Since WHEN did doctors become the bad guys?

March 24, 2006

I have never seen the medical community heaped with such abuse except from

those who have some sort of association with the holistic field

(particularily those associated with Young Living).

I will admit to being one of the last people to go visit anyone medically

inclined when I'm ill. However, when my children have asthma attacks,

allergic reactions to bee stings, broken bones, split heads, ticks in the

back of the neck, I will get into my car and most cheerfully visit the local

clinic.

For the common cold, flu, stomach upset, conjunctivitis and other minor

upsets, I deal with them myself, because they are not life threatening and I

have some basic idea of how to deal with them myself.

I have never heard a doctor say that the reason they went into medicine was

to poison people, to hurt people or to kill people. They USUALLY go into it

to try and HELP people. Although, according to folk on the YL lists , this

is not true. That the doctors and nurses are actively out to get people, to

make as money off the drugs as possible... course I expect that from THEM,

they're fruitcakes and conmen. The conmen love this fabrication because it's

in their interests to sell as much EO's as possible and the fruitcakes

because they've bought into the head Con man' Lies, myths and fairy tales.

There are the doctors that are in it for the money, but they're plastic

surgeons! LOL! Yes doctors hand out a lot of drugs, I'm given tons of

prescriptions, but I don't fill them and I don't take them, unless it's for

something serious. I'm grateful for the diagnosis though and if I can, will

deal with it on my own... if I can't, then give me the drugs.

IF I had cancer would I go see the local doc? You betcha. I would also take

the time to find out what else is out there to help. THAT part of it is up

to me. To be self educated. The doctors can tell you what's wrong and how to

fix it THEIR way, which is what they know best, what they've been taught,

but it's YOUR choice to listen to what they suggest. I don't see doctors

following folk home and forcing drugs down peoples throat or forcing people

to accept medical treatment against their will.(And yes, there are

exceptions to this, but it is way outside the norm).

One thing that people tend to forget is that Aromatherapy is a COMPLIMENTARY

therapy. In other words, it's not meant to stand alone, no matter how much

the conmen and sheep in YL shout that it is. It works well in conjunction

with other therapies, whether it's allopathic medicine, naturopathy,

herbology, but was never intended to be a cure all.

I'll tell you this, if I'm dying of bone cancer, I want all the good drugs I

can get. A dribble of Lavender oil isn't going to do a thing for me. If my

gall bladder needs to come out, or I need to have a hysterectomy, my child

has lukemia, or my son is a hemophiliac, forget nature, I'm going to see my

local quack and be grateful that he or she has the education and skills to

take care of these types of medical requirements.

Sure am darn tired of the medical community bashing that goes on.

Rant over

--

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Http://www.woobeyworld.com

March 24, 2006

Hey Woobz,

I agree with you in some ways .. of course when JJ ate the hazelnuts and

had welts covering his whole body and couldn't breathe I gave him

Benadryl and we rushed him to the ER and took the shots in the @ss to

calm his body's crazy allergic reaction. " Western " Medicine really does

a great job when it comes to ER and acute traumatic care. They get BIG

kudos for that from me.

The problem I have with it (what we call " Western Allopathic " Medicine)

is everything else BUT that *lol*

I don't believe that in most cases the doctors or nurses are bad people

who want to hurt people .. heck, one whole side of my family is nurses,

physicians and medical docs/scientists who make a living off gov't

grants and inventing products like calcium enriched Pringles (thank you

Uncle Mark) .. and I know they are all good folks who entered and work

in the field wanting to help folks.

What I also know is that every one of them and their immediate families

are plagued with chronic illnesses that they can't figure out how to

fix, and they look at me and talk to me like I am an IDIOT for even

suggesting what I do suggest (so I don't suggest anything anymore . I

(and my immediate family) on the other hand, don't share the same health

issues they do. Now considering that we are partially from the same gene

pool its not like I have superior genetics *lol*

So that is MY issue .. the docs aren't so much the bad guys, but they

are sheep. Sheep who absorb all that is poured into their smart and

retentive brains by the (evil) pharmaceutical giants who run the show.

Unfortunately in many cases they believe that anything else aside from

what they have been taught is blasphemous and a ticket to (healthcare)

hell! Its actually very similar to a radical religion (like the YL a

style cult in fact!).

