EO information and disinformation and myths

[Guest guest]

Hi Kathleen,

 

>Do EO molecules pass through the skin... Some parts of them might, the

>majority of them being too large to do so. Do they enter the blood

stream?

>Not likely

 

Can you point me to scientific research backing this up?

 

TIA.

 

Love,

 

Saskia

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Suggest you read the article on my web site which contains scientific

references. It is a few years old but nothing has changed on this

subject.

 

Martin Watt

http://www.aromamedical.com

 

, " Saskia Van Besauw "

<Saskia.VanBesauw wrote:

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> Hi Kathleen,

>

> >Do EO molecules pass through the skin... Some parts of them might,

the

> >majority of them being too large to do so. Do they enter the blood

> stream?

> >Not likely

>

> Can you point me to scientific research backing this up?

>

> TIA.

>

> Love,

>

> Saskia

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[Guest guest]

I would like to see this research as well. That they do not enter into

the bloodstream and are non absorable due to molocule size.

 

Thanks.

 

, " Saskia Van Besauw "

<Saskia.VanBesauw wrote:

>

> Hi Kathleen,

>

> >Do EO molecules pass through the skin... Some parts of them might, the

> >majority of them being too large to do so. Do they enter the blood

> stream?

> >Not likely

>

> Can you point me to scientific research backing this up?

>

> TIA.

>

> Love,

>

> Saskia

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>

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[Guest guest]

> >Do EO molecules pass through the skin... Some parts of them might,

the

> >majority of them being too large to do so. Do they enter the blood

> stream?

> >Not likely

>

> Can you point me to scientific research backing this up?

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm fairly new to this board, and I've been picking and choosing topics

read. I don't like to get involved in online arguements, because I

find them a horrible waste of time, but I'm curious about this one. I,

too, would like to see some research backing up the statement that oils

applied topically do not enter the bloodstream.

 

I read the post about mugwort being inhaled and causing a reaction, but

that does not prove that oils do not enter the bloodstream from topical

application. It only supports the theory that inhalation can cause

reactions, which I'm sure that all of us that have used EOs have

experienced.

 

If topical applications do not enter the bloodstream, why are certain

oils not recommended to be used on the skin? And why in the allopathic

world are there " patches " for various conditions? I'm not saying I

know for sure that they do enter the bloodstream by using them

topically, I'm just saying it's counterintuitive for me to think they

don't.

[Guest guest]

Martin Watt has dedicated his life's work in this area. He also is

well informed on lab studies pertaining to this subject. His website

has a lot of information and the documentation on those studies, how

they were conducted and the published results.

 

http://www.aromamedical.com/articles/skinabso.html

 

Joanne

 

a , " Saskia Van Besauw "

<Saskia.VanBesauw wrote:

>

>>

> Can you point me to scientific research backing this up?

>

> TIA.

>

> Love,

>

> Saskia

>

[Guest guest]

Hi noname

 

Actually the Research should be.. That EOs " Do " enter the bloodstream. Not that

they don't.

 

There is no proof whatso ever that " whole EOs " get through the bloodstream in

any measurable amount

 

There is some slight evidence that " parts " of " some " EOs do get through

Undamaged, skin, but not in any significant amounts.

 

Many of those chemical componants of those " some " EOs are irritants and or

sensitisers.

 

Remember that EOs are not meant to be slathered over the skin undiluted but are

diluted considerably before getting anywhere near the skin to be safe. That in

itself is a deterent to absorbtion when you put a relatively thick carrier oil

on the skin.

 

I could put oregano undiluted on my skin if I wished but it would not be

recommended. It probably would appear in my blood stream if measured BUT would

that be the affect of me breathing in the volitile componants or of it " going

through the barrier that is our biggest organ of elimination?

 

There are NO double blind tests of even a few oils never mind any tests to

confirm the blanket statement that " EOs are absorbed through the skin " !!

 

Proper research would mean that the victims.. (sorry Volunteers) would have to

be wearing a full face mask for breathing to eliminate any possiblity of the

chemical components entering the lungs. Their skin woul have to be tested to

make sure it wasn't compromised in any way. And the atmosphere would have to be

of a tempreature so that the pores of the skin were not dilated abnormally.

 

Probably there would have to be other criteria as well but I'm not a research

scientist so have no clue what they should be.

 

Hope this fuels the debate LOL

 

 

Graham Sorenson

 

http://Luna-Aromatics.com Come and stick your nose in our business

The Home of " Arizona Balm " the Natural Solution to Problem Dry Skin.

