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This is at least 5 years old, but for newcomers it may contain some

useful information.

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Someone questioned my statements that; " therapeutic actions from a

herbal preparation are frequently unjustified when the same plants

oil is used " .

 

This is a highly complex issue and not something the vast majority of

aromatherapy writers have investigated properly. As most of you know

by now, I am adamant that many of the properties that the authors and

teachers give oils are not correct. This is because in the majority

of cases they give exactly the same therapeutic uses for the

externally applied oil as the herbal preparation given internally.

 

I will just give a couple of examples of traditional versus modern

use.

 

JASMIN. The flowers have an ancient herbal use tradition as well as

for their beautiful perfume. Jasmin is one of those plants that has

had huge of amounts of research devoted to all aspects of its

horticulture, production and chemistry.

 

The chemistry varies dramatically between the growing flowers, the

picked flowers and the absolute. For example it has been found that

flowers picked at night contain over 4 times more indole than in

daytime picked flowers. Other chemicals only appear in the living or

picked flowers and are absent from the absolute or oil.

 

In herbal medicine in the past, and still in some societies, a vital

part of the training is to be educated as to when a herb is best

picked to give the desired therapeutic or poisonous result. This is

why a good deal of astrology was woven into herbal practice more in

the past than now. Herbalists then were more aware of the importance

for when herbs should be gathered of: time of day/night, the moon and

stars cycles; the weather; growing locations, etc. Theophrastus

recorded some of this ancient knowledge in his books. They knew that

effects observed in practical use varied, although they did not know

the actual chemistry.

 

So getting back to Jasmin. If the Indian herbalists picked the

flowers at dawn, at night, or in the day, then the *conditions

treated* may well differ. When these therapeutic treatments were

recorded and then translated into English it is quiet obvious that

important information such as gathering time was often omitted. We

commonly find the same missing information in Chinese medicine and

Native American medicine.

 

Not only do we get the difference between the traditional use as

herbal infusions, etc. compared to the use of the essential

oil/absolute externally, but we also get these huge differences in

chemistry depending on when the plant is picked.

 

It is from herbal books that most aromatherapy authors get much of

their information. A few (a very few) included information from the

old pharmacopoeias for the use of essential oils. These older uses

were generally for the internal consumption of the oils, with little

relevance to external application in routine aromatherapy.

 

In some cases the general actions of herbs versus oils do correlate

for a limited number of conditions. For example a drop of peppermint

oil will calm a minor stomach upset as also will a cup of peppermint

tea. However, the many other actions of the peppermint tea such as

an astringent action on the gut lining which helps calm diarrhoea can

not be expected from the essential oil. Therefore, when I see it

suggested that rubbing a bit of peppermint oil on the skin in massage

will cure diarrhoea, it tends to make me feel sick and Theophrastus

would turn in his grave!!

 

Martin Watt

http://www.aromamedical.com

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This is such a complex subject. Many people, especially Americans

are beginning to appreciate the importance of " whole " foods. We had

gotten so used to refined food products that we began to take the

notion that there was no problem with using only one part of the

plant instead of the whole. It actually became preferred. The impact

of refined wheat and sugar is obvious in the epidemic of diabetes in

society. It is now accepted that foods such as wheat and rice taste

better and are better for you when they contain all their parts, not

just the refined starch with all the bran removed.

 

Widespread availability of essential oils to the general public is

relatively new and the result of widespread adoption of refining and

distillation technology. It is unfortunate that we are so willing to

believe that the disgarding of the plant matter to get the pure oil

is the best thing to get the best of the plant. We unknowingly

disgard elements that may protect us from unpleasant side effects

because they are contained only in the whole plant. This approach

may work when you are after the aromatic part of the plant, but if

you want the medicinal impact, it doesn't necessarily make sense.

 

In many respects, it does appear that the easy access to essential

oils has done damage to herbal medicine. Essential oils

are " natural " in much the same way that white flower and white sugar

are " natural " . It is something to ponder.

Joanne

 

, " aromamedical2003 "

<aromamedical wrote:

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> This is at least 5 years old, but for newcomers it may contain

some

> useful information.

> -

> Someone questioned my statements that; " therapeutic actions from a

> herbal preparation are frequently unjustified when the same plants

> oil is used " .

>

> Martin Watt

> http://www.aromamedical.com

>

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Great post. Good information. I’d hate to see folks get paranoid about EOs

and I’d hate to see them become unavailable. A cigarette lighter can burn

your house down, but we don’t take them off the market. I do think, based

on what I read here and elsewhere, that some folks use EOs a little

recklessly, and sometimes I read things that worry me.

