Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). They tried to find out where she got the cream, but the jar was unlabeled so they did'nt know it was mine. I'm too scared to tell anyone. The only ingredients were Sandalwood, cocoa butter and olive oil. The coroner indicated that it was the sandalwood that caused the reaction. God this list is so boring.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 In a message dated 4/6/2006 10:52:29 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, soapsis writes: OMG, Sweetie. I hope you are kidding. I know NOW is getting a bad reputation, but if this is the cause of her death, I am horrified.. I am crying as I read this. Was she on antidepressants? Some HRT's contain St. John's Wort, which I understand you cannot mix them with..But sandalwood? Did you label your jar? Has she ever used sandalwood before? Please respond. If what you are saying is true, I need your permission to cut and paste and forward to my fellow soap making/creams/lotions friends. If you give me permission, in no way will I ever disclose the source of this list or your name, heaven forbid. People need to know about this. This is scary stuff. I am racking my brain to figure out how this could happen. It saddens me to no end. We use mostly Aura Cacia, but we have a few EO's made by NOW..no sandalwood, though. I feel so bad for you, and the poor lady who died. You are in my prayers and thoughts.. (((Hugs))) Kaye I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). They tried to find out where she got the cream, but the jar was unlabeled so they did'nt know it was mine. I'm too scared to tell anyone. The only ingredients were Sandalwood, cocoa butter and olive oil. The coroner indicated that it was the sandalwood that caused the reaction. God this list is so boring.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 In a message dated 4/7/2006 7:58:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, paulacoon writes: Paula, thank you. We can always count on you. I do not take prescription HRT's, but occasionally use a Progesterone Cream made with Wild Yam.. I did not know fennel, geranium and rose were not recommended when one is using HRT's. This is good information. We just made a small experimental batch of soap using Rose and Sandalwood, which is wonderful. Our cost for it was approximately $5.00/bar, so no way can we afford to sell it. We plan to give the soap as gifts, for family teenagers, who are not on HRT's, but I take heed. Thank you so much for responding. You are appreciated! Blessings! Kaye I posted this (without names, of course) to another list I'm on and here are some of the feed back I got on it : " According to what I've read,there are a lot of places recommending sandalwood oil to be used during HRT.. I did find one website where they said to avoid fennel, geranium and rose.. but not sandalwood " Paula .......... in Michigan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Dear whomever moderates this list. Is this for REAL? Or is this some wick joke?...........Herbally yours Penny On 4/7/06, Martha Keister <soapsis wrote: > > I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from > NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to > my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream > laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said > it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone > Replacement Therapy (HRT). They tried to find out where she got the > cream, but the jar was unlabeled so they did'nt know it was mine. I'm > too scared to tell anyone. The only ingredients were Sandalwood, cocoa > butter and olive oil. The coroner indicated that it was the sandalwood > that caused the reaction. > > God this list is so boring.lol > -- Penny Khaled http://tinyurl.com/bfnyd http://www.geocities.com/pennykhaled75 http://www.organicnutrition.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Oh dear, I was so infuriated at what I think is some sort of sick joke that I wrote " wick " instead of " sick " .......please fess up - whomever wrote this......Herbally yours Penny On 4/7/06, Penny <pennyclear75 wrote: > > Dear whomever moderates this list. > Is this for REAL? Or is this some wick joke?...........Herbally yours Penny > > > On 4/7/06, Martha Keister <soapsis wrote: > > > > I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from > > NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to > > my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream > > laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said > > it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone > > Replacement Therapy (HRT). They tried to find out where she got the > > cream, but the jar was unlabeled so they did'nt know it was mine. I'm > > too scared to tell anyone. The only ingredients were Sandalwood, cocoa > > butter and olive oil. The coroner indicated that it was the sandalwood > > that caused the reaction. > > > > God this list is so boring.lol > > > > Penny Khaled http://tinyurl.com/bfnyd http://www.geocities.com/pennykhaled75 http://www.organicnutrition.co.uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Whew, you're a brave one! (Or something.) I wouldn't have the nerve to post something like this....especially naming a brand name like NOW Foods. Mitsy > I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from > NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to > my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream > laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said > it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone > Replacement Therapy (HRT). roner indicated that it was the sandalwood > that caused the reaction. > > God this list is so boring.lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I posted this (without names, of course) to another list I'm on and here are some of the feed back I got on it : " According to what I've read,there are a lot of places recommending sandalwood oil to be used during HRT.. I did find one website where they said to avoid fennel, geranium and rose.. but not sandalwood " Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT). They tried to find out where she got the cream, but the jar was unlabeled so they did'nt know it was mine. I'm too scared to tell anyone. The only ingredients were Sandalwood, cocoa butter and olive oil. The coroner indicated that it was the sandalwood that caused the reaction. God this list is so boring.lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I usually don't post much, am too busy reading all the correct