Hand Made Soaps, Soy Wax Candles, Lip Balms and more Good Stuff

Retail and Wholesale.

http://TheGuideToAromatherapy.com

 

> >Do EO molecules pass through the skin... Some parts of them might,

the

> >majority of them being too large to do so. Do they enter the blood

> stream?

> >Not likely

>

> Can you point me to scientific research backing this up?

 

Hi Everyone,

 

I'm fairly new to this board, and I've been picking and choosing topics

read. I don't like to get involved in online arguements, because I

find them a horrible waste of time, but I'm curious about this one. I,

too, would like to see some research backing up the statement that oils

applied topically do not enter the bloodstream.

 

I read the post about mugwort being inhaled and causing a reaction, but

that does not prove that oils do not enter the bloodstream from topical

application. It only supports the theory that inhalation can cause

reactions, which I'm sure that all of us that have used EOs have

experienced.

 

If topical applications do not enter the bloodstream, why are certain

oils not recommended to be used on the skin? And why in the allopathic

world are there " patches " for various conditions? I'm not saying I

know for sure that they do enter the bloodstream by using them

topically, I'm just saying it's counterintuitive for me to think they

don't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> If topical applications do not enter the bloodstream, why are

certain oils not recommended to be used on the skin? And why in the

allopathic world are there " patches " for various conditions? I'm not

saying I know for sure that they do enter the bloodstream by using

them topically, I'm just saying it's counterintuitive for me to think

they don't.

 

I can try to answer this. The reason certain oils cannot be used on

the skin is because they are irritants to the skin itself, some of

them can cause photosensitivity. If you look at the nature of rashes,

there are in essence two types of rashes. A surface rash, meaning it

is on the surface of the skin and the other is purporic (sp???-too

lazy to find my medical dictionary) meaning it is a reaction that is

coming internally that can be in the bloodstream. For instance, when

my kids get a rash I do the glass test to see if it is serious enough

for me to take them to the doctor. If you press clear glass

(obviously not hard enough to break) up against the rash and it

disappears then it is a surface rash most likely due to a topical

irritant or allergen. If the bumps still show (like chickenpox would)

then its possibly due to a virus or other internal illness. This is

not to say that surface irritation isn't serious. There have been

reports of people using " neat " citrus oils on the skin and going out

in the sun and it causing serious burns to the skin. This is why

certain oils are contraindicated.

 

A small amount of oil does go into the bloodstream, but that's just

it - a SMALL amount, not enough to bring on any toxin removal and

such. You have to think that in a massage application your EO

contribution is going to be diluted in a carrier oil, so even if it

did go into the blood stream it wouldn't be in a volume high enough to

bring about any results. The reason medical patches work is because

it is made up of the medicine itself and at a dose high enough that

you are continuously wearing this medicine, not getting a 20-60 minute

massage with an essential oil that's mostly carrier oil. Inhallation

is far more powerful than getting a massage. If you look at most of

your scientific research, most results were brought about during

inhalation of the oil. Now there are some EO that's good for eczema

and dry skin because I use this - but many carrier oils can have a

healing effect also.

 

If people are feeling healed, I believe it is coming more from the

massage itself or they are psycho-believing that the oil is doing it.

Heck if some cutie like Orlando Bloom was rubbing me down saying the

EO was canoeing down my bloodstream removing toxins I'd say " hey

whatever you say, babe " and I would probably be so excited by the mere

sound of his voice that I would probably heal myself at that point.

 

I'm sure there are those who can explain it better than I, but that's

just my take on it. By all means go to Martin's website and dig

through his articles, there's some good information there.

 

Michele Madison Robles

Danaomi Scents

[Guest guest]

At 03:33 AM 6/22/2006, you wrote:

>If topical applications do not enter the bloodstream, why are certain

>oils not recommended to be used on the skin?

 

because they can be irritants, photosensitizers, or sensitizers. Three

separate risks, and not all oils fit into any of the above categories.

 

cold pressed bergamot doesn't have to enter the blood stream to set you up

for horrible sun damage if you wear it and are exposed to ultra violet

light. has nothing to do with it's entering the blood stream.

 

> And why in the allopathic

>world are there " patches " for various conditions?

 

if it is so easy for medications to enter the skin, why aren't there

patches for EVERY condition? Because it is very difficult to 'force' a

foreign substance into the skin deeply enough for it to have an effect.