 

 

 

Dave

 

 

 

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This is such a complex subject. Many people, especially Americans

are beginning to appreciate the importance of " whole " foods. We had

gotten so used to refined food products that we began to take the

notion that there was no problem with using only one part of the

plant instead of the whole. It actually became preferred. The impact

of refined wheat and sugar is obvious in the epidemic of diabetes in

society. It is now accepted that foods such as wheat and rice taste

better and are better for you when they contain all their parts, not

just the refined starch with all the bran removed.

 

Widespread availability of essential oils to the general public is

relatively new and the result of widespread adoption of refining and

distillation technology. It is unfortunate that we are so willing to

believe that the disgarding of the plant matter to get the pure oil

is the best thing to get the best of the plant. We unknowingly

disgard elements that may protect us from unpleasant side effects

because they are contained only in the whole plant. This approach

may work when you are after the aromatic part of the plant, but if

you want the medicinal impact, it doesn't necessarily make sense.

 

In many respects, it does appear that the easy access to essential

oils has done damage to herbal medicine. Essential oils

are " natural " in much the same way that white flower and white sugar

are " natural " . It is something to ponder.

Joanne

 

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> This is at least 5 years old, but for newcomers it may contain

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> useful information.

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> Someone questioned my statements that; " therapeutic actions from a

> herbal preparation are frequently unjustified when the same plants

> oil is used " .

>

> Martin Watt

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Some extremely important information is coming from this thread.

Would like to just contribute a piece regarding harvesting herbs.

Many Herbalists are extremely aware that plants, even in one species,

vary with their medicinal values. Modern Herbalists, in spite of this,

still classify all the plants in one species as having all the same

various medicinal values, plant to plant.

But other cultures classified medicinal plants in a totally different way.

The Tocabago Indians in Florida - for instance - did not classify

medicinal herbs per species. They classified medicinal plants by

condition.

In other words, one oak tree was not the equal in medicinal value to

another oak tree. The selection of herbs to use was based on other

factors. A tree or herb that was being " attacked " by another species

was considered more medicinal than one that wasn't. A tree or plant or

herb that was gnarled and twisted and had to fight for survival was

considered more medicinal than a similar tree or plant that perhaps

grew tall and straight in the middle of a meadow.

What they looked at was the condition of the plant. THAT gave the

medicinal value.So one oak tree would be useless and one oak tree

would be valuable. Based soley on condition of the tree.

There are - indeed - MANY factors about using the plants of the earth

to heal that have been lost and are not understood or even researched

by modern science.

And what I have repeated here is - of course - my understanding of a

science that was lost with the Tocabao's. There was probably a LOT

more in diagnosing the madicinal value of a plant.

What Maritin has said about EO's is, to my mind, extremely important.

Modern Science tends to generalize. It does not like exceptions. For

instance, ALL oak trees are.....

This has blurred over to include all uses or aspects of the herb.

Herbalists have been caught up in the same scientific method of

thinking. The EO's, the teas, the poultices, the tincs,etc., have

become the same.

Neatly categorized into similar segments.And - in that categorized

generalization - edges are blurred and errors are made.

I, personally, appreciate the time taken by the experienced Essential

Oil users, in giving their views . It makes it easier for me to

evaluate and accept or reject data that I find in the books that I

read. Thank you....ALL.

Juat thought I would toss my " two-bits " worth in here

..........Herbally yours Penny

 

 

On 6/25/06, David Lambert <dlmbrt wrote:

> Great post. Good information. I'd hate to see folks get paranoid about EOs

> and I'd hate to see them become unavailable. A cigarette lighter can burn

> your house down, but we don't take them off the market. I do think, based

> on what I read here and elsewhere, that some folks use EOs a little

> recklessly, and sometimes I read things that worry me.

>

>

>

>

Penny Khaled

http://tinyurl.com/bfnyd

http://tinyurl/rulew

http://www.organicnutrition.co.uk

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, " shupy3 " <jwittenbrook

wrote:

>

> This is such a complex subject. Many people, especially Americans

> are beginning to appreciate the importance of " whole " foods. We

had

> gotten so used to refined food products that we began to take the

> notion that there was no problem with using only one part of the

> plant instead of the whole. It actually became preferred. The

impact

> of refined wheat and sugar is obvious in the epidemic of diabetes

in

> society. It is now accepted that foods such as wheat and rice

taste

> better and are better for you when they contain all their parts,

not

> just the refined starch with all the bran removed.