*Smile*

Chris (list mom - who BTW is NOT a conspiracy theorist! I've tried VERY

hard to be balanced over the years when it comes to healthcare because I

TRULY believe that the answers lay in putting together ALL the knowledge

we have about healing from every corner of the world. From every witch

doctor's hut to every laboratory and every study, etc ... we have to put

it all together or our puzzle will have missing pieces that are lost in

the couch cushions of eternity, and we'll never truly become wise!)

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On Behalf Of Woobey Queen

I have never seen the medical community heaped with such abuse except

from

those who have some sort of association with the holistic field

(particularily those associated with Young Living).

I will admit to being one of the last people to go visit anyone

medically

inclined when I'm ill. However, when my children have asthma attacks,

allergic reactions to bee stings, broken bones, split heads, ticks in

the

back of the neck, I will get into my car and most cheerfully visit the

local

clinic.

For the common cold, flu, stomach upset, conjunctivitis and other minor

upsets, I deal with them myself, because they are not life threatening

and I

have some basic idea of how to deal with them myself.

I have never heard a doctor say that the reason they went into medicine

was

to poison people, to hurt people or to kill people. They USUALLY go into

it

to try and HELP people. Although, according to folk on the YL lists ,

this

is not true. That the doctors and nurses are actively out to get people,

to

make as money off the drugs as possible... course I expect that from

THEM,

they're fruitcakes and conmen. The conmen love this fabrication because

it's

in their interests to sell as much EO's as possible and the fruitcakes

because they've bought into the head Con man' Lies, myths and fairy

tales.

There are the doctors that are in it for the money, but they're plastic

surgeons! LOL! Yes doctors hand out a lot of drugs, I'm given tons of

prescriptions, but I don't fill them and I don't take them, unless it's

for

something serious. I'm grateful for the diagnosis though and if I can,

will

deal with it on my own... if I can't, then give me the drugs.

IF I had cancer would I go see the local doc? You betcha. I would also

take

the time to find out what else is out there to help. THAT part of it is

up

to me. To be self educated. The doctors can tell you what's wrong and

how to

fix it THEIR way, which is what they know best, what they've been

taught,

but it's YOUR choice to listen to what they suggest. I don't see doctors

following folk home and forcing drugs down peoples throat or forcing

people

to accept medical treatment against their will.(And yes, there are

exceptions to this, but it is way outside the norm).

One thing that people tend to forget is that Aromatherapy is a

COMPLIMENTARY

therapy. In other words, it's not meant to stand alone, no matter how

much

the conmen and sheep in YL shout that it is. It works well in

conjunction

with other therapies, whether it's allopathic medicine, naturopathy,

herbology, but was never intended to be a cure all.

I'll tell you this, if I'm dying of bone cancer, I want all the good

drugs I

can get. A dribble of Lavender oil isn't going to do a thing for me. If

my

gall bladder needs to come out, or I need to have a hysterectomy, my

child

has lukemia, or my son is a hemophiliac, forget nature, I'm going to see

my

local quack and be grateful that he or she has the education and skills

to

take care of these types of medical requirements.

Sure am darn tired of the medical community bashing that goes on.

Rant over

--

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Http://www.woobeyworld.com

March 24, 2006

I have never seen the medical community heaped with such abuse except from

those who have some sort of association with the holistic field

[Dave:] Kathleen, it sounds to me as if you have a pretty common-sense

approach. Of course it’s crazy to suggest that all doctors are bad, or that

there is no place for allopathic medicine. However, there are some real

problems in Western medicine. For one thing, the chemical industry, the

insurance industry and the medical industry are all in bed with each other,

and it’s not for the public good. It’s about money. For another thing, the

government has gotten involved and has tried all kinds of ways to shut down

the availability of alternative treatments, from dietary supplements to

anyone who accepts money for offering alternatives to standard treatment.

Another problem is that doctors do not study nutrition, and are generally

massively ignorant about it.

Otherwise, I agree with you.

March 24, 2006

I'll tell you this, if I'm dying of bone cancer, I want all the good drugs I

can get. A dribble of Lavender oil isn't going to do a thing for me. If my

gall bladder needs to come out, or I need to have a hysterectomy, my child

has lukemia, or my son is a hemophiliac, forget nature, I'm going to see my

local quack and be grateful that he or she has the education and skills to

take care of these types of medical requirements.

