Guest guest Posted June 28, 2006 Report Share Posted June 28, 2006 Hi all, I've been thinking of new soap scents and was thinking about making an amber soap. With all the discussion on sensitization I thought I'd ask here what folks think about amber that is made using styrax tree resin. I have an amber scent recipe that calls for labdanum, benzoin and vanilla as well, but hestiate to make it/use it. What could be a substitute for the benzoin if I shouldn't consider using it on the skin? Thanks for any tidbits you all might have to share. Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Don't know about the amber in soap(sensitization) question you asked. About what to use instead of benzoin...think mayber of the earthy scent of patchouli. To me benzoin has an earthy smell. As well as a medicinal smell, but that is only my perception, as I will tell my age by saying my mother used a form of benzion in a humidifier when I was a child. So that is more of a memory sensory smell to me. Anita On Behalf Of Margaret Helm-Duell Wednesday, June 28, 2006 5:37 PM Amber/Benzoin Hi all, I've been thinking of new soap scents and was thinking about making an amber soap. With all the discussion on sensitization I thought I'd ask here what folks think about amber that is made using styrax tree resin. I have an amber scent recipe that calls for labdanum, benzoin and vanilla as well, but hestiate to make it/use it. What could be a substitute for the benzoin if I shouldn't consider using it on the skin? Thanks for any tidbits you all might have to share. Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2006 Report Share Posted June 29, 2006 Hi Margaret, I don't think you're going to be able to make an amber blend that has that classic " amber smell " without Styrax. It (Styrax) is used in some commercial products that contact (and stay on) the skin. There are very specific safety guidelines available from the IFRA on this substance, including what varieties and forms to use as well as in what amounts. Whether you choose to use in in your scent blend for personal care products that will come in contact with the skin is your call, but if you do, be sure that you're using the proper form and carefully following the safety guidelines. Its a good idea to do that for all of your ingredients. Here is what the IFRA guidelines are on using Styrax: http://www.ifraorg.org/GuideLines.asp ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Styrax Last Amendment July 01, 1994 First Issued November 01, 1977 CAS # Recommendation Skin Contact Non-Skin Contact - Restricted 0.6% (extracts, distil) No limitations for extracts, dis Crude gums of American and Asian styrax should not be used as fragrance ingredient. Only extracts or distillates (resinoids, absolutes and oils), prepared from exudations of Liquidambar styraciflua L. var. macrophylla or Liquidambar orientalis Mill., can be used and should not exceed a level of 0.6% in consumer products. This is equivalent to 3% in a fragrance compound used at 20% in the consumer product. This recommendation is made in order to promote good manufacturing practice (GMP) for the use of styrax derivatives as fragrance ingredients. It is based on a wide variety of RIFM test data with gums, resinoids, absolutes and oils of American and Asian styrax (private communication to IFRA). ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Smile* Chris (list mom) http://www.alittleolfactory.com Margaret Helm-Duell Hi all, I've been thinking of new soap scents and was thinking about making an amber soap. With all the discussion on sensitization I thought I'd ask here what folks think about amber that is made using styrax tree resin. I have an amber scent recipe that calls for labdanum, benzoin and vanilla as well, but hestiate to make it/use it. What could be a substitute for the benzoin if I shouldn't consider using it on the skin? Thanks for any tidbits you all might have to share. Margaret Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 1, 2006 Report Share Posted July 1, 2006 Sorry I missed this thread. It might be worth giving Elemi oil a try. This has a wonderful rich smooth pine-like fragrance and may substitute for amber oil. Only problem with this oil is it resinifies quiet quickly and then can become explosive. Therefore two things are important; 1. That the supplier you get it from has fresh stock. 2. Use an antioxidant and then it will not decay. Martin -- In , " Margaret Helm-Duell " <naturalindulgences wrote: > > > Hi all, > > I've been thinking of new soap scents and was thinking about making an amber > soap. With all the discussion on sensitization I thought I'd ask here what > folks think about amber that is made using styrax tree resin. I have an > amber scent recipe that calls for labdanum, benzoin and vanilla as well, but > hestiate to make it/use it. What could be a substitute for the benzoin if I > shouldn't consider using it on the skin? > > Thanks for any tidbits you all might have to share. > > Margaret > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2006 Report Share Posted July 8, 2006 Just wanted to say thanks to all who replied to me about the Benzoin and Amber stuff. I think I'll order some of the Elemi and check it out. Never smelled that one before. Margaret > >Sorry I missed this thread. >It might be worth giving Elemi oil a try. This has a wonderful rich >smooth pine-like fragrance and may substitute for amber oil. Only >problem with this oil is it resinifies quiet quickly and then can >become explosive. Therefore two things are important; >1. That the supplier you get it from has fresh stock. >2. Use an antioxidant and then it will not decay. > >Martin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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