>

> Widespread availability of essential oils to the general public is

> relatively new and the result of widespread adoption of refining

and

> distillation technology. It is unfortunate that we are so willing

to

> believe that the disgarding of the plant matter to get the pure

oil

> is the best thing to get the best of the plant. We unknowingly

> disgard elements that may protect us from unpleasant side effects

> because they are contained only in the whole plant. This approach

> may work when you are after the aromatic part of the plant, but if

> you want the medicinal impact, it doesn't necessarily make sense.

>

> In many respects, it does appear that the easy access to essential

> oils has done damage to herbal medicine. Essential oils

> are " natural " in much the same way that white flower and white

sugar

> are " natural " . It is something to ponder.

> Joanne

 

Hi Joanne

 

I don't agree with this. The EO market is nothing compared to

herbal medicine. You can walk into any health food store and I'm

here in Southern California so we have Wild Oats, Mothers and there

are a number of smaller ones. Usually vitamins and herbal

supplements and treatments take up 1/3 of the entire store! In

these stores Essential Oils are located in the cosmetic

departments. You will find Tea Tree and some first aid oitments

with essential oils over with the herbal supplements, but that's

about it. I occasionally go to the Whole Life Expo here and there

just to see what's going on its predominantly vitamins, herbal

supplements and treatments. The reason Gary Young has managed to

suck in so many people with his EO business is because of MLM greed

and there is no competition for him. There are far more vitamin and

herbal supplements and medical herbal remedies in the MLM area.

Just last month someone was telling me about a new MLM tauting

zeolites that miraculously removes toxins from your body.

 

If you look at the financial statistics the Vitamin & Herbal

Supplement industry far out-profits the essential oil market. Most

people when you mention aromatherapy think about getting a spa

treatment. The reason all this nonsense popped up is because spas

and the beauty industry tell you all this b.s. about EO going into

your blood and removing toxins so that you will pay them $100 for

the treatment because if they just told you it smelled good you'll

NOT want to pay them $100 for it. And outside of a small percentage

of people, they know it's b.s. but it's like kind of a quiet denial

and it gives an excellent lie to the husband when he complains about

you spending $100 at the spa. You just say " well honey it's also

curing my cellulite and removing toxins from my blood " and most of

them aren't gonna say " hey show me some research on that " and if he

did he's probably an engineer/doctor/scientist and they're hard to

stay married to anyway. Yeah, that's a prejudice but I've known

enough of them to make that claim.

 

Trust me, the herbal industry is not suffering one bit. And

there's just as much b.s. claims in that area also. Our society

maintains itself on b.s. and the essential oil industry isn't about

to change one bit. If I get a cold, I still stand by a ginger,

garlic and lemon juice cocktail that I got out of a book on

herbalism.

 

Just my two cents.

 

Michele Madison Robles

Danaomi Scents

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Dear Michele,

I think we have to differentiate between the " Herbal Industry " which is ,

mainly, the selling of refined , bottled , and " standardized " Herbal

Extracts and the WHOLE HERB.

I think what Joanne may be indicating is that the whole plant, when dried

and used in teas and other products or fresh - taken straight from the plant

pot or garden - has far more proeprties thant he distilled product

i.eEssential Oils being one of them.

The plant MAY contain phytochemicals which, when extracted and concentrated,

are poisonous BUT, when the whole plant is used, are beneficial to the body.

The plant - itself -is a complicated chemical factory that we are totally

unable to duplicate.

Essential Oils are a concentrated form of the oils of the plant.

And, from what I understand, can come from only part of the plant.

Perhaps only the flower.

Any safegaurds that the plant may have to ensure that side effects do not

occur in our bodies from some of the phytochemicals are lost with this

concentration and neglect of other phytochemicals..

There are many schools of thought which suggest that we should be using more

of the whole plant and that the manufactured chemical that is similar to one

specific phytochemical in the plant and therefore called the plant name may

have detrimental side effects.

Essential Oils, taken internally, may fall in this category.

I do not think - in any way - that this is a debate or contest between

Essential Oil and Herbal products. They are one and the same actually.

Personally, I think the biggest problem in the Herbal Industry is the

massive amount of misinformation that is being poured on to the

Communication lines of the world by the BIG Chemical Industries who are

striving to maintain their drug hold on the population.

We - as Herbalists - need to do as much as we can to research ourselves and

inform the Public so that the general deteriorization of the Western World's

Health, caused by the increase of Nutrtitional Misinformation poured onto

the Media by the said Chemcial companies, does not continue.

