Citrus EO in cp or cphp soap-Question

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I have bought several natural soaps made with various essential oils

that have a great, strong smell to them. Is it possible some brands

of natural soap are made with synthetic fragrances as well or is there

simply way too much essential oils in these soaps for the fragrance to

be so strong? Should I worry? Susan

 

 

 

, " David Lambert " <dlmbrt wrote:

>

> I have had a request for 3 batches of all natural soap. One made

with Lemon

> EO, one made with Lime EO and the last made with Orange EO. Now i

have been

> told that citrus eo will not come through the soaping process and

have any

> scent.

> How can i do this so that it holds scent and still is natrual " ?

>

> [Dave:] You might try adding beeswax and/or oatmeal to the soap.

Powder the

> oats and add the EO the night before you plan to make your soap. Add

> beeswax at about ½ to 1 oz PPO. I lean strongly to the lower

figure. It is

> true that citrus oils do not keep their scent well in soap, and the

same is

> true of many other oils, too. Perfume in soap is an added feature

that has

> nothing to do with how well it cleans, although some oils have

therapeutic

> properties that makes them useful for attributes apart from their smell.

> Adding enough EO to create a permanent scent runs the risk of

causing skin

> irritation and even permanent sensitization. If your client insists on

> having these scents in the soap, your only real solution is to use

synthetic

> FOs.

>

> When I started making and selling soaps, everyone told me that scent

is what

> sells soap. I had already taken the position that my soaps would be

> all-natural and formulated to benefit the skin. I use EOs

sparingly, and

> have often had to explain why my soaps are not strongly scented, but

no one

> that has tried them has ever rejected them on the basis of smell. Some

> oils, like lavender, lemon grass, tea tree and others, are stable in

soap

> and even have beneficial properties on their own. The notion that

soaps are

> supposed to be perfumed is something that has been established by

decades of

> clever marketing. However, the companies that use these scents all use

> artificial chemicals, not natural oils for this purpose.

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[Guest guest]

I have bought several natural soaps made with various essential oils

that have a great, strong smell to them. Is it possible some brands

of natural soap are made with synthetic fragrances as well or is there

simply way too much essential oils in these soaps for the fragrance to

be so strong? Should I worry? Susan

 

[Dave:] Worry? No, not necessarily. Some EOs are very fragrant and stable

in soap. Examples are lavender, tea tree, patchouli, lemon grass, the

mints, ylang-ylang and eucalyptus. Many others are more volatile and

fleeting. I do make a “Lavender & Cream” soap that contains a full teaspoon

of lavender oil per pound of oils. That’s at the upper end for any EO, and

in general I use them MUCH more sparingly than that (some of them I measure

in drops). This particular soap is made with lavender EO and powdered

blossoms, and the solids and fats separated from organic heavy cream. I use

a fairly cheap lavender EO that is a blend of lavender species and has an

herby, almost grassy scent instead of some of the sweeter, more girley

lavenders. It smells strong, and people do love it - men as well as women.

I also use rosemary oil quite a bit, which can give some of my soaps a

medicine smell. A little spearmint or a dash of lemongrass can sweeten this

up. For an exotic, sensual scent, try a mix of ylang-ylang and clary sage,

with perhaps a few drops of patchouli to anchor it. Most EOs will tend to

fade after 6-12 months, some of them much, much faster.

 

Some EOs, like Rose Otto, are longlasting, heavenly, and precious. Mucho

dinero, and worth it.

 

It’s possible that whoever made your soaps did use way too much essential

oil in the soap. It’s not an uncommon mistake. Soapers who do this are

mostly seeking scent because they believe they can’t make soap that will

attract people without it. But they want to be able to say that their soap

is “natural.” They don’t understand that EOs are very powerful botanical

agents that can do as much harm as good when they are not used properly. On

the other hand, it’s also possible that the soaper used synthetic fragrance

oils with other, natural ingredients, and call the product natural. These

folks reason that the soap itself IS natural: vegetable oils, herbs and so

forth – and the fragrance is simply added for effect. I don’t worry much

about the scents of my soaps, or rather, I try to make what scent there is

as pleasant as I can. I can always tell the difference between natural and

synthetic scents. Sometimes I think of a bumper sticker I once saw: Nice

Perfume. How Long Did You Marinate?

