Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 , " Graham Sorenson " <lunaaromatics wrote: > > Emu oil may be good. but David Roman showed that there is absolutely no need to kill and melt down the fat from Emu birds to have good oils for the skin. > > Many plant oils have the properties that emu oils has and better. > > I think David Roman published that info on AromaticSage.com > ---------------- Emu's aren't killed for their oil. They are killed for their meat, much like cattle. Emu oil is a by-product. Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 ---------------- Emu's aren't killed for their oil. They are killed for their meat, much like cattle. Emu oil is a by-product. Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 , " shupy3 " <jwittenbrook wrote: > > Emu's aren't killed for their oil. They are killed for their meat, > much like cattle. Emu oil is a by-product. > Joanne > This is true, but with the increasing demand, due to almost " miraculous " properties of their oil, that could change quickly. I suspect that these claims were possibly made to create a market for the oil in the first place. I received a sample of Emu oil once with an order of other products. Hesitant to work with it, since I prefer non animal derived products, I tested it for various claims made. Afterall, it would be wonderful to have such a miracle oil, especially since it's a " by- product " Maybe it's just me, but I have not found it to be too extraordinary. It absorbs nicely, doesn't seem to go rancid quickly, but other then that.....sorry. Personal preference I guess, and if someone eats meat, has no objection to animal products use and business, it is a nice option for dry skin. Susanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 every part of the bird is used, the skin is made into leather, fat is rendered into oil, feathers are sold, egg shells are also sold, and there is very little left after that. Emu meat is some of the healthiest meat you can eat. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away ------------- Emu's aren't killed for their oil. They are killed for their meat, much like cattle. Emu oil is a by-product. Joanne . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 ---- paula coon 10/19/2006 5:11:17 PM Re: Re: massage oil/now emu Every part of the bird is used, the skin is made into leather, fat is rendered into oil, feathers are sold, egg shells are also sold, and there is very little left after that. Emu meat is some of the healthiest meat you can eat. I don't know why my post didn't come across with anything on it, but I said that too (It was probably my fault sometimes I type where doesn't pick it up.) Anyway. Egg shells is one of the places they get calcium for calcium supplements. My uncle had an Emu farm and had I known I would have been able to help, because where they are from is a really itty bitty town and not much demand for Emu meat. (red necks(I say this cuz I'm from a long line of them.) have a tendency to think huh? when they hear EMU) I use it specifically for my psoriasis.. works like a charm.. haven't found any other oil that works alone on it. Yet. The only thing I haven't seen a call for is the bones, but hey there are people out there that use bones for something..._._,_.___ . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 19, 2006 Report Share Posted October 19, 2006 Ø …there is absolutely no need to kill and melt down the fat from Emu birds to have good oils for the skin. > > Many plant oils have the properties that emu oils has and better. [Dave:] As a soapmaker, I’d be interested in knowing more about these plant oils. I make mostly vegan soaps, but for certain applications I find emu oil remarkable. In my work, I sometimes get dry, chapped and cracked hands. I’ve never found a quicker remedy than a few drops of emu oil. Someone else mentioned that she didn’t find emu oil especially great (sorry, I didn’t keep that post). I wonder what she used it for? I find that in shampoos and in soaps for certain skin conditions, emu oil adds real benefits. I also use it in my tattoo balm. -- Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.7/488 - Release 10/19/2006 -- Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.7/488 - Release 10/19/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Fact is - there are meat eaters and vegetarians and vegans - just as there are Christians, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, etc. Whatever my choices are, I would not think to make you feel badly, if your choices were different. Namaste, Lynette of Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit Reading Terminal Market Philadelphia, PA terralyn27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 You're right they will still be killed for meat and for leather so may as well use the oil. Why waste any part of the bird ? My DH does deer processing and I tell him to grind the fat and have it for me so I can render tallow. The deer won't be any less dead if I don't. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away But they are still killed and you slather dead emu all over yourself. There are better alternatives which don't involve dead animals/bird was my point. Graham Sorenson . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I'm sorry if people don't seem to be getting my point. I'm not against animals for food. I am an omnivore, I just am totally grossed out by the idea of slathering dead animal on my body especially when there are plant alternatives that are more effective. Graham Sorenson http://Luna-Aromatics.com Come and stick your nose in our business The Home of " Arizona Balm " the Natural Solution to Problem Dry Skin. Hand Made Soaps, Soy Wax Candles, Lip Balms and more Good Stuff Retail and Wholesale. http://TheGuideToAromatherapy.com You're right they will still be killed for meat and for leather so may as well use the oil. Why waste any part of the bird ? My DH does deer processing and I tell him to grind the fat and have it for me so I can render tallow. The deer won't be any less dead if I don't. Paula .......... in Michigan I used to have super powers but my therapist took them away But they are still killed and you slather dead emu all over yourself. There are better alternatives which don't involve dead animals/bird was my point. Graham Sorenson . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 ---- Graham Sorenson 10/20/2006 11:17:33 AM Re: Re: massage oil/now emu I'm sorry if people don't seem to be getting my point. I'm not against animals for food. I am an omnivore, I just am totally grossed out by the idea of slathering dead animal on my body especially when there are plant alternatives that are more effective. Graham Sorenson (Graham I'm usually pretty clueless when it comes to people being grossed out by much cause I grew up on a farm and I've seen Bulls made into steers, and polled, that would make most people go vegetarian.) and wow I thought I was the only one that was that specific with my gross outs. ..Oh! That's what you have the problem with... Did you know you could be inhaling dead skin cells from animals, people, and that E.coli exists in the air? If half of the people in the US thought about where their what ever comes from we'd be doing a lot less consuming over all... I figure there' lots worse we could be slathering ourselves with... But now I understand your point. There's a lot of people if they actually thought about it would probably really grossed out.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 I just am totally grossed out by the idea of slathering dead animal on my body especially when there are plant alternatives that are more effective. [Dave:] Plenty of people feel that way, which is why I make mostly vegan soaps and skin-care items. However, I’ve found emu oil to be extremely useful for problem skin. So my question is, which plant alternatives do you feel are more effective and in what ways are they more effective? By the way, if any products that you use contain collagen, tallow, neetsfoot oil, lanolin, or any of a dozen other animal-based products, you’re slathering dead animal. Like you, I’m an omnivore, and personally I don’t have a problem with eating or slathering emu. But I do try to be sensitive to how the users of my products feel. If I’m asked to make up a soap or salve for someone with psoriasis or a new tattoo, the first thing I’ll ask is whether the person has any objection to animal ingredients. If they do, then I agree with you that there are vegetable oils that also have beneficial properties. The thing is, they are exotic and expensive. So it’s a balancing act. -- Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.7/488 - Release 10/19/2006 -- Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.7/488 - Release 10/19/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Graham Sorenson http://Luna-Aromatics.com Come and stick your nose in our business The Home of " Arizona Balm " the Natural Solution to Problem Dry Skin. Hand Made Soaps, Soy Wax Candles, Lip Balms and more Good Stuff Retail and Wholesale. http://TheGuideToAromatherapy.com .Oh! That's what you have the problem with... Did you know you could be inhaling dead skin cells from animals, people, and that E.coli exists in the air? If half of the people in the US thought about where their what ever comes from we'd be doing a lot less consuming over all... I figure there' lots worse we could be slathering ourselves with... But now I understand your point. There's a lot of people if they actually thought about it would probably really grossed out.... Normally I have no problem about what I have no choice about. But deliberately taking melted down animal and rubbing it over yourself is out of that league. IMNSHO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 >You're right they will still be killed for meat and for leather so may as well use >the oil. Why waste any part of the bird ? My DH does deer processing and I >tell him to grind the fat and have it for me so I can render tallow. The deer >won't be any less dead if I don't. I know of a natural cosmetics company that raises its own emus to use in products. In their case, the meat would be a byproduct. They told me that they looked into liposuction but realized it wasn't feasible (seriously!).I don't perceive animals as a commodity or an ingredient. Every claim that is made for emu oil can be matched with an herb or essential oil. If there is no need for it, then why? Jessica Burman www.cocoonapothecary.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 21, 2006 Report Share Posted October 21, 2006 >You're right they will still be killed for meat and for leather so may as well use >the oil. Why waste any part of the bird ? My DH does deer processing and I >tell him to grind the fat and have it for me so I can render tallow. The deer >won't be any less dead if I don't. I know of a natural cosmetics company that raises its own emus to use in products. In their case, the meat would be a byproduct. They told me that they looked into liposuction but realized it wasn't feasible (seriously!).I don't perceive animals as a commodity or an ingredient. Every claim that is made for emu oil can be matched with an herb or essential oil. If there is no need for it, then why? Jessica Burman www.cocoonapothecary.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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