 

> I'm not saying I

>know for sure that they do enter the bloodstream by using them

>topically, I'm just saying it's counterintuitive for me to think they

>don't.

 

Why don't you dissolve when you take a bath or shower from all that water

penetrating your skin, getting into the blood stream and all your organs

and making you melt, like a sugar cube?

 

seems to me if outside liquids entered the skin easily, we would absorb

water far more readily than we do the essential oils or carrier oils.

 

And why is everyone convinced that the eo's enter the skin whole, but

aren't concerned that the carrier oils do? Seems to me that both would

have to... or neither.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Wonderbudder:

 

The reason certain oils should not be applied to the skin or used in

massage is because they have a history of being skin irritants,

photosencitizers, or cause dermititis and other harmful skin

conditions. It is VERY important to research any essential oil you

plan to use in a massage or other type of skin topical application

before applying it to your skin. Essential oils should never be

applied directly to the skin without being diluted in a carrier oil

first. There are certain oils such as lavender and tea tree that

may be used neat in first aid treatments but this is debatable by

others on this board.

 

I am a firm believer that essential oils DO enter the blood stream

when applied to the skin however they also enter the blood stream

through the lungs when inhaled. The reaction the accupuncturist had

from the Mugwort is common. That is a horrible oil (in my opinion)

that causes more harm then good. I inhaled it myself and felt just

horrible afterwards. Mugwort essential oil is most commonly used in

Wiccan practices. There are some aromatherapists that will use this

oil but I strongly recommend not doing so.

 

Have an aroma filled day

 

Debbie

 

 

, " wunderbudder "

<wunderbudder wrote:

>

> > >Do EO molecules pass through the skin... Some parts of them

might,

> the

> > >majority of them being too large to do so. Do they enter the

blood

> > stream?

> > >Not likely

> >

> > Can you point me to scientific research backing this up?

>

> Hi Everyone,

>

> I'm fairly new to this board, and I've been picking and choosing

topics

> read. I don't like to get involved in online arguements, because

I

> find them a horrible waste of time, but I'm curious about this

one. I,

> too, would like to see some research backing up the statement that

oils

> applied topically do not enter the bloodstream.

>

> I read the post about mugwort being inhaled and causing a

reaction, but

> that does not prove that oils do not enter the bloodstream from

topical

> application. It only supports the theory that inhalation can

cause

> reactions, which I'm sure that all of us that have used EOs have

> experienced.

>

> If topical applications do not enter the bloodstream, why are

certain

> oils not recommended to be used on the skin? And why in the

allopathic

> world are there " patches " for various conditions? I'm not saying

I

> know for sure that they do enter the bloodstream by using them

> topically, I'm just saying it's counterintuitive for me to think

they

> don't.

>

[Guest guest]

, " aromamedical2003 "

<aromamedical wrote:

>

> Suggest you read the article on my web site which contains scientific

> references. It is a few years old but nothing has changed on this

> subject.

>

> Martin Watt

> http://www.aromamedical.com

 

 

I really enjoyed searching through your site, but I found nothing that

either proved or disproved this whole thing about oils entering the

bloodstream from topical applications. I spend over an hour looking

and reading, but I can't find anything on this topic. Can you point me

in the right direction?

[Guest guest]

, " Graham Sorenson "

<lunaaromatics wrote:

 

> Hi noname

 

Oops, sorry... it's Lisa...

 

> There is some slight evidence that " parts " of " some " EOs do get

through Undamaged, skin, but not in any significant amounts.

 

If there is evidence, then what is this whole debate about? I must

be missing something...

 

> Remember that EOs are not meant to be slathered over the skin

undiluted but are diluted considerably before getting anywhere near

the skin to be safe.

 

Yes, I know this, and hopfully all people practicing Aromatherapy

know this, but it really doesn't say anything about whether or not

oils are being absorbed into the blood stream.

 

> There are NO double blind tests of even a few oils never mind any

tests to confirm the blanket statement that " EOs are absorbed through

the skin " !!

 

Maybe I was misunderstood? I was just looking for some proof that

oils do not enter the blood stream topically because some people were

so adamant about saying that they do not. And, like I said

originally, I'm not saying I KnowItsTrue, just that it seems

counterintuitive to me that they wouldn't.

 

I'm a chemistry undergrad, aiming toward research of " holistic "

medicine, so maybe next year I can get some victims to experiment on!

 

Lisa

[Guest guest]

Some essential oils cause skin irritation and can also cause burning.