info that is posted here, but I can't believe that someone would have the gall to post something like this, especially if it was done out of pure boredom because " this list is boring " . For the person that wrote that post and did not have the guts to sign such trash, I hope you realize that such things are not a joke and are taken very seriously, especially by those that make hand-crafted soaps, lotions, etc, and have a hard enough time dealing with the FDA, ins co's, etc, without you adding fuel to the fire. I've bought NOW products for years, before I even made soaps or even knew that there were better quality EO's out there, and have never had a problem with them, and still buy them for " quick fixes " . But because of someone's games, a company that probably didn't have any problems and sold a half-way decent product is now going to be looked at like they did wrong. That's not cool either. In my opinion, you have tried to sabotage a huge group of hard working individuals that take great pride and care in creating each and every one of their items. Shame on you! Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Is this suppose to be funny....... If so I fail to see the humor. Evelyn www.alternasense.com , " Martha Keister " <soapsis wrote: > > God this list is so boring.lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Martha, I am new to this list and would like to ask if this post is a serious post. I am very concerned, did this really happen?? Dawn UK > I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from > NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to > my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream > laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said > it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone > Replacement Therapy (HRT). They tried to find out where she got the > cream, but the jar was unlabeled so they did'nt know it was mine. I'm > too scared to tell anyone. The only ingredients were Sandalwood, cocoa > butter and olive oil. The coroner indicated that it was the sandalwood > that caused the reaction. > > God this list is so boring.lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 True story or not it does make a person think about their own products and liability. This really enforces what I am always saying - do research, lots and lots of it. When you think you are done, research some more. You can never know too much about anything and there is no such thing as being too careful. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away Paula, thank you. We can always count on you. I do not take prescription HRT's, but occasionally use a Progesterone Cream made with Wild Yam.. I did not know fennel, geranium and rose were not recommended when one is using HRT's. This is good information. We just made a small experimental batch of soap using Rose and Sandalwood, which is wonderful. Our cost for it was approximately $5.00/bar, so no way can we afford to sell it. We plan to give the soap as gifts, for family teenagers, who are not on HRT's, but I take heed. Thank you so much for responding. You are appreciated! Blessings! Kaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I have to state that I think it is totally irresponsible, let alone illegal, to make up " a cream " and give it to someone to use with no labelling whatsoever. If you are for real, and I really seriously doubt that this is, then you deserve to have everyone land on you with both feet, including the FDA, and the police. .. I also noted that you could not even sign your message - what should be the first clue? Mary Well, Naturally - paula coon Friday, April 07, 2006 11:35 AM Re: Sandalwood and HRT True story or not it does make a person think about their own products and liability. This really enforces what I am always saying - do research, lots and lots of it. When you think you are done, research some more. You can never know too much about anything and there is no such thing as being too careful. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away Paula, thank you. We can always count on you. I do not take prescription HRT's, but occasionally use a Progesterone Cream made with Wild Yam.. I did not know fennel, geranium and rose were not recommended when one is using HRT's. This is good information. We just made a small experimental batch of soap using Rose and Sandalwood, which is wonderful. Our cost for it was approximately $5.00/bar, so no way can we afford to sell it. We plan to give the soap as gifts, for family teenagers, who are not on HRT's, but I take heed. Thank you so much for responding. You are appreciated! Blessings! Kaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Mary, Mary Robinson wrote: > I also noted that you could not even sign your message - what should > be the first clue? In case you didn't notice the original message was signed and came from Martha Keister at a legitimate address soapsis. I would expect this to be enough to identify a person. >I have to state that I think it is totally irresponsible, let alone illegal, to make up " a cream " and give it to someone >to use with no labelling whatsoever. >If you are for real, and I really seriously doubt that this is, then you deserve to have everyone land on you with both >feet, including the FDA, and the police. . I believe that this seems to be the case where a person (Martha) might need some professional rebuke (although I'm not even sure about that) but they also may need help and support, a great deal of it. Much more so, actually, than when someone comes to the list and complains that they were not properly welcomed to the group - in which case everyone seems to be very eager to provide support and apologies. No offense meant to anyone. Just for fairness sake. Martha, please hang on there. I am not sure if you've done anything wrong but emotionally it's very hard regardless. You and your friend will be in my prayers tonight. Cheers, Nika From Moscow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 don't know about your computer, but on mine it shows the post came from Martha Keister soapsis .... doesn't take much to google Martha Keister and get a real addy, complete with phone number. IF Martha really did post this and IF she is the Martha located in Culver City, CA that my reverse look up gave me .......... let's just say I am waiting to hear back from a few places in Culver City about a 'mysterious death'. If this turns out to be a hoax, I really hope the list mom deals with this to the full extent allowed by and possibly any other ways allowed by U.S. law. I own a few lists on and if someone were to post a hoax like this, any and all authorities I could find would be notified and because this is the internet, that would include the FBI. I find it 'interesting' that 'Martha " didn't include any way to verify any of it - no link to news paper stories, local news, etc...... Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away I usually don't post much, am too busy reading all the correct info that is posted here, but I can't believe that someone would have the gall to post something like this, especially if it was done out of pure boredom because " this list is boring " . For the person that wrote that post and did not have the guts to sign such trash, I hope you realize that such things are not a joke and are taken very seriously, especially by those that make hand-crafted soaps, lotions, etc, and have a hard enough time dealing with the FDA, ins co's, etc, without you adding fuel to the fire. I've bought NOW products for years, before I even made soaps or even knew that there were better quality EO's out there, and have never had a problem with them, and still buy them for " quick fixes " . But because of someone's games, a company that probably didn't have any problems and sold a half-way decent product is now going to be looked at like they did wrong. That's not cool either. In my opinion, you have tried to sabotage a huge group of hard working individuals that take great pride and care in creating each and every one of their items. Shame on you! Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Oh, I can believe it........There are people that would cause an uproar just to satisfy their own moronic need. She " Miss Martha " is more than likely getting her jolly's and certainly isn't bored. But at what cost..... fledgling crafter's that, because they are so eager to learn, take this kind of post as gospel. I've gotten to the point that, unless I can have it substantiated, I don't believe anything I read of this nature. So, Newbies, beware.....of such nonsense. If in doubt ask someone that has the knowledge and that is trustworthy. Not trying to put him on the spot, but Butch is very savvy as is Chris in speaking about essential oils. Bar that, do the research yourself. As far as this post is concerned, whomever is responsible should be banned from any group that they are on. It is beyond disgraceful to do this in the name of boredome...It has happened before and will more than likely happen again. Go do something constructive for heaven's sake. Evelyn www.alternasense.com " If you don't talk to your cat about Catnip, Who will. " I can't believe that someone would have the gall to post something like this, especially if it was done out of pure boredom because " this list is boring " . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 NOW is getting a bad reputation, but if this is the cause of her death, I am horrified...We use mostly Aura Cacia, but we have a few EO's made by NOW..no sandalwood, though. [Dave:] NOW essential oils are low quality, and there have been purity issues. My understanding is that lab tests have revealed adulterants in their EOs. Some of them are fine for soapmaking and general household use (lavender, tea tree), but no way would I use them in any product that was intended to have a therapeutic purpose. We don’t use sandalwood because it is severely endangered. _____ -- Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release 4/7/2006 -- Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release 4/7/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I have NEVER read such gubbins since last time I wrecked my eyes reading a YL web site.... I could spend an hour reasoning the why & why nots this couldn't have happened - starting with imeadeate international headlines calling for a ban on Sandalwood - and all EO's - led by an emergency meeting of the EU consumer products committee, alerted by the FDA - this kind of thing just wouldn't stay *local* - and ending with how convenient the cream was laying on the bed next to her.... But I've not got the time to waste on your silly prank. Not funny Martha, You may be bored, but find some other place to vent your dissatisfaction with life - or get a life. Liz , " Martha Keister " <soapsis wrote: > > I've got some very serious news for anyone using sandalwood EO from > NOW. Two weeks ago I had made a leg cream out of it and I gave it to > my neighbor. A week later they found her dead and she had the cream > laying on the bed next to her--- they did an autopsy. The coroner said > it was a reaction to the sandalwood that reacted with her Hormone > Replacement Therapy (HRT). They tried to find out where she got the > cream, but the jar was unlabeled so they did'nt know it was mine. I'm > too scared to tell anyone. The only ingredients were Sandalwood, cocoa > butter and olive oil. The coroner indicated that it was the sandalwood > that caused the reaction. > > God this list is so boring.lol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I have to state that I think it is totally irresponsible, let alone illegal, to make up " a cream " and give it to someone to use with no labelling whatsoever. [Dave:] I have a feeling that someone is playing a joke on us. But it highlights the dangers we put ourselves in when we make our “natural” products and give them to people with the implication – if not an actual claim – that it will do something good for them. There is always the possibility that someone will react to something. I hope this didn’t really happen. _____ -- Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release 4/7/2006 -- Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release 4/7/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I believe that this seems to be the case where a person (Martha) might need some professional rebuke (although I'm not even sure about that) but they also may need help and support, a great deal of it. Much more so, actually, than when someone comes to the list and complains that they were not properly welcomed to the group - in which case everyone seems to be very eager to provide support and apologies. [Dave:] Thank you, Nika. I think you’ve brought an important voice to this discussion. _____ -- Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release 4/7/2006 -- Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.0/304 - Release 4/7/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I hope this member has been removed from the list Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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