Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 On Behalf Of Butch Owen Saturday, February 18, 2006 2:30 AM Black Spruce I have a customer in Canada who buys it regularly and she swears it totally relaxes her .. and sniffing it helps her arthritis. I was surprised to hear the arthritis gain but she is convinced it helps so who am I to question her? The oil is from Canada .. but she says she can't find it there. ;-) <snipped again for brevity> Come to think of it, I do have a case study written by Vivian Lunny using P. marinara (in combo with other oils) for Rheumatoid Arthritis; if I can find it, I'll share her observations. I'm not at all surprised at the number of people in Canada who can't find the oils produced there readily available. Have a good weekend, everyone. We're having an *arctic blast* (coined by the news stations, of course) and it's now about 22 degrees, going to get down to 16, they say. Brrrrr. We got a dose of snow for Valentines Day, groan, I am so ready for Spring. Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hey Marcia, >>> Does black spruce oil really support the adrenal glands > >>There are some untested/unproven theories (rumors?) that Black >>Spruce (Picea mariana) can have a positive effect on the Endocrine >>System by relieving Adrenal Fatigue .. which may be a factor in >>many conditions, including fibromyalgia, hypothyroidism, chronic >>fatigue syndrome, arthritis, premature menopause and other ailments. >>But this is not based on any solid evidence. >> >>Odds are that most modern humans experience pretty constant stress .. >>maybe even moreso than did our ancestors who only had to worry about >>fight or flight .. so relief of excess stress is good treatment. If >>we are relaxed and enjoy what we're doing .. then we can expect some >>relief from stress .. even if its just temporary. This will obviously >>decrease the release of certain chemicals that could be the cause of Adrenal >>Fatigue. <snipped for brevity> > > I think we might also need to discuss the *application* method before we can > definitively allude to health benefits . . . We all know that massage can > stimulate the adrenal system and be beneficial. Was the observation that > backs this claim made after using black spruce in a massage oil? No ma'am .. it was sniffing it .. inhalation. > Is there a definite observable difference between the affects of massage > with black spruce as opposed to without that has been well documented? I know of none .. but its my opinion that there is no definite, proven difference in the benefits of massage with or without essential oils. When EO are used the difference would still be due to inhalation .. that is what is really happening when we get a massage .. its back to AT and the olfactory system. Of course there is great therapeutic value (both physical and emotional) to a massage in any case but unless we believe in total absorption of EO (and I don't) then we could gain the same benefit from a massage (only) using Fractionated Coconut and no EO. > I have not seen specific papers, and nothing appears in Martin's Plant > Aromatics data, nor in any of my scientific databases. Right .. same here .. in fact, Black Sage is not covered in Plant Aromatics and that's because its not been tested for use by the cosmetics industry .. or at least he hasn't found such tests. > We have to remember that a lot of essential oil theory for health benefit > and efficacy stems from herbalism . . . i.e., often *guessing* that the > essential oil would have the same or more profound effects as the herb > (which is usually taken internally as a tea or in capsule form and lends > little supportive documentation relative to the essential oil). You are perzackly right .. and this might well be a case of this going down .. pure extrapolation. > Promoting more profound effect could be attributed to again *guessing* > that essential oils are more highly concentrated, therefore they *must* > be more effective . . . Not from actual research. Yep .. and such good guessing is a great marketing technique. ;-) > I wouldn't dispute the *possibility* this oil's effectiveness, and I once > got a wonderful blend from Henri Viaud that included P. mariana and others > that *seemed* to lift my spirits and energy and make me feel better after > traveling and feeling like my immune system was stressed, coming down with > something. I also had a series of massages during this travel, and used > this blend in the massage oil and also diffused. So . . . What could I > *prove*? Nadda. It is very relaxing to me .. but I like the odor. Many EO are relaxing to me .. some have proven capability to do this .. others don't. I have a customer in Canada who buys it regularly and she swears it totally relaxes her .. and sniffing it helps her arthritis. I was surprised to hear the arthritis gain but she is convinced it helps so who am I to question her? The oil is from Canada .. but she says she can't find