I personally know someone who became sensitized to lavender after

working with it. The repeated contact with lavender essential oil

altered her imune system in such a way that even a very small amount

of the oil will now cause her skin to itch and form hives. If you know

someone with a severe allergy problem you probably know that allergy

reaction can become so severe as to require hospitilisation. When you

go about changing the imune system you are opening Pandora's box.

 

Some essential oils cause photo sensitization. Increased sensitivity

to the sun. In an era where sunblock has been recognized as important

in the prevention of skin cancer, it is not wise to increase the

sensitivity of the skin to ultra violet light.

 

With these kinds of reactions, the problem is not erased by simply

washing the essential oil off. The effects can linger for many months

or even permanently as in the case of sensitization.

 

Another potential danger is with people who have existing allergies.

In a study of children in switzerland it was found that those who

exhibited sensitivity to pollen were very likely to be sensitive to

both chamomile and mugwort. The interesting thing is that it was found

that not only were they sensitive to the pollen, they were also

sensitive to the oil expressed from non-blooming plants. The essential

oil itself carried the allergen.

 

Anyone who has suffered asthma or other allergic reactions can

understand where the danger lies in some of these substances. If it

can cause problems on the surface of the skin, imagine the damage it

could do by entering the blood stream.

 

As I mentioned in a previous post, the transdermal method of drug

delivery has taken a good deal of research to develop. The reason is

that your skin does not automatically suck up anything placed on it.

If it did, just imagine the various substances you come in contact

with everyday that you would not want pumping through your blood. Your

skin is a valuable part of your immune system. It's main job is to

keep things out of your body.

 

Joanne

 

, " wunderbudder " >

> If topical applications do not enter the bloodstream, why are

certain

> oils not recommended to be used on the skin? And why in the

allopathic

> world are there " patches " for various conditions? I'm not saying I

> know for sure that they do enter the bloodstream by using them

> topically, I'm just saying it's counterintuitive for me to think

they

> don't.

>

[Guest guest]

All well and fine. I've read Martins website and Butches lenghtly

explanations were particularily well delivered and persuasive.

 

However, I have yet to have one of my questions answered with regard

to Dr. Valnet. (medical doctor). I have not heard anyone in rebuttal

or read well researched material that refutes scientifically his

recommended use of EO's internally. Widely respected in Europe, he

seems to be quite the Heretic in America. Now why is that......

 

Anyones comments would be most welcome.

 

Carol Ann

 

 

 

, " wunderbudder "

<wunderbudder wrote:

>

> , " aromamedical2003 "

> <aromamedical@> wrote:

> >

> > Suggest you read the article on my web site which contains scientific

> > references. It is a few years old but nothing has changed on this

> > subject.

> >

> > Martin Watt

> > http://www.aromamedical.com

>

>

> I really enjoyed searching through your site, but I found nothing that

> either proved or disproved this whole thing about oils entering the

> bloodstream from topical applications. I spend over an hour looking

> and reading, but I can't find anything on this topic. Can you point me

> in the right direction?

>

[Guest guest]

At 01:35 PM 6/22/2006, you wrote:

> There are certain oils such as lavender and tea tree that

>may be used neat in first aid treatments but this is debatable by

>others on this board.

 

Shall all those who have been sensitized to lavender raise their hands? I

will, Graham's wife will... and there are others, but I don't know if they

are on this list, Debbie.

 

>I am a firm believer that essential oils DO enter the blood stream

>when applied to the skin however they also enter the blood stream

>through the lungs when inhaled.

 

well, it's nice that you believe it. And that you believe it firmly.

 

however...research proves that the oils enter the bloodstream when inhaled.

 

As Martin's page points out, the research indicating that essential oils,

applied topically enter the blood stream do NOT have the patients using an

independant air supply, so we know that inhalation has had to play a

part. We KNOW inhalation works.

 

dermal penetration (other than by certain listed phytochemicals, all of

which are known sensitizers) is, apparently, a matter of faith.

 

and, of course, matters of belief don't need to be proven or disproven.

 

 

 

Over 10 years online supplying Aromatherapy and Healthcare Professionals

Essential Oils, Hydrosols, Accessories, Hard to find Books and Videos

<http://www.naturesgift.com>

[Guest guest]

Graham's wife here, Debbie, raising her hand. Actually, I'm Lynda, YOU'RE

Debbie, LOL. Yes, I do occasionally read his emails, but what the heck, he

reads mine. Tho what excitement he finds on the knitting lists I don't know.

