The great debate

[Guest guest]

Dear Martin,

I would very much appreciate your views on the books that I have obtained to

learn more about EO's .

What is your opinion of the book mentioned below (which I also bought) and

Aromatherapy and for Scentual Awareness (by Judith White and Karen Downes)

and the Directory of Essential Oils (by Wanda sellar).

I would appreciate your views.......................herbally yours Penny (up

to now only using teas and tincs and creams form grown herbs)

On 6/18/06, dzmg2000 <dzmg wrote:

>

> I have been following this line of discussion very closely. Being new

> to using essential oils, I am not sure what sources that I should

> trust. I bought two books that I thought would be helpful, however,

> after hearing this debate and about many people not really knowing what

> they are talking about, I don't know if I should trust this

> information. Martin, perhaps you could help me. If you have heard of

> these books and/or the people that have written them, as to how

> reliable they are as a source of good information. The first book is

> called 500 Formulas for Aromatherepy (Mixing Essential Oils for Every

> Use) by Carol & David Schiller. The other one is called The Complete

> Book of Essential Oils & Aromatherapy by Valerie Ann Worwood. What

> other books and/or websites would you recommend for those of us that

> want to learn? And which ones should we stay away from??

>

> Thanks so much for you help, since I would like to learn it right the

> first time :-)

>

> Donna

>

>

>

 

 

 

--

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[Guest guest]

This is the issue. Mr. Young is well known for his previous schemes,

fake cancer treatments. You can read his history at

http://www.quackwatch.org/11Ind/young.html

 

Gary Young preys on the ignorant and the worst thing is that

the " customers " that seek these services often have compromised health

and are in need of care. To me this is inexcusable.

 

This little bit of history alone should give anyone pause for thought.

 

" By 1981, Young moved to Spokane and opened the Golden Six Health Club

in Sprague, Washington. Although he had no training in obstetrics, he

decided to deliver his wife's baby underwater in a whirlpool bath at

the health club. He left the baby under water for almost an hour,

causing the death of an apparently healthy infant on September 4,

1982. Although the coroner said that the baby would have lived if she

had been delivered in a conventional manner, Young was never charged

in that case. His plans for an underwater delivery the previous year

had been thwarted when a health department caseworker threatened to

prosecute him if he followed through with the plan [3-7].

 

In March 1983, Young was arrested in Spokane for practicing medicine

without a license when he offered to provide an undercover agent with

prenatal services and to treat her mother for cancer. "

 

It goes on and on from there. This man is dangerous and has no respect

for human life. If I were you, I would recommend the 3 students read

up on the history of this man.

 

Also: He has a high school diploma, and no other certification,

titles, or legitimate training of any sort.

Joanne

, Macha02012 <macha02012

wrote:

In my current class I have 3 students who 'trained' with Young

Living. All three of them tried the treatment Gary Young devised

with straight eo's on the spine (sorry, don't know the mix or the

name of the treatment) and two of the three reported an excruciating

burning feeling in the areas the oils were applied. All of these

people had a practice going based on their 'training' with YL and

reported that several of their clients complained of the same pain

from the oils. Why a person would keep doing something that hurts or

use it on a client is beyond my comprehension...All three of these

students claimed truly unbelievable massage benefits and benefits

from wrapping with essential oils. The information they were

spreading was rather frightening when I thought about them out in the

public venue.

[Guest guest]

Hello Donna:

 

I am sure everybody will disagree with me but I enjoy Valerie Ann

Worwoods books very much!! I have found her information to be very

accurate. I have tried several of her recipes and found them to work

wonders. She also has a DVD about aromatherapy massage that I found

useful for self massage.

 

Sincerely,

 

Debbie

[Guest guest]

I know that Mugwort is not the oil of choice for most

aromatherapists including myself. I also know that it does cause

abortion that is why I have it clearly posted that Mugwort should

NOT be used during pregnancy. I listed this oil as I have had

requests for it from customers who practice Wiccan.

 

My question for you and a a few others on this board is, if

essential oils are not taken into the blood stream then why are oils

such as mugwort so dangerous?

 

Debbie

 

, PACorapi wrote:

>

>

> I usually don't get involved in these skirmishes, but after

thinking about

> this all day I must. There are a lot of newbies on this list and

I don't want

> them getting information from your website and utilizing it.

Debbie - I have

> to agree with Martin and Graham. Your website is giving very poor

and

> misleading information. Your page on mugwort essential oil is out

and out

> dangerous. Mugwort EO has no business in the Aromatherapy field.

