Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 Hi Barbara: Just my thoughts from reading a bit regarding the fat to use for extracting from blossoms: Try to find straight Lard. Many different brands out there. Most stores still carry it. It's not as processed as Crisco. It normally comes in a rectangular block wrapped in wax paper and waxed cardboard box for easy access. You can buy it in one pound boxes, but usual is 2# sizes and up. Could be that you can find someone that will sell it to you in bulk there in the Islands. Be sure to let us know how it turns out. Sounds great! A most fragrant evening to ya, deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 all lard here is sold in plastic containers and it's on the shelf right by the solid Crisco and other shortenings Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away Hi Barbara: Just my thoughts from reading a bit regarding the fat to use for extracting from blossoms: Try to find straight Lard. Many different brands out there. Most stores still carry it. It's not as processed as Crisco. It normally comes in a rectangular block wrapped in wax paper and waxed cardboard box for easy access. You can buy it in one pound boxes, but usual is 2# sizes and up. Could be that you can find someone that will sell it to you in bulk there in the Islands. Be sure to let us know how it turns out. Sounds great! A most fragrant evening to ya, deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 I just bought a pound of lard (Manteca) in the supermarket last week. About $1.50/lb. Hope this helps mjh Tue, 21 Feb 2006 20:10:02 -0500 " Stan Swanson " <frog1 Fat for concrete Hi Barbara: Just my thoughts from reading a bit regarding the fat to use for extracting from blossoms: Try to find straight Lard. Many different brands out there. Most stores still carry it. It's not as processed as Crisco. It normally comes in a rectangular block wrapped in wax paper and waxed cardboard box for easy access. You can buy it in one pound boxes, but usual is 2# sizes and up. Could be that you can find someone that will sell it to you in bulk there in the Islands. Be sure to let us know how it turns out. Sounds great! A most fragrant evening to ya, deb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 , foxhillers wrote: > > > I just bought a pound of lard (Manteca) in the supermarket last week. About > $1.50/lb. > Snipped a bunch Hi Y'all, I'm sorry to have to be a wet blanket but I am going to try to dissuade anyone from buying the cheap, grocery store lard/manteca. The reason why is because it comes from factory farmed pork. These huge, factory farms are destroying our environment and the communities that surround them suffer immensely. PLEASE, try to find a local farmer who practices sustainable methods and I am sure they will make you a great deal on all of the lard you could want! If you cannot find a local pork farmer, then you could look up your local county extension office and I am sure they could point you to a farmer/or processor in your area. THANK YOU for reading this post! Continue to be, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 I haven't been following this thread closely but please tell me you are purchasing the lard for soap, not for eating! ?? :0 :) Karen Sellars ksellars - Lori 2/22/2006 8:09:22 PM Re: Fat for concrete , foxhillers wrote: > > > I just bought a pound of lard (Manteca) in the supermarket last week. About > $1.50/lb. > Snipped a bunch Hi Y'all, I'm sorry to have to be a wet blanket but I am going to try to dissuade anyone from buying the cheap, grocery store lard/manteca. The reason why is because it comes from factory farmed pork. These huge, factory farms are destroying our environment and the communities that surround them suffer immensely. PLEASE, try to find a local farmer who practices sustainable methods and I am sure they will make you a great deal on all of the lard you could want! If you cannot find a local pork farmer, then you could look up your local county extension office and I am sure they could point you to a farmer/or processor in your area. THANK YOU for reading this post! Continue to be, Lori The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2006 Report Share Posted February 23, 2006 Don't know where you are, but very few farmers butcher their own meat anymore. Very few grocery stores have meat cutters/butchers anymore. Most stores now get their meat pre-packed meaning all they do is take it out of the box and put it in the display case. A few years ago, one of the local farmers contacted DH about butchering a hog for him. DH is meat cutter/butcher. He only had the 1 pig to process and the processing plant gives you a better price if you bring in a number of animals at a time and charge quite a bit more for just 1 animal. He gave us half the meat for processing it and said it was still a deal for him compared to what the processing plant was charging. The animals are sent out to a slaughter house/processing plant by the truck load. Even if you did find someone who would be willing to sell you the fat from one of their pigs to render, this is the wrong time of year. Butchering of the large animals (sheep, cattle, hogs) is usually done in the fall Paula, a farmer's daughter and grand daughter .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away > > I just bought a pound of lard (Manteca) in the supermarket last week. About > $1.50/lb. > Snipped a bunch Hi Y'all, I'm sorry to have to be a wet blanket but I am going to try to dissuade anyone from buying the cheap, grocery store lard/manteca. The reason why is because it comes from factory farmed pork. These huge, factory farms are destroying our environment and the communities that surround them suffer immensely. PLEASE, try to find a local farmer who practices sustainable methods and I am sure they will make you a great deal on all of the lard you could want! If you cannot find a local pork farmer, then you could look up your local county extension office and I am sure they could point you to a farmer/or processor in your area. THANK YOU for reading this post! Continue to be, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 , " paula coon " <paulacoon wrote: > > Don't know where you are, but very few farmers butcher their own meat anymore. Very few grocery stores have meat cutters/butchers anymore. Most stores now get their meat pre-packed meaning all they do is take it out of the box and put it in the display case. Snipped a bunch Yes, we can all make excuses as to why it is easier to keep on supporting the factory farms and the cheap animal products that come with the process. I also live in Michigan, not too far from you I believe, and there are still enough local, family farms that offer local pork products in Southeast Michigan. I am not saying it will be as easy as running to the grocery store, it won't be. People have choices to make as to how much trouble they want to take when it comes to finding supplies or food. I am just suggesting that if they are making small batch, homemade soaps and other types of products along that line, then maybe they should consider the implications of continuing to support industrialized agriculture/animal husbandry practices! I know that it makes me feel good to support a local farmer who has hand raised his hogs and dairy cows and beef cattle on organic pasture and hay that he grew and I wanted to share the thought. That is really what this is all about anyhow...thinking about where our foodstuffs and supplies come from and realizing that the resources we have left on this planet must be treasured and we should not go thru life with blinders on because " if we don't know any better " then " it's not our fault " . I truly mean no ill will towards anyone and am just very passionate about the fact that we all have to take personal responsibility about where our raw ingredients come from and who knows, if just half of us on this forum choose to make the leap to purchasing sustainably farmed products, we just might be able to save a few family farms as well as leaving a lighter impact on the environment. As far as local farmers doing the butchering, very true that most do not do it themselves, but if you let that farmer know that you are on the lookout for some lard, I am sure he will lead you in the right direction. Also, I mentioned checking in with the county cooperative extension, they are great at giving people local contacts. One could also check out the local 4-H club, one could also go online to one of several of the search features on sites such as www.newfarm.org, www.localharvest.org, www.theorganicpages.com, and many others. Yes, it may take you a little time and effort, but you may just make some great new friends and darn it, it just feels good! Warm regards and continue to be, Lori (Grampa was a farmer, Dad worked for GM, I am a " reformed " city slicker, currently tending one acre...dreaming of of the day I can purchase more acreage and raise my own chickens, here a pig, there a pig...and a cow! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 , " " <ksellars wrote: > > I haven't been following this thread closely but please tell me you are purchasing the lard for soap, not for eating! ?? :0 :) > > Karen Sellars > ksellars > > > I posted the original thread for people to source lard for making soap...but there is nothing wrong with using lard as a consumable fat AS LONG AS IT IS ORGANIC. Don't buy into all of the saturated fat is a no-no hype, and don't buy into the lowfat diet is good hype. I have studied nutrition for longer than I care to mention and if you want to know the truth about fats and nutrition, I suggest you check out www.westonaprice.org. Also, you may want to read the following: Know Your Fats: The Complete Primer for Understanding the Nutrition of Fats, Oils and Cholesterol by Mary Enig, PhD; Solved: The Riddle of Illness by Stephen Langer, MD; Food Enzymes for Health and Longevity by Edward Howell, MD; and, The Cholesterol Myths by Uffe Ravnskov, MD Phd;. I promise not to get on my soap box but I am chomping at the bit! Fat is a good thing. Warm regards and continue to be, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 Before you give up, try an Amish community if you are close to one. Though I don't know if they butcher. Also, when I was young so many many years ago and home on the farm we would send a steer to the butcher's to be butchered for meat. If I remember correctly, my Mom said, the butcher was not required to give you back your own animal's meat. Only had to give you back the weight, cut and packed the way you wanted it. And correct kind of animal of course. Tight wad that my mother was, she even got smart one year and demanded that they give her the money from the sale of the hide. Took her a long time to figure out that they sold that. :) Karen Karen Sellars ksellars - paula coon 2/23/2006 9:36:22 AM Re: Re: Fat for concrete Don't know where you are, but very few farmers butcher their own meat anymore. Very few grocery stores have meat cutters/butchers anymore. Most stores now get their meat pre-packed meaning all they do is take it out of the box and put it in the display case. A few years ago, one of the local farmers contacted DH about butchering a hog for him. DH is meat cutter/butcher. He only had the 1 pig to process and the processing plant gives you a better price if you bring in a number of animals at a time and charge quite a bit more for just 1 animal. He gave us half the meat for processing it and said it was still a deal for him compared to what the processing plant was charging. The animals are sent out to a slaughter house/processing plant by the truck load. Even if you did find someone who would be willing to sell you the fat from one of their pigs to render, this is the wrong time of year. Butchering of the large animals (sheep, cattle, hogs) is usually done in the fall Paula, a farmer's daughter and grand daughter .