Sure am darn tired of the medical community bashing that goes on.

Rant over

--

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Http://www.woobeyworld.com

Hi Kathleen! LOL

I understand the need for certain medications for serious illnesses.

Sometimes there are very viable medicines that help people. The problem that i

have with alot (and I am not saying " all " ) but that so many doctors would

rather fill a prescription and send you on your way, than to actually find out

what's really wrong with you. Last year my dad *was* diagnosed with Cancer. It

was a rare type of cancer, called Adeenocarcinoma. (intestinal cancer) And

since my mom is actually in the medical field, and helps run the Cath lab, she

knew doctors that she could talk to. And every single one of them told her,

" dont you dare do chemo, because it's a medical statistic fact that it's only

got a 7% success rate. There isn't a doctor anyone knows who lets their family

members get chemo. " When they took dad to one of the preliminary hmo doctors,

his first recommendation was chemo. Long story short, my dad died a couple of

months ago. And the only thing that ever gave him any relief, and

I mean any, was Essaic tea. A tea blend known for helping with cancer. It

wasn't until my mom talked my dad into doing a run of chemo that he ended up

with problems and starving to death. Before the chemo, his cancer cells had

diminished emmensly. So don't be so fast to rebuke nature. It almost saved my

dad. Before my dad died, my youngest sister fell off of a fifty foot cliff,

and we came into so many doctors who didn't have a clue what the hell they were

doing, and that included specialists. If it hadn't been for my mom's boss

calling in a favor and getting the top surgeon in the state of texas in to work

on my sister, she would probably would have died because of the complications.

The problem is, how many people are able to network like that? The reason I

feel the way I do about doctors, is I've seen so many in the last year who just

shouldn't be practicing. Again, this is just my personal opinion. Not everyone

loses both their dad and uncle to the same cancer in a

year, and then watches their sister almost die. So my opinion is jaded. )

Not trying to offend anyone here, just giving my side of the story.

Melissa

March 24, 2006

Woobey,

I think the problem is the whole balance thing.. And trying to make a

buck... but this is just my opinion... I am ON Anti-depressants because I

have a chemical imbalance that St. Johns wort doesn't balance out.. and

smelling all the oranges and mint in the world is not going to make me

better... Menopause might...I think an integrated approach would be helpful

to all people.. How ever that's just my 2 cents... which with inflation is

now worth $.05... anyway... I think the Medical Dr.s are walking the side

of Legal caution because of Lawyers and people out there who take said drug

with out letting the dr. know all their problems.. Heck half of the Dr.s in

the united states are under so much stress that they can't remember when to

flush the toilet (I'm completely making that up.) but look at all the sleep

deprivation they go through to get to a practice, and then they have to deal

with the FDA not putting herbal remedies through because they haven't been

tested because of the $$ involved and most of the remedies that are herbal

can't really be patented because of some reason... (oh yeah because they are

food. And food cannot be prescribed unless it's manufactured out the yin

yang...) and then even after that it has to be tested and re tested and

come up with a certain set result in order for it to pass... And the one's

that have the ability to call their herbal remedy a drug then has to jump

through another bunch of hoops to get it accepted by society etc However if

the companies that are hyping all the herbs spent more of their time trying

to get it passed in the FDA and making it a drug then the rest of us would

have to go to the dr. for a prescription to get it, and then our insurance

would be paying for it and then there'd be another person out there saying

how bad it was for you infinitum. For the most part if we all take a

balanced approach to everything it might be better in the long run.. You

know take what you know of Allopathic and use it and take what you know of

Herbal and use it and take what you know of Acupuncture and use it.. Or at

least find out.. I'm not afraid of Dr.s I'm afraid of big pharmaceutical

companies that can pay and have Lobbyists that work for them.. But did you

know that Most Allopathic medicine has a basis in Herbal medicine... (they

still do not have a Generic for Opium or Digitalis) These two plants I can

go and get from Walmart... And the government can't stop me from buying

flowers... sold as flowers, but it can stop me from buying flowers that

aren't sold as flowers... I have always heard that if you want to die go to

a hospital... cause so many people die in hospitals, however if I believed

that I wouldn't have had my kiddos in the Maternity ward in a hospital where

I knew that they'd be taken care of if there was a problem... One of them

had a cord tied around their neck and herbal medicine couldn't have stopped

that from happening... OH and Scientology and Dianetics and NLP can help

with some things, but not everything... And if some person comes up to me

and says that someone with Thalidamide poisoning can change their physical

appearance with Mind techniques I want them to show me the proof, and what

about losing a leg or an arm...