I can tell you

> what book you took 90% of your information from. (Hope you have

permission from

> the author or at least paid for it.) The information you posted

on your

> website is for the herb mugwort not the Essential oil Mugwort.

Two completely

> different products and usage. Also, crushed mugwort leaves (the

actual dried

> leaves) are used by some for sleep pillows or to just smell for

psychic

> awareness or dreams and/or for astral projection. Even the

fluffy herbal pillow

> making people give warnings. The scent from these dried leaves

can do this -

> imaging what the extremely highly concentrated essential oil can

do. You

> state on your site that Mugwort EO is a tonic for the uterus. In

reality, it's

> an abortifacient (the EO) which means it will cause an abortion.

The one

> piece of information you didn't use from the book you took the

rest of the

> information from.

>

> The first thing you really need to learn is that there is a major

difference

> between essential oils and using the herbs themselves.

>

> I would be interested in seeing who you have trained with and what

books are

> in your reference library. Also, a case study from one of your

clients.

> Especially, since you are considering yourself to be an equal to

Martin Watt on

> the professional level. And what lab are you using to perform

your GC

> testing on all your oil batches?

>

> There are numerous things I could pick apart on your website. I

am not

> personally attacking and I don't sell any of these products expect

for some books

> and lamps that I really need to move out of my inventory. Martin

has made

> it his life's purpose to try to educate people on these type of

websites. I'm

> educated to know you don't have a clue about the use of medical

plants in

> any form.

>

> Also on this list, Thursday is ad day with an opening of ad in the

subject

> line. You have just recently joined this list and seem to be

here only to

> promote your own website. I have read posts by other newbies who

don't have

> money to buy books and will probably use your website as a

reference. I pray

> this does not happen. And I pray you do no harm to yourself,

your family or

> your clients. Herbs and essential oils are wonderful gifts from

Mother Earth -

> please learn to use and respect them before you really hurt

someone innocent.

>

> Green Blessings

> Patty Corapi

>

> PS. Martin is our resident crusty troll - he just states it and

lets the

> chips fall where they may. Once you're on the list awhile if

either of you stay

> you will learn. I have been on some pretty hot lists with some

of these

> guys and believe you me this was nothing. A glass of water wasn't

even needed to

> put it out. LOL

>

>

>

> There are

>

> In a message dated 6/18/2006 7:47:52 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> debbie writes:

>

>

>

> Hello Joanne:

>

> I appreciate your input and would appreciate Martin's input as

well if

> he were to give it in a respectful manner. I find that you catch

more

> flies with honey then you do with vinigar.

>

> Debbie

>

>

 

[Guest guest]

One Little correction... It' was Golds Gym on Sprague ( I actually was a

member once there a long time before GY was there. It's not the " best " part

of town, certainly not then) and he was a manager not an owner. At that

point in his life, he was still married to his first wife and didn't have

two sheckles to rub together. It wasn't until his second marriage that he

found out about EO's, started stealing recipes and making all sorts of

ridiculous claims to make any of his money.

 

I know, doesn't really matter, but hey... it might to someone.;-)

 

K

 

 

On 6/19/06, shupy3 <jwittenbrook wrote:

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--

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie

 

When I first got " into " aromatherapy I too enjoyed Valerie Ann Worwoods books.

But after a modicum of research I realised that there was nothing in there that

indicated any actual findings from any quotable research. You will find Geranium

oil in lots of her recipies with no reason for it being there. She doesn't

(didn't) quote any botanical names for the oils she used nor did she reference

any useful research. She, like in hundreds of other books, quotes the effects of

EOs which are really supposed to be the effects of herbal decotations or

infusions.

 

I no longer recommend her books for any serious study of AT.

 

Graham Sorenson

 

http://Luna-Aromatics.com Come and stick your nose in our business

The Home of " Arizona Balm " the Natural Solution to Problem Dry Skin.

Hand Made Soaps, Soy Wax Candles, Lip Balms and more Good Stuff

Retail and Wholesale.

http://TheGuideToAromatherapy.com

-

Debbie Marty

Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:29 AM

Re: The great debate

 

 

Hello Donna:

 

I am sure everybody will disagree with me but I enjoy Valerie Ann

Worwoods books very much!! I have found her information to be very

accurate. I have tried several of her recipes and found them to work

wonders. She also has a DVD about aromatherapy massage that I found

useful for self massage.

