Absorption III ** Was: EO Info and Disinfo and Myths

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> Those folks who have the

> determination (stubbornness?) of a Pit Bull and insist on sticking to

> their beliefs while totally disregarding information to the contrary ..

> are .. in fact .. not using their brains. ;-)

 

[Dave:] I'm a bright fellow, but I'm not a scientist. Everyone knows the

skin is absorbent. " Patch " meds operate on this principle. What I don't

know - and I'm not sure anyone else does either - is which components of a

substance, and how much, get absorbed. If they go beyond the outermost

layers, capillaries will transfer substances to the circulatory system and

from there throughout the body. What's the quantity of stuff that gets

absorbed that way? I'm sure it's infinitesimal. Is there any chance that

someone somewhere could react adversely? I'm sure there is. That pretty

much sums up where I stand on absorption.

 

You're absolutely right that I don't have scientific data to back my

conclusions, and I'm willing to learn. But there seems to be a position on

the part of some folks that the skin doesn't absorb. That's the part I'm

saying is a no-brainer. If folks don't wish to use their God-givens, I

guess they're entitled.

 

> Anyone who handles CHEMICALS of any kind needs to be aware .. and anyone

> who drives a car or uses a kitchen knife or dozens of other potentially

> harmful products must be aware .. but all this awareness is for very

> different reasons.

 

[Dave:] True, true and true. Every move we make is a calculated risk.

 

> David .. good it is that you are careful in making your soaps .. but I

> am sure you do not own a copy of Plant Aromatics so you are .. IF you

> truly believe that MOST EO can be harmful in wash off products ..

> playing a game of Russian Roulette. Matter of fact is .. that SOME can

> be harmful in wash off products.

 

[Dave:] You're right, and if I ever actually make any money, I'll look for a

copy of that book. I agree that there's a small risk of using ANY quantity

of EOs, but I have a lot of experience and the experience of others, to

guide me. What bothers me is the school that advises using EOs neat or even

internally. These things MAY be safe, but to me that's counterintuitive.

I'm just a dumb hick, so I won't be the one solving the dilemma.

 

> As for the possibility of the least bit of transfer to internal organs,

> one would have to lounge for a LONG period of time ... even then the

> odds are 99.999% that the introduction would be via the olfactory route.

 

[Dave:] I expect you're absolutely correct. In the worst case, the AMOUNT

of stuff transferred would have to be microscopic, infinitesimal, no more

than a few molecules. The question is whether the amount is small enough to

be totally ignored.

 

> I'm not willing to do the math on the above because your soaps are not

> mine .. but if you don't have some credible scientific reference for the

> percentages you are using .. you are shooting in the dark .. or maybe

> going on your beliefs based on past luck.

 

[Dave:] Point well taken. Actually there's a typo there. I doubled the

amount of patchouli I add to soaps, that should have been a 2-lb batch and

not per pound. But either way, you're right about the lack of science.

Thing is, there's a lot of experience involved, not just mine but plenty of

others, too. So maybe shooting in twilight, not total darkness. Making

soap is half art and half science. I guess I rely on the art part to make

up for my lack of education. That's why I'm cautious.

 

 

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Yo Dave,

 

> Hey Butch,

>

>>I read what you are writing .. but I don't understand it. And this is

>>not a personal slam .. but I think you are just being stubborn. ;-)

>

> No offense taken.

 

Good it is .. none meant.

 

> Obviously you know a lot more about this than I do, and I should shut

> up and learn.

 

No need to shut up .. asking questions and even questioning answers is a

good thing .. it helps to facilitate a learning environment. There is

much knowledge to be gained on this list and a lot of it is not in just

precisely what is presented .. its more in the area of who has done a

lot of research and then drawn conclusions based on that research ..

even though they're not always able or willing to present it all. In

isolation, I could present many tests showing the minute percentages of

various chemicals that have been able to absorb to a degree that they

could be traced .. but in all the cases but a few (Methyl salicylate

being one of the exceptions) those percentages are mighty, mighty small

and have no significant impact. However, if one were to use a larger

amount over a larger area over a longer period of time .. this could

result in chronic toxicity .. or birth defects .. or a number of other

bad things.

 

But .. these tests are not really pertinent to Aromatherapy or Massage

or Soaping .. the variables, conditions of testing and reasons for the

testing of isolated chemical constituents just aren't applicable to the

manner in which we use essential oils. They might be applicable to the

way some Young Living folks use them .. neat and over large areas and

frequently.

 

> Sometimes I shoot from the hip and state things imprecisely in favor

> of a zinger as in " everyone knows... " You catch me every time.

 

I've gotta lotta experience in that area .. cause I used to do the same

thing when I started out on the old battleground list .. IDMA .. which

(thank the Great Spirit) is dead now. And when I did .. folks would

catch me every time. ;-)

 

>>I'm a retired military feller, and served for a while as a diplomat,

>>and trained and operated in anti terrorism and law enforcement and

>>intelligence gathering ..

>

> I’m a vet, but I’m more of an ole hippy than anything else. Funny we

> should wind up having this in common, having walked such different paths.

 

I got here by accident .. its a long story but it was somewhat like the

feller who started a gold mine in California when he found some gold

dust in the roots of an onion he dug up for lunch. Ceptin' he earned

more in a day than I'll ever earn in this business. ;-)

 

> That's alright, brother, I appreciate ya.

 

Thankee sir .. the feeling is mutual and your appreciation is

appreciated fer'shur. :-)

 

> Dave

 

Y'all have a good one .. and keep smiling. :-)

 

Butch http://www.AV-AT.com

 

PS: Lots of folks have orders pending .. I haven't confirmed them yet -

but they'll be confirmed while you are still sleeping in the morning ..

and long afore my folks in Maryland get to work. ;-)