OT: Taxes vs Immigration

[Guest guest]

Hi CM,

 

> Butch,

> Gastworkers and refugees from other countries do get full medical

> and benefits in Germany, but that also has drained the country terribly

> huge reforms are taking place. for all people not just gastworkers.

 

Yes .. the " Gasterbeiter " work program in Germany has always done that.

But that program was one that begged for foreign workers .. just as do

those in many of the Arabic countries.

 

And true it is that reforms are coming about throughout Europe now .. in

Germany, an East German (Angela Merkel) whipped Gerhard Schröder in

early elections by promising what the German people were demanding ..

reform.

 

In Sweden, a right of center reform party has just won and they

say they will work to transform Sweden from a welfare state to a state

with work opportunities. .. the same thing happened in Holland during

the last elections.

 

I read that many British folks are upset because one of the most angry

anti-British rebel rousers in London lives on welfare .. they are now

questioning why they are paying for him to poison young minds.

 

Rural French folks are different from Parisians .. we are beginning to

see a move to the right in France .. some of this is due to nationalism

which is a result of slaps in the face by Islamic extremists. But this

move to the right will (I believe) spread over Europe for a time and

then we will see something that Sociologists & Political Scientists have

long known, its not just life that is a Big Circle .. but also Political

and Social systems. They continue to revolve. This has been and will

be seen again in the USA .. probably a few days from now .. in November.

 

The Europeans have learned (the hard way) that a chicken in every

pot and a car (or donkey) in every garage is not as easy to ensure as

they wish it were .. someone must pay the cost .. so they are forced to

rethink their system. I hope that the USA is as smart when dealing with

the Social Security problems that lie ahead.

 

> Germany is a huge welfare State, also because East Germany has an

> unforeseen large amount of people that are unemployed. The wall coming

> down had it's good sides but also bad sides. Because of the poor

> economy in the East, the Nazi Party (in a different form, but never

> less) has reared it's ugly head there now big time.

 

Yep .. Europe feared a United Germany until they realized that East

Germany was not a debit for West Germany .. it was a liability.

 

> What to do, what to do...

> When it comes to immigration, I do strongly feel that every one needs to

> learn the language of the country one wants to immigrate, too. I had to.

 

Agree .. and apparently, so does the PM of Australia .. I salute him.

 

> When it comes to Mexican immigrants, there is just one twist people here

> don't seem to think about.

> America is their ancestral country, too..but Spanish is not their

> ancestral language.

 

There is nobody alive in Mexico who can say that the USA is their

ancestral country .. just as there are no British citizens living in

England who can say the same. This is not true for the American Indians.

 

True (to a point) it is that Spanish is not the ancestral language of

the Mexican today .. if one is to say it is then they deny history since

they were overcome in a war and their native Indian languages were

substituted or mixed with Spanish. They should apply that same scenario

to what happened to their Indian ancestors who lived in what is now the USA.

 

> To me the solution is strengthen the borders for many reasons, but allow

> organized work parties, where medical costs, etc are underwritten by the

> people who employ them.

 

Seems like a logical solution.

 

> What I am totally against is having families torn apart, after people have

> lived here for years and years and than being deported after paying taxes

> and being good citizens.

 

Yep .. its not a good scene.

 

One thing I will mention on this subject .. Alexander was born on 6

March 2006 .. in Turkey .. his parents (Tanya and I) are guests staying

here based on paying approximately $400 every two years for a Residence

Permit. If we did not have this permit we would have to have a Tourist

Visa which allows us to stay here 90 days.

 

Alexander did not ENTER Turkey from OUTSIDE Turkey .. he was born here.

When we left Turkey to go to the USA .. on 5 July 2006 .. Turkish INS

charged us a penalty of $170 + .. based on the date of birth stated on

his passport .. they counted up the days he had been INSIDE Turkey ..

and charged a daily fine. When we returned to Turkey after the trip we

bought a Tourist Visa for him .. we plan to go to Russia within 90 days

of reentering Turkey. And when we return from Russia .. we will

purchase another Tourist Visa because we will leave here (for good)

within 90 days of returning.

 

Some countries take breaking and entering without permission more

serious than do others .. and some countries are ridiculous when they

look at the issue. ;-)

 

> C-M

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com