 

Sincerely,

 

Debbie

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Essential oils are the volatile plant oils. They enter the air

quickly, and are breathed in. That is how they get into the body.

Essential oils used in aromatherapy are meant to be inhaled. That is

how they enter the body.

 

Joanne

, " Debbie Marty " <debbie

wrote:

>

> I know that Mugwort is not the oil of choice for most

> aromatherapists including myself. I also know that it does cause

> abortion that is why I have it clearly posted that Mugwort should

> NOT be used during pregnancy. I listed this oil as I have had

> requests for it from customers who practice Wiccan.

>

> My question for you and a a few others on this board is, if

> essential oils are not taken into the blood stream then why are oils

> such as mugwort so dangerous?

>

> Debbie

>

> , PACorapi@ wrote:

[Guest guest]

So could you please recommend a good, reliable book? thanks

 

 

, " Graham Sorenson "

<lunaaromatics wrote:

>

>

> I no longer recommend her books for any serious study of AT.

>

[Guest guest]

Valerie Ann Worwood was the first book I bought back in 1996 and I

tried a number of her concoctions and I found her yeast infection

one to be very good - probably dangerous as heck for all I know.

But I agree also, if you're running a business and dealing with the

public, you wouldn't want to go recommending the book.

 

Michele Madison Robles

Danaomi Scents

 

, " Graham Sorenson "

<lunaaromatics wrote:

>

> Hi Debbie

>

> When I first got " into " aromatherapy I too enjoyed Valerie Ann

Worwoods books. But after a modicum of research I realised that

there was nothing in there that indicated any actual findings from

any quotable research. You will find Geranium oil in lots of her

recipies with no reason for it being there. She doesn't (didn't)

quote any botanical names for the oils she used nor did she

reference any useful research. She, like in hundreds of other books,

quotes the effects of EOs which are really supposed to be the

effects of herbal decotations or infusions.

>

> I no longer recommend her books for any serious study of AT.

>

> Graham Sorenson

[Guest guest]

At 04:05 PM 6/21/2006, you wrote:

>My question for you and a a few others on this board is, if

>essential oils are not taken into the blood stream then why are oils

>such as mugwort so dangerous?

 

There are all sorts of ways that EO's, used unwisely, can be dangerous.

 

But what your site seems to say is that the EO's penetrate the skin, are

absorbed into the bloodstream via topical application. and go on to

oxygenate the blood and whatever.

 

It's my understanding that the phytochemicals that DO penetrate the skin

are the ones most known as strong sensitizers...

 

and, of course, the methyl sal in wintergreen or sweet birch, which

unfortunately DOES penetrate the skin and can cause liver damage.

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Graham:

 

I agree with you about Valerie's books not containing research OR

botanical names for the oils she uses in her recipes. I have used

her books as a general reference for recipes and then researched

them on my own. Not all of her recipes are great but some have been

very useful. I would not recommend the book as the almighty bible

of how to use essential oils by any means however for beginners it

gives people a general idea of how to get started.

 

Best Regards,

 

Debbie

 

, " Graham Sorenson "

<lunaaromatics wrote:

>

> Hi Debbie

>

> When I first got " into " aromatherapy I too enjoyed Valerie Ann

Worwoods books. But after a modicum of research I realised that

there was nothing in there that indicated any actual findings from

any quotable research. You will find Geranium oil in lots of her

recipies with no reason for it being there. She doesn't (didn't)

quote any botanical names for the oils she used nor did she

reference any useful research. She, like in hundreds of other books,

quotes the effects of EOs which are really supposed to be the

effects of herbal decotations or infusions.

>

> I no longer recommend her books for any serious study of AT.

>

> Graham Sorenson

>

> http://Luna-Aromatics.com Come and stick your nose in our

business

> The Home of " Arizona Balm " the Natural Solution to Problem Dry

Skin.

> Hand Made Soaps, Soy Wax Candles, Lip Balms and more Good Stuff

> Retail and Wholesale.

> http://TheGuideToAromatherapy.com

> -

> Debbie Marty

>

> Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:29 AM

> Re: The great debate

>

>

> Hello Donna:

>

> I am sure everybody will disagree with me but I enjoy Valerie

Ann

> Worwoods books very much!! I have found her information to be

very

> accurate. I have tried several of her recipes and found them to

work

> wonders. She also has a DVD about aromatherapy massage that I

found

> useful for self massage.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Debbie

>

>

>

>

>

>