OT: Judiciary Discretion ** 20/20 segment

[Guest guest]

now see I found the opposite true in my case,

 

a man's wife discovered he had cheated by opening a piece of mail that had

a paternity test and a law suit for child support inside. She left the

husband and he was ordered to pay child support for this child. They had

been married 17 years, and had a 15 year old daughter, they decided to go to

counseling and tried tomake the marriage work, but she just couldn't get

over the affair so filed for divorce. Well, since this guy had to pay 800 a

month for the illegitimate child, he couldn't afford to pay child support

for HIS child plus alimony for the wife~ (she had been a stay at home mom

for 15 years) the supposed jury felt like she could go out and get a job

and support her self and the child. While he (who was about to retire in 2

years) couldn't work 2 jobs to pay for his infidelity, er excuse me child

????? We did manage to give the wife 60% of the homes equity and he got 40

but still, she now has to go out and work 20-30 years (at 40) to earn

retirement. BTW, he got all the retirement money for her getting 60 % of the

homes equity. I also found most of the men inthe room felt like " hey, f-it

let's give one to the guy this time " I felt like they were rewarding him

for his actions. 2 of them were divorced and felt like they got screwed so

wanted to put the screws to this woman. I found the whole jury thing a bust

~ I was very disappointed and aggravated. The judge basically took their

side as well, why should he work 2 jobs when he's about to retire he asked

when we ( a couple of women) had questions about him not having enough

income to pay child support and alimony. I don't think I will ever get over

that. I felt like it was an injustice and I was helpless. Again, back to

the 4 DUI thing, kid under 21 has 4 DUI's, you think he does any time. The

court system is corrupt~ his attorney contributes to the judges campaign

fund so he walks~Maybe it's just here, but it sure doesn't seem that way~

sindy

end of my rant~!

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Judiciary Discretion ** 20/20 segment

 

 

> Couldn't agree more. I get very upset when I see the public screaming

>> because they consider someone has been given a " light "

>> sentence. But in most cases the public doesn't have access to all the

>> facts and the judiciary make their decision based on facts, and the

>> relevant laws.

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> Once you have served on a jury, you have a much clearer idea of how it

> works.

[Guest guest]

Hey Dave, Virginia .. Joanne .. other good folks ..

 

I sent a post to the list, on this subject, 4 hours and 12 minutes ago.

It hasn't shown up yet and hasn't bounced .. perhaps this one will make

it to the list in seconds .. that happens often.

 

>>Under those circumstances, the quality of the jurers is

>>a crapshoot.

>

> [Dave:] You bet it is. I don’t think human justice will

> ever be perfect,

 

We can certainly agree on that. ;-)

 

> but we are capable of bringing it a lot closer than it is now.

 

Recommendations?

 

> Has anyone seen the movie " Runaway Jury " with Gene Hackman? I

> have no idea how endemic jury-tampering is, as presented in this

> film, but it does give real insights into the jury-selection process.

 

I don't find much reality in Hollywood films .. but if jury tampering is

commonplace then it is the fault of the jurors .. like .. the citizens.

 

> A big part of the problem with " justice " is that it’s only a secondary

> consideration for each side. Their first concern is winning. It’s a

> contest, one where ruthless attorneys are willing to play dirty in order

> to win. And the poor defendant, and society, may or may not benefit from

> the process; too few officials care about that.

 

Winning counts for both defense attorneys and prosecutors .. and it is

true that this is the primary concern. As for the poor defendant ..

there are far more crooks getting off the hook than there are folks who

might have valid mitigating or extenuating circumstances that might get

them off .. who are convicted. As for the officials who don't care ..

I'm not sure who you are referring to there but if your previous claims

that the entire judicial system is in a " mess " is true .. then I guess

its all of them .. top to bottom.

 

Its always easier to be a critic that it is to present workable ..

realistic recommendations for solutions to real or perceived problems.

 

Ideally, we can probably all agree that there should be a bird-flu free

chicken in every pot, a car that doesn't use fossil fuels in every

garage, that all the dictators and tyrants of the world would see the

light and start taking care of their citizens, that disease and war and

pestilence would become just a small chapter in future history books,

that all governments would find a way to cure all ills and mankind would

live in good health, prosperity and happiness for at least 100 years.

 

Then after a generation or two .. we'll hope they find a way to convert

rocks and sand into nutritious food because mankind will have used up

all the fruits of the earth and the sea .. trees and fish will be in the

history books alongside disease and pestilence and war .. and kids will

by that time maybe have become used to their parents having to enter a

lottery each year to determine who will be sacrificed for the good of

mankind and used to add some protein to the rock and sand foods we will

be consuming .. sorta like the futuristic movie " Soylent Green. " ;-)

 

Today .. the above seems ridiculous .. but if the Earth and Mankind last

long enough .. odds are some of the above will become commonplace.

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com