......................Herbally yours Penny

 

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Penny - There is so much information & mis-information available on herbal usage

and essential oils. But I know herbs & essential oils can clearly be used for

different purposes. Essential oils are volatile components of plants, not just

herbs and can come from leaves, flowers, roots, bark, rind (i.e. citrus) and no

doubt other sources. I use essential oils in aromatherapy and to scent my soaps

and skin-care products. I have used powdered herbs to give texture and color to

my products. I do not recommend any herb or essential oil to be used

internally. I am not in the medical profession and thus would not practice any

" cures " . I don't know what you mean when you say " that the manufactured

chemical that is similar to one specific phytochemical in the plant and

therefore called the plant name may have detrimental side effects. " Can you

explain this more simply to me? Seems to me if the chemical make-up of a

particular herb and its essential oil are different in structure, they are not

the same. Perhaps some of you more learned list folks can clarify this. Some

of the commentary regarding this subject supposedly posted to inform, is leaving

me more muddled than ever.

 

Namaste, Lynette of Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA terralyn27

 

 

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I did not mean to imply that ther herb business was suffering

financially. The issue is that of having the hype resulting from the

marketing of essential oils contributing confusion to the

understanding of herbal medicine. When someone decides to pursue

information and tries to educate themselves on herbs and their

properties, running across books or websites that simply take the

traditional herbal remedies and tout the essential oil as containing

the same benefits makes it all the more difficult to develop a good

understanding of herbalism.

 

As a former Californian, I can testify to the fact that what is

available on the West Coast compared to other areas, especially less

urban areas of the midwest is dramatically different.

 

Essential oils are sold retail, with no warning as to potential

health hazard, and often by people who have little or no knowledge.

Martin's example of the bergamot case is a perfect case. The person

put the oil on her skin thinking it was a perfume. As you mentioned

essential oils located in the cosmetic area, it is an example of how

and why this happened.

 

In an area where there are few if any health food stores, Young

Living has a wide open market for dispensing their bad information.

There just isn't any competition or a source of competeing

information.

 

Any area of knowledge is harmed by disinformation, especially when

that disinformation leads to harm.

 

Joanne

 

, " Chaeya " <chaeya wrote:

> I don't agree with this. The EO market is nothing compared to

> herbal medicine. You can walk into any health food store and I'm

> here in Southern California so we have Wild Oats, Mothers and

there

> are a number of smaller ones. Usually vitamins and herbal

> supplements and treatments take up 1/3 of the entire store! In

> these stores Essential Oils are located in the cosmetic

> departments. You will find Tea Tree and some first aid oitments

> with essential oils over with the herbal supplements, but that's

> about it. I occasionally go to the Whole Life Expo here and there

> just to see what's going on its predominantly vitamins, herbal

> supplements and treatments. The reason Gary Young has managed to

> suck in so many people with his EO business is because of MLM

greed

> and there is no competition for him. >

> Trust me, the herbal industry is not suffering one bit. And

> there's just as much b.s. claims in that area also. Our society

> maintains itself on b.s. and the essential oil industry isn't

about

> to change one bit. If I get a cold, I still stand by a ginger,

> garlic and lemon juice cocktail that I got out of a book on

> herbalism.

>

> Just my two cents.

>

> Michele Madison Robles

> Danaomi Scents

>

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, Penny <pennyclear75 wrote:

>

> We - as Herbalists - need to do as much as we can to research

ourselves and

> inform the Public so that the general deteriorization of the Western

World's

 

There are lots of herbal books on the market. Do you have any

recommendations for reliable information?...Donna

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, Penny <pennyclear75 wrote:

>

> Dear Michele,

> I think we have to differentiate between the " Herbal Industry "

which is ,

> mainly, the selling of refined , bottled , and " standardized " Herbal

> Extracts and the WHOLE HERB.

> I think what Joanne may be indicating is that the whole plant, when

dried

> and used in teas and other products or fresh - taken straight from

the plant

> pot or garden - has far more proeprties thant he distilled product

> i.eEssential Oils being one of them.

 

Oh okay. Sorry, I'm in the midst of taking two summer classes and

have too much Psychology on the brain at the moment. I admit that I

may have misread the post. Thanks for clarifying.

 

Michele

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Hi Joanne,

 

Sorry I misunderstood your post. I feel then I have to agree with

you here. (Not necessarily trying to debate the subject). I have

said this in the past that people are exploring fields like

Herbalism and Aromatherapy without getting adequate knowledge on how

herbs and oils really work.

