that goes to a

similar effect as the article above. This was posted to greentaramama last

may. It is the response a member received when she contacted Nutribiotic

directly about the GSE rumors.

 

********

Natalie, the only solvent used to process GSE is glycerin. I hope this

information is of use to you.

 

*********

 

Natalie, in response to the article titled " The Truth About Grapefruit Seed

Extract " , this information has been circulating for many years and does

surface from time to time. Please read the following response to your

question. Thank you for supporting our products, and you can be assured

that NutriBiotic stands committed to providing the very best for you and

your family.

 

Newsgroups and email groups have received postings to the effect that GSE

contains Triclosan, Benzelthonium Chloride, or Methyl Paraben. The source of

this type of report comes from both Germany and Japan, where GSE is not

approved for human consumption. The reason is that GSE is very similar in

molecular weight to both Benzelthonium Chloride and Triclosan, both of which

are effective disinfectants, but are toxic to human and animal life. In

Germany their test for BC, Triclosan, and M.Paraben comes up positive (which

is more correctly called a " false positive " ) and in Japan, the same is

happening for Triclosan.

 

Meanwhile, Citricidal (the brand of GSE NutriBiotic uses) has been tested

for the presence of these toxins by independent labs, and has been proven

clean. (Ex: Weston Gulf Coast Laboratories, Inc., University Park, IL, test

completed in March of 1992. Tested for heavy metals, Cyanides, Pesticides

and PCBs and Benzelkonium Chloride. Results: None Detected.) In fact, the

accusations about triclosan (used in many dish and hand soaps in the US)

became so frequent a few years ago, that Citricidal began specifically

testing each batch of GSE for its absence, and providing a Certificate of

Analysis to that effect.

 

The truth is, Citricidal is not only effective, it has been in use for many

years (20+). If these allegations had any validity, there certainly would be

a history of complaints and judgments against the product, and it would have

been removed from the market many years ago. The US FDA made inspections of

the Nutribiotic manufacturing facility back in the 1990's and found no

chemical preservatives; and the formula is the same today.

 

Such rumors are false, and are not a threat to those armed with accurate

information. The test reports from Germany and Japan are certainly

bothersome, but they have produced " false positives " , not accurate profiles.

The vast body of evidence from many years of use by thousands of satisfied

consumers, doctors, manufacturers, and veterinarians, speaks most loudly

against such reports. (The German report does suggest that some suppliers of

" GSE " may, in fact, be fraudulent. But Citricidal and NutriBiotic GSE are

proven, safe, and effective products.)

 

 

 

---- Original Message -----

" Virginia " <artemesia

 

Monday, January 23, 2006 5:42 PM

Re: ROE and grapefruit seed oil

 

 

Hi Bonnie,

Out of interest, have they released details of results of any challenge

testing they have done.

 

Virginia