it there. ;-) Stranger things have happened when it comes to folks feeling like they feel better from this or that. There's a German feller here who swears that a Rose Creme he buys helps his arthritis .. I know the creme well, its totally synthetic .. nothing " Rose " about it but the odor .. and the list of ingredients show nothing that should relieve pain .. in fact, its a creme for dry skin. > Be Well, > Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com > " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from > Nigeria Thanks .. and you .. and y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2006 Report Share Posted February 18, 2006 Hi all, regarding Picea mariana, I can only relate my own experience: I really started working with essential oils more than 20 years ago after a good french friend witnessed to me the positive effects of using (oral use, that is a cure of some weeks of 1-3 drops a day) on his extreme fatigue. The effects of this oil is for me a fact, proven on different occasions. It made me really curious about all the different essential oils so I started my study, and that's how I would call my self today: a student of essential oils... Picea mariana was my trigger to start aromatherapy... Pinus sylvestris is quite similar, but less effectif in this specific action. And yes, it was Henri Viaud who wrote about this use in his small book, written in cooperation with a docter. My friend's name is Albert, he still lives near Viaud's disitillery. Henri died some years ago, his wife finally sold the company. Albert was in a real bad health situation at that time, he never was a dreamer but more a scientist. I spent almost seven years with him on his farm in the Haute Provence before, so I knew him quit well. So I don't care if the oil is not (yet) tested or accepted by different famous aromatherapy teachers, Gildemeister & Hoffmann wrote already in 1929 about 1300 different essential oils, they were the firtst to wite about for instance Backhousia citriodora, Backhousia myrtifolia, Backhousia angustifolia and Backhousia sciadophora. The Backhousia citriodora was completely unknown 10-15 years ago and would not have been accepted if we only would use " tested " oils. I suppose that most of us are now quit happy to have this oil, I was happy to have been able to help Dennis years ago with good information about his oil. We will (re)discover many oils and their applications in the future if we have an open mind and do not restrict ourselfs on a list of oils that some teachers will give us. That does not mean that we should expose the public to untested oils. Regarding Suzan Catty's writings, I only met her once on a conference in Grasse, so I have no special pro or contra feelings towards her, I just never liked the name changing of " Hydrolate " to " Hydrosol " . I would never recommand the neat use of the essential oils without warnings and a good description of what is possible and what is harmfull and relate the sensitising problem. I personnaly do not exclude the neat use (in a safe and responsable way) of " some " essential oils (I would exclude the cinnamon oils), I also believe that " some " oral use of " some " essential oils are compatible with what I would call " aromatherapy " . I have no problem with the use of peppermint ( I would use only one drop), but only in the case of a headache or to prevent to fall asleep during long car trips. I use it this way since years whenever it's necessary, I always have some good Mentha piperita Mitcham for this purpose with me and in my cars and have several hundreds of people who are quit happy of having learned this method of use by me. We will need all this ways of using essential oils with the coming bird flu plague anyway, a simple massage with some drops of lavender oil won't help us a lot. Bird flu jusy arrived in France yesterday and it's only a matter of time before it will spread from humans to humans. But that's another subject. Regards from France, Michel Vanhove Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 <Stranger things have happened when it comes to folks feeling like they feel better from this or that.> I guess the old Placebo effect is more powerful in aromatherapy than in any other field. Anyway, if I want to smell spruce, I can step outside. Just curious. Ien in the Kootenays ************************** Stop. Breathe. Smile! ~Padma ( my TV yoga teacher) http://freegreenliving.com ************************** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 19, 2006 Report Share Posted February 19, 2006 > > > Come to think of it, I do have a case study written by Vivian Lunny using P. > marinara (in combo with other oils) for Rheumatoid Arthritis; if I can find You must have been hungry for spaghetti, Marcia! The botanical name for Black Spruce is Picea mariana. Michelle www.greentaramama.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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