 

I have spoken about this in past posts about how essential oils are

too accessible and there are no warnings. Some stores keep them

behind a glass case. Most sales people in that department have

little or no knowledge of essential oils so they just tell you the

basic hype the company gives them. I have had more than once people

coming in and asking for an oil that does such and such and having

the sales people go over and grab an aromatherapy book from the book

section - whichever book they happen to land on first. Outside of

aromatherapy circles, the general public has access to very poor

information so they do not know that essential oils can be dangerous

or that they are tauted as a " treatment " for an ailment attributed

to a particular herb so there is much assuming that goes on. They

figure if the herb is supposed to " treat " a particular ailment, then

the oil must really work wonders! I talk to a lot of people that I

meet in health food stores and in new age stores where many herbs

and essential oils are sold and it's amazing that they are selling

these products and have just a hyped or no knowledge of essential

oils or herbs. I knew one Reiki practitioner that took Bergamot

Oil " neat " and rubbed it on her palms so her clients could smell

the " aroma " while she was doing her Reiki. When I told her that

this was a no-no and why she was stunned. I told her that if she

really wanted her clients to inhale Bergamot to use a an aroma

burner which was much safer. I don't know if she ever listened to

me or not.

 

I know I haven't finished Martin's course yet - still in the midst

of tons of college courses right now, but I've done tons of reading

on aromatherapy with Plant Aromatics and the Aromatherapy

Practitioner Manual and Chrissie Wildewood's books and I try to

spread the word as best I can because I've found a lot of dangerous

practicing of aromatherapy and misinformation. I was at one new age

shop and there's one company selling " essential oils " but these were

clearly fragrance oils, but I was on break from class so I didn't

have time to go talk to the owner who was with a customer. But

people will probably buy those oils thinking they are 100% essential

oils and may seek to do some " treatments " with them.

 

This field definitely needs to be regulated somehow.

 

Michele

 

, " shupy3 " <jwittenbrook

wrote:

>

> I did not mean to imply that ther herb business was suffering

> financially. The issue is that of having the hype resulting from

the

> marketing of essential oils contributing confusion to the

> understanding of herbal medicine. When someone decides to pursue

> information and tries to educate themselves on herbs and their

> properties, running across books or websites that simply take the

> traditional herbal remedies and tout the essential oil as

containing

> the same benefits makes it all the more difficult to develop a

good

> understanding of herbalism.

>

> As a former Californian, I can testify to the fact that what is

> available on the West Coast compared to other areas, especially

less

> urban areas of the midwest is dramatically different.

>

> Essential oils are sold retail, with no warning as to potential

> health hazard, and often by people who have little or no

knowledge.

> Martin's example of the bergamot case is a perfect case. The

person

> put the oil on her skin thinking it was a perfume. As you

mentioned

> essential oils located in the cosmetic area, it is an example of

how

> and why this happened.

>

> In an area where there are few if any health food stores, Young

> Living has a wide open market for dispensing their bad

information.

> There just isn't any competition or a source of competeing

> information.

>

> Any area of knowledge is harmed by disinformation, especially when

> that disinformation leads to harm.

>

> Joanne

>

> , " Chaeya " <chaeya@> wrote:

> > I don't agree with this. The EO market is nothing compared to

> > herbal medicine. You can walk into any health food store and

I'm

> > here in Southern California so we have Wild Oats, Mothers and

> there

> > are a number of smaller ones. Usually vitamins and herbal

> > supplements and treatments take up 1/3 of the entire store! In

> > these stores Essential Oils are located in the cosmetic

> > departments. You will find Tea Tree and some first aid oitments

> > with essential oils over with the herbal supplements, but that's

> > about it. I occasionally go to the Whole Life Expo here and

there

> > just to see what's going on its predominantly vitamins, herbal

> > supplements and treatments. The reason Gary Young has managed

to

> > suck in so many people with his EO business is because of MLM

> greed

> > and there is no competition for him. >

> > Trust me, the herbal industry is not suffering one bit. And

> > there's just as much b.s. claims in that area also. Our society

> > maintains itself on b.s. and the essential oil industry isn't

> about

> > to change one bit. If I get a cold, I still stand by a ginger,

> > garlic and lemon juice cocktail that I got out of a book on

> > herbalism.

> >

> > Just my two cents.

> >

> > Michele Madison Robles

> > Danaomi Scents

> >

>

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