:-D

 

But yes, I am sensitized to Lavender from neat usuage on mosquito bites. Maybe

ten bites? And I am not only just sensitized to Lavender now. That started the

whole ugly sensitization ball rolling and I am now sensitized to all EOs, all

perfumes, most of the native plants here in Tucson, cats, dogs, people who own

cats and dogs, chemicals... I had to quit my career of 20-something years and

we had to close our business. I cannot work more than part time because of

fatigue. Last year I earned less than half of what I used to make in one month.

Graham has to work a full time job plus do the farmer's markets on weekend for

us to make it financially.

 

I can no longer take my beloved morning walks for excersize. I can't lift

anything of any weight. Going to the grocery store is a major expedition that I

have to undertake when my peak flows are doing great, forget it on bad days. A

year ago I had the flu, then pneumonia, then bronchitis, then pneumonia again,

all in 3 months. Followed by another respiratory infection 2 months later.

 

Unfortunately I could go on and on about how this has impacted our lives

emotionally, financially, physically. I am most fortunate to have an INCREDIBLY

supportive, understanding and loving husband to help me through this. I won't

go into too much detail about what life is like on a daily basis becasue I

choose to focus instead on what I can do, it is so much more positive for me to

live with. But you all need to know as well just how limiting this has been,

for your own safety and well-being, as well as for other's.

 

And the irony of all this is that other than my mistake of using the Lavender

neat on those few mosquito bites, anyone here could tell you I was always a

FIERCE advocate for safety, safe practices and safe dilutions. If anything I

erred on the side of safety more often that not.

 

One could argue that I had a predisposition to sensitization. Obviously this is

true, or it wouldn't have happened. The clincher is that no one KNEW I had such

a predisposition. Until after it happened. Here is what I always tell people:

For some people it takes 50 gallons of an oil before they are sensitized. For

others it only takes 50 drops. You won't know if you are the 50 gallons or the

50 drops person until AFTER it has happened to you and then it is too late. And

it is for life.

 

This is serious stuff. It has probably shortened my life expectancy. When bird

flu hits I may as well bend over and kiss my bum goodbye.

 

You doubters out there don't think it can happen? Let me tell you, it can

happen. And I am still living with it all these years later. This is said with

love and it comes from the heart: Don't do what I did to yourself or others.

 

On a better and brighter note, waving to all my old buddies on the list,

including Marge, Butch, Martin and Chris. I miss you guys.

 

:-X

Lynda

 

 

Graham Sorenson

 

http://Luna-Aromatics.com Come and stick your nose in our business

The Home of " Arizona Balm " the Natural Solution to Problem Dry Skin.

Hand Made Soaps, Soy Wax Candles, Lip Balms and more Good Stuff

Retail and Wholesale.

http://TheGuideToAromatherapy.com

-

Marge Clark

Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:32 PM

Re: EO information and disinformation and myths

 

 

At 01:35 PM 6/22/2006, you wrote:

> There are certain oils such as lavender and tea tree that

>may be used neat in first aid treatments but this is debatable by

>others on this board.

 

Shall all those who have been sensitized to lavender raise their hands? I

will, Graham's wife will... and there are others, but I don't know if they

are on this list, Debbie.

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lynda:

 

I know of your illness and subsequent retreat from your business and daily

activities, and it is just horrible that you're suffering so much! I have

minor ailments compared to you, and I know how they limit me, and how I'm

always looking for a " cure " , as I'm sure you are. Well, actually after

reading your post, can I ask if you are still looking for a cure, or

relief? If I'm reading between the lines successfully, it seems you may not

be. Don't give up and just " live with it " , fight for a more complete

diagnosis and try to get to the root of the problem.

 

Bottom line I got from reading your post -- you need a second and third, or

fourth opinion. There's just too much going on to be sensitization only.

Yes, sensitization may be a big part of it, but I'm suspecting Lyme disease

or lupus with perhaps some fibromyalgia (non-medical, intuitive diagnosis! ;-(

 

Has your liver been looked at? I truly believe some of the symptoms you

report could be lessened by liver support herbs. Medical care is so iffy,

and finding an alternative treatment center is often hard, but I thoroughly

encourage you to do so. Even eliminating half the symptoms would make your

life easier.

 

Here's hoping you find some relief.

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[Guest guest]

>Can you point me in the right direction?

Certainly, go to a major library/s like I did and get copies of the

dozens of papers on this subject. Read them and analyse what is

being done and how. You will find some references in my article on

this, so I am puzzled as to why you are saying there is no proof for

or against. The Internet is of very little help on such subjects.