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away > > I just bought a pound of lard (Manteca) in the supermarket last week. About > $1.50/lb. > Snipped a bunch Hi Y'all, I'm sorry to have to be a wet blanket but I am going to try to dissuade anyone from buying the cheap, grocery store lard/manteca. The reason why is because it comes from factory farmed pork. These huge, factory farms are destroying our environment and the communities that surround them suffer immensely. PLEASE, try to find a local farmer who practices sustainable methods and I am sure they will make you a great deal on all of the lard you could want! If you cannot find a local pork farmer, then you could look up your local county extension office and I am sure they could point you to a farmer/or processor in your area. THANK YOU for reading this post! Continue to be, Lori Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 In this county, 4-H animals aren't available for sale until the county fair in August. Very few farmers grow all the grain the feed their animals. My relatives that own dairy farms have trouble growing enough hay to feed them and what grain they do grow goes to the local grain co-op in return for the feed they get for the animals and it is not organic. Many of the grain co-ops offer special prices for the 4-H kids, at least they did when my kids were in 4-H. The grain fed to those animals is not organic either. Around here the only way you will find animals that have been fed organic grain is you find an Amish farmer willing to sell you one and there are no Amish in this area. To find an Amish settlement, I'd have to go at least 2, 3, or more counties over at least, or go to Indiana. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away Yes, we can all make excuses as to why it is easier to keep on supporting the factory farms and the cheap animal products that come with the process. I also live in Michigan, not too far from you I believe, and there are still enough local, family farms that offer local pork products in Southeast Michigan. I am not saying it will be as easy as running to the grocery store, it won't be. People have choices to make as to how much trouble they want to take when it comes to finding supplies or food. I am just suggesting that if they are making small batch, homemade soaps and other types of products along that line, then maybe they should consider the implications of continuing to support industrialized agriculture/animal husbandry practices! I know that it makes me feel good to support a local farmer who has hand raised his hogs and dairy cows and beef cattle on organic pasture and hay that he grew and I wanted to share the thought. That is really what this is all about anyhow...thinking about where our foodstuffs and supplies come from and realizing that the resources we have left on this planet must be treasured and we should not go thru life with blinders on because " if we don't know any better " then " it's not our fault " . I truly mean no ill will towards anyone and am just very passionate about the fact that we all have to take personal responsibility about where our raw ingredients come from and who knows, if just half of us on this forum choose to make the leap to purchasing sustainably farmed products, we just might be able to save a few family farms as well as leaving a lighter impact on the environment. As far as local farmers doing the butchering, very true that most do not do it themselves, but if you let that farmer know that you are on the lookout for some lard, I am sure he will lead you in the right direction. Also, I mentioned checking in with the county cooperative extension, they are great at giving people local contacts. One could also check out the local 4-H club, one could also go online to one of several of the search features on sites such as www.newfarm.org, www.localharvest.org, www.theorganicpages.com, and many others. Yes, it may take you a little time and effort, but you may just make some great new friends and darn it, it just feels good! Warm regards and continue to be, Lori (Grampa was a farmer, Dad worked for GM, I am a " reformed " city slicker, currently tending one acre...dreaming of of the day I can purchase more acreage and raise my own chickens, here a pig, there a pig...and a cow! The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2006 Report Share Posted February 24, 2006 a lot of processing plants are like that because there are no laws against it.It can be difficult during deer season to keep the names straight when there are 15 - 20 deer laying on the floor. I can see how it would nearly be impossible at a processing plant where they process 100 or more steers, pigs, or what ever. That's why when anyone local wants an animal processes, they either go the store where DH works and ask if they do processing on the side (not allowed to do it at he store) or they go out to one of the sport/hunting clubs and ask if they have the name someone who processes wild game. Either way they end up calling here. It's not unusual for the store to get a few calls asking about having something butchered every fall during butchering time either from someone who has an animal to be taken care of or from other stores who have customers asking them for a place to have it done. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away ...............Also, when I was young so many many years ago and home on the farm we would send a steer to the butcher's to be butchered for meat. If I remember correctly, my Mom said, the butcher was not required to give you back your own animal's meat. Only had to give you back the weight, cut and packed the way you wanted it. And correct kind of animal of course. Tight wad that my mother was, she even got smart one year and demanded that they give her the money from the sale of the hide. Took her a long time to figure out that they sold that. :) Karen Karen Sellars ksellars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 26, 2006 Report Share Posted February 26, 2006 Aloha, all! Thank you for all your tips! I am having a little trouble combining the words fat with flowers. has anyone out there actually made a floral concrete/absolute? I have made some hydrosols, but most of my flowers are of the " lots of flowers for minimal essential oil " catagory gardenia, pikake (hawaiian jasmine), plumeria, stephantosis, honeysuckle and many other hawaiian exotics. Take time to smell the Gardenias! Wish I sould send you all some. I am blessed to live in Hawaii. Aloha Nui Loa, Barbra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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