Jennifer

March 24, 2006

Hi David,

I would add the medical schools, and medical associations to this list. The

pharmaceutical companies program future doctors while they're in school to use

their products. Special interests pay for doctors to attend meetings in really

good locations, and sponsor conventions. They definitely get a return on their

investment.

But, having said that, I would rather be in this country having a doctor treat

me in cases of trauma. We do trauma really, really well.

Preventive health care, and optimal health maintenance practices are sorely

lacking because if you're healthy no one in the industry makes any money. Tam

David Lambert <dlmbrt wrote:

For one thing, the chemical industry, the

insurance industry and the medical industry are all in bed with each other,

and it’s not for the public good. It’s about money.

March 24, 2006

I don't post much, but I can't stay silent.

I am 49 years old and have had cancer three times. First at 17, then at 36,

and again at 45. Each time I have had chemotherapt and radiation and I AM

JUST FINE. The only thing that really gave me relief the first time was

smoking the good columbian grown stuff supplied by Duke Med. Remember, this

was before the THC pills or whatever were available. (now those pills at

over $60 each). I can buy a lot of good stuff for what I paid for those

pills. But I took everything the docs gave me, including morphine and

anything else that eased the pain the second and third time. And I was dam*

thankful to get it!

I have docs I love almost as much as my DH. I trust them with my life and

they completely check me over four times a year. Chemo ain't easy, but if

they told me I had cancer again and they were not going to go with chemo, I

would raise cain.

Vickie...who is only alive by the grace of God and the great physicians at

Duke Medical Center

March 24, 2006

I would add the medical schools, and medical associations to this list. The

pharmaceutical companies program future doctors while they're in school to

use their products. Special interests pay for doctors to attend meetings in

really good locations, and sponsor conventions. They definitely get a

return on their investment.

But, having said that, I would rather be in this country having a doctor

treat me in cases of trauma. We do trauma really, really well.

Preventive health care, and optimal health maintenance practices are

sorely lacking because if you're healthy no one in the industry makes any

money. Tam

[Dave:] I agree with every word. Especially the last sentence. And itï¿½s

when weï¿½re well that we need to own our health and do the work it takes to

keep it. And Vickie, whoï¿½s a three-time cancer survivor (my god, my hat is

off to you!!!): what youï¿½ve addressed is whatï¿½s RIGHT about our system.

Some folks may be claiming that all doctors are evil, but Iï¿½m not one of

them. I do say we have a severely dysfunctional way of addressing public

health, and that will continue until it becomes about something other than

money. Our paradigm needs to change. Traditionally itï¿½s been: how much

can I charge? It should be: whatï¿½s the LEAST I can charge and still

thrive?

_____

March 24, 2006

I do have to agree with Kathleen in a lot of ways. It isn't fair to lump

all doctors together as " out to get people " . There are excellent ones as

well as those that would milk the last penny out of their own mom.

It is a persons responsibility to investigate the ones who's hands you put

your health and your families. Just as there are unprincipled doctors,

there are also unprincipled hollistic crackpots that will sell you garbage

to line their pockets. It is our responsibility to research the medications

that we are given and make an educated informed decision whether to put them

in our mouths. I would love to be medication free and only depend on mother

earth to tend to the ailments that befall all of us at one time or another.

But I think that is sometimes unrealistic because the the vast majority of

the population wouldn't know Slippery elm bark from shinola....

But I can tell you one thing, when the feverfew isn't working for my

Migraine, trust me I will reach for the Zomig in a heartbeat or else I don't

function. I have been blessed with a doctor who doesn't just write

prescriptions blindly. And when my mom was dieing, he didn't just call the

hospital and tell them what to do, he was there, and he stayed with me and

had his arm on my shoulders when my mom took her last breath. Maybe he is

an exception to the rule but I'm grateful because he is diligent and

thoughtful. So I sit on the fence and let the situation help me decide

which side I step on at that moment in time.

Evelyn

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