 

Martin Watt

 

 

, " wunderbudder "

<wunderbudder wrote:

>

> , " aromamedical2003 "

> <aromamedical@> wrote:

> >

> > Suggest you read the article on my web site which contains

scientific

> > references. It is a few years old but nothing has changed on

this

> > subject.

> >

> > Martin Watt

> > http://www.aromamedical.com

>

>

> I really enjoyed searching through your site, but I found nothing

that

> either proved or disproved this whole thing about oils entering the

> bloodstream from topical applications. I spend over an hour

looking

> and reading, but I can't find anything on this topic. Can you point

me

> in the right direction?

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Lynda,

To say that is it sad that you've become so physically handicapped and

removed from a business you loved would certainly be an

understatement. But, please excuse me, from reading your post I have

to ask.....do you truly believe that Lavender sensitization alone was

the sole and exclusive cause of your present illness?

 

You mention being bitten by misquitoes and having an aversion to cats,

dogs as well as chemicals, lethargy and chronic fatigue. What you

are conveying sounds like is a rather serious supression of the immune

system from some pathogen which could actually stem from any number of

causes.

 

That your last association with good healh and your subsequent

contact with Lavender was apparently the beginning of your illness,

true. But, in fact it could have been the misquitoes, or a tick bite

gone unnoticed that is causing your problems.

 

And if we are speaking to clinical data that is reliable as opposed

to conjecture and hypothetical theory, has there ever been a

documented case of Lavender Oil or any EO causing (aside from

sensitization) such systemic breakdown in the immune system?

 

Have you been tested to rule out other pathogens that cause Lyme, or

nanobacteria, mycoplasma, etc. etc.

 

It is at all possible that you have made Lavender Oil to be the

culprit when it was not?

 

You may perceive my questions to be forward and out of bounds but if

in fact you are suffering from any of the above mentioned pathogens,

and not merely EO sesensitization, you need to get on the ball and do

something to rebuild you system.....quickly.

 

Regards,

 

 

, " Graham Sorenson "

<lunaaromatics wrote:

>

> Graham's wife here, Debbie, raising her hand. Actually, I'm Lynda,

YOU'RE Debbie, LOL. Yes, I do occasionally read his emails, but what

the heck, he reads mine. Tho what excitement he finds on the knitting

lists I don't know. :-D

>

> But yes, I am sensitized to Lavender from neat usuage on mosquito

bites. Maybe ten bites? And I am not only just sensitized to

Lavender now. That started the whole ugly sensitization ball rolling

and I am now sensitized to all EOs, all perfumes, most of the native

plants here in Tucson, cats, dogs, people who own cats and dogs,

chemicals... I had to quit my career of 20-something years and we had

to close our business. I cannot work more than part time because of

fatigue. Last year I earned less than half of what I used to make in

one month. Graham has to work a full time job plus do the farmer's

markets on weekend for us to make it financially.

>

> I can no longer take my beloved morning walks for excersize. I

can't lift anything of any weight. Going to the grocery store is a

major expedition that I have to undertake when my peak flows are doing

great, forget it on bad days. A year ago I had the flu, then

pneumonia, then bronchitis, then pneumonia again, all in 3 months.

Followed by another respiratory infection 2 months later.

>

> Unfortunately I could go on and on about how this has impacted our

lives emotionally, financially, physically. I am most fortunate to

have an INCREDIBLY supportive, understanding and loving husband to

help me through this. I won't go into too much detail about what

life is like on a daily basis becasue I choose to focus instead on

what I can do, it is so much more positive for me to live with. But

you all need to know as well just how limiting this has been, for your

own safety and well-being, as well as for other's.

>

> And the irony of all this is that other than my mistake of using the

Lavender neat on those few mosquito bites, anyone here could tell you

I was always a FIERCE advocate for safety, safe practices and safe

dilutions. If anything I erred on the side of safety more often that

not.

>

> One could argue that I had a predisposition to sensitization.

Obviously this is true, or it wouldn't have happened. The clincher is

that no one KNEW I had such a predisposition. Until after it

happened. Here is what I always tell people: For some people it

takes 50 gallons of an oil before they are sensitized. For others it

only takes 50 drops. You won't know if you are the 50 gallons or the

50 drops person until AFTER it has happened to you and then it is too

late. And it is for life.

>

> This is serious stuff. It has probably shortened my life

expectancy. When bird flu hits I may as well bend over and kiss my

bum goodbye.

>

> You doubters out there don't think it can happen? Let me tell you,

it can happen. And I am still living with it all these years later.

This is said with love and it comes from the heart: Don't do what I

did to yourself or others.

>

> On a better and brighter note, waving to all my old buddies on the

list, including Marge, Butch, Martin and Chris. I miss you guys.

>

> :-X

> Lynda

>

>

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>

> Thursday, June 22, 2006 4:32 PM

> Re: EO information and disinformation

and myths

>

>

> At 01:35 PM 6/22/2006, you wrote:

> > There are certain oils such as lavender and tea tree that

> >may be used neat in first aid treatments but this is debatable by

> >others on this board.

>

> Shall all those who have been sensitized to lavender raise their

hands? I

> will, Graham's wife will... and there are others, but I don't know

if they

> are on this list, Debbie.

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[Guest guest]

Saffireskyes,

 

I have a friend who is Deathly allergic to Lavender... When you are that

allergic to something yes it causes big problems...

 

I'm highly allergic to mold... If I have minor exposure to it I suffer from

all sorts of immune issues, fatigue, irritable bowel syndrome, and that in

itself can cause depressive symptoms {It's not a fun thing to deal with...

And I have tried every cleanse in the book etc to get rid of it.}... And

there have been studies that show that depression can cause issues with the

immune system...

 

Maybe the Lavender isn't the whole cause, but it certainly sounds like one

of the factors...

 

 

 

Jennifer

 

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06/23/06 15:46:10

 

Re: EO information and disinformation and myths

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Lynda,

 

I'm sorry you are going through such a hard time. I have found a

couple of articles (if you haven't already read them and others who

are interested. I just thought about it in relation to what you

have.

 

http://users.california.com/~hawk/B-Sorg-MCS-

PotentialRoleForNeuralSensitization1999-Research-34-pages.htm

http://www.mapcruzin.com/news/rtk030903a.htm

http://www.mcs-

global.org/Documents/PDFs/AAEM_Syllabus1.pdf#search='fatigue%2C%

20perfume%20sensitization%20multiple%20chemical%20sensitivity'

 

> One could argue that I had a predisposition to sensitization.

Obviously this is true, or it wouldn't have happened. The clincher

is that no one KNEW I had such a predisposition. Until after it

happened. Here is what I always tell people: For some people it

takes 50 gallons of an oil before they are sensitized. For others

it only takes 50 drops. You won't know if you are the 50 gallons or

the 50 drops person until AFTER it has happened to you and then it

is too late. And it is for life.

 

We live in this world and sometimes you just never know that the

seemingly could bring us down. I saw a health show last year where

a woman almost died from taking a common antibiotic for a flu. Her

skin over her entire body reacted to the drug and it pretty much

deteriorated, she was in intensive care for weeks and the pain was

beyond belief. The upside, she reported that her new skin is like

that of a baby's.

 

For everyone else, if you're getting into this field and are dealing

with the public, it's best to research, research, and research and

don't make claims unless you can back them up, because a) you don't

want to intentionally or careless harm anyone and b) there will

always be someone who knows more than you and call you on your

# & @!. When I talk to my clients, I warn them about the risks and

that it's their decision if they want to use these products or not.

I can only make them so safe. You can dilute lavender appropriately

and I bet there will still be one person out there who could have a

severe reaction to it. If a girl can die from kissing her boyfriend

who just ate a peanut, pretty much anything can kill you.

 

I just do the best I can, I can't do anymore than that.

 

Michele Madison Robles

Danaomi Scents

[Guest guest]

I am a firm believer that essential oils DO enter the blood stream

when applied to the skin however they also enter the blood stream

through the lungs when inhaled.

 

[Dave:] As far as being absorbed through the skin, that’s a no-brainer.

Just what and how much may be open to discussion, but whether, is not.

Anyone who handles EOs has to understand that he is using potentially

dangerous substances. My expertise is not in aromatherapy but rather in

soapmaking and to a lesser extent, lotions and other products that are

applied to the skin. Even in my soaps, a wash-off product, I use EOs quite

sparingly. I do NOT believe in using them as perfumes or in place of FOs

(which I never use at all) – except in very small amounts and then only

certain ones I am sure are safe. I use EOs at levels that I believe are

safe and hope may be beneficial, but NOT saturating my soaps in the hope

that the benefits of the herbs may be transferred to the internal organs or

the immune system or whatever.

 

Some of my soaps smell wonderful, and others have virtually no scent. I

will sometimes add a little of this or that EO to enhance the scent, but

only if I am certain that no harm will be done. For instance, I find that

30 or 40 drops of patchouli per pound of soap adds a certain

je-ne-sais-quois to many herbal scents. Ditto ylang ylang, rose otto, and a

few others. But that’s about as far as I am willing to go in the area of

scent alone. Oils like the mints, eucalyptus, may chang, lavender, and tea

tree are safe to use in a wash-off product, and I feel they do have

beneficial effects on the skin, or at least on the bathing experience.

 

When I began making soaps I was told, over and over, that scent is what

sells the product. I understand the reasons behind this conventional

wisdom, but I also made a conscious decision not to let scent be the main

reason people might buy my soaps. This means that part of my job involves

educating the people who use my products. I give away lots of free samples,

and I issue an informative newsletter several times a year. I am careful

never to make medical or any other claims that I can’t back up.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, " aromamedical2003 "

<aromamedical wrote:

>

> >Can you point me in the right direction?

> Certainly, go to a major library/s like I did and get copies of the

> dozens of papers on this subject. Read them and analyse what is

> being done and how. You will find some references in my article on

> this, so I am puzzled as to why you are saying there is no proof for

> or against. The Internet is of very little help on such subjects.

>

> Martin Watt

 

The Internet is getting better, but if you want to find a good

resource colleges are a good source for finding articles and papers.

They have their own internal ethernet access to professional journals,

newspapers, articles. I didn't even know about this until I started

school. I found some good resources on aromatherapy studies.

 

Michele Madison Robles

Danaomi Scents

[Guest guest]

>>Can you point me in the right direction?

>Certainly, go to a major library/s like I did and get copies of the

>dozens of papers on this subject. Read them and analyse what is

>being done and how. You will find some references in my article on

>this, so I am puzzled as to why you are saying there is no proof for

>or against. The Internet is of very little help on such subjects.

 

I meant on your website, since you had said that the proof was there. Yes, I

can go to a library, but that is not what I'm asking about.

 

I didn't see any references in any articles, hence my asking for you to point

me in the right direction. Again, the right direction on your website.

 

 

 

 

 

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

 

 

[Guest guest]

>>because they can be irritants, photosensitizers, or sensitizers. Three

>>separate risks, and not all oils fit into any of the above categories.

 

Two separate issues. Yes, there are oils that are skin sensitizers, but that

is a separate issue from wether or not oils enter the bloodstream when applied

topically.

 

>>if it is so easy for medications to enter the skin, why aren't there

>>patches for EVERY condition? Because it is very difficult to 'force' a

>>foreign substance into the skin deeply enough for it to have an effect.

 

Allopathic medications work best when taken orally. Again, two separate

issues.

 

>>Why don't you dissolve when you take a bath or shower from all that water

>>penetrating your skin, getting into the blood stream and all your organs

>>and making you melt, like a sugar cube?

 

Huh? Where is the correlation between skin melting and oils penetrating the

skin?

 

>>seems to me if outside liquids entered the skin easily, we would absorb

>>water far more readily than we do the essential oils or carrier oils.

 

Our skin does absorb water.

 

>>And why is everyone convinced that the eo's enter the skin whole, but

>>aren't concerned that the carrier oils do? Seems to me that both would

>>have to... or neither.

 

I never said I didn't think that carrier oils were absorbed into the skin. I

think that most things you put on your skin can be absorbed. Which is one of

the reasons why I don't use chemical cleaners, most make-up, synthetic lotions,

etc.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

>I didn't see any references in any articles,

Well I don't know what you were reading because there 5 references in

my article on skin absorption.

 

Also, numerous references in other articles on different issues. So I

suggest you go back to my site and check.

 

Martin Watt

http://www.aromamedical.com

 

, Wunder Budder

<wunderbudder wrote:

>

> >>Can you point me in the right direction?

> >Certainly, go to a major library/s like I did and get copies of

the

> >dozens of papers on this subject. Read them and analyse what is

> >being done and how. You will find some references in my article on

> >this, so I am puzzled as to why you are saying there is no proof

for

> >or against. The Internet is of very little help on such subjects.

>

> I meant on your website, since you had said that the proof was

there. Yes, I can go to a library, but that is not what I'm asking

about.

>

> I didn't see any references in any articles, hence my asking for

you to point me in the right direction. Again, the right direction

on your website.

>

>

>

>

>

> Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

>

>