 

Bottom line is, even if the soaps you bought had FOs in them, they are

probably far superior to the supermarket soap you may have been using

before. Sure, EOs are better. This is a subject that people spend years

learning about and there are folks on this list like Butch and Martin and

many others who know much, much more than I do. But I think that you can

learn the basics of working with EOs right here on this list.

 

Educating your nose goes along with gathering knowledge. I’m lucky. I work

at a natural food store, and we carry a couple of good lines of EOs.

Testers, half-size bottles with a dipstick, are changed out several times a

year, and I’ve been able to take home the old ones several times. Most are

at least half full, and I have a “library” of over 100 scents to play with.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Your post was really interesting to me - as I have NEVER been able to

get my soaps to retain any EO fragrance - I've done CP and HP

(waiting till its lukewarm) - I've tried powedering oatmeal and

soaking 3 tblsps in about 1/4 powder oatmeal - I've tried waiting to

add it individually to the soap molds and swirling it in...I've used

the Bulgarian Lavender, Lavender from France, and Spike Lav - all to

evaporate immediately. My last batch was 3lbs of coconut oil, olive

oil, shea butter and coconut milk instead of water - the soap turned

out WONDERFUL..but alas...no smell :-) ... I've searched the internet

and asked a bunch of ?'s on other soap groups - all to no avail - do

you have any ideas? I DO buy wonderfully scented lavender - I know

its good - <wink wink>

 

any help appreciated!

 

Pam

 

 

 

, " David Lambert " <dlmbrt

wrote:

>

> I have bought several natural soaps made with various essential oils

> that have a great, strong smell to them. Is it possible some brands

> of natural soap are made with synthetic fragrances as well or is

there

> simply way too much essential oils in these soaps for the fragrance

to

> be so strong? Should I worry? Susan

>

> [Dave:] Worry? No, not necessarily. Some EOs are very fragrant

and stable

> in soap. Examples are lavender, tea tree, patchouli, lemon grass,

the

> mints, ylang-ylang and eucalyptus. Many others are more volatile

and

> fleeting. I do make a " Lavender & Cream " soap that contains a full

teaspoon

> of lavender oil per pound of oils. That's at the upper end for any

EO, and

> in general I use

[Guest guest]

Your post was really interesting to me - as I have NEVER been able to

get my soaps to retain any EO fragrance –

 

[Dave:] I don’t have an answer for you. Having said that EOs don’t give the

powerful, longlasting fragrance that FOs do, I do get many compliments on

the scents in my soaps even though I make no effort to use EOs as perfume.

Making soap often has aspects that wind up being a mystery, at least to me.

For instance, a few years ago I made a 100% olive oil castile that took 12

hours of continuous stirring to trace! I was a newbie and at the time this

seemed a catastrophe. But the soap came out great, and I have never had it

happen again. Bad lye? Weird oil? Who knows? Maybe someone knows all the

answers, but I don’t.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I've been making cp soaps for 10 years. I use eos - they retain their fragrance

until the soap is a sliver. To hold citrus oils and their scent, I use litsea

cubeba eo.

Namaste, Lynette of Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA terralyn27

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I have bought several natural soaps made with various essential oils

> that have a great, strong smell to them. Is it possible some brands

> of natural soap are made with synthetic fragrances as well<

 

Possible? Of course. Since soap does not require ingredient labeling

it is more than possible. Finding a soap that has NO synthetic

fragrances is much harder than the opposite.

 

" Natural " means what you want it to mean...or nothing at all.

 

Unless the product has the only seal available regarding natural

ingredients, the Natural Ingredient Resource Center seal...or the

manufacturer defines for their customers what " they " mean by

natural...it may only mean not soap from the moon.

 

Sue

[Guest guest]

I've been making cp soaps for 10 years. I use eos - they retain their

fragrance until the soap is a sliver. To hold citrus oils and their scent, I

use litsea cubeba eo.

Namaste, Lynette of Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

 

[Dave:] I like that idea! I have used litsea cubeba but don’t have much

experience with it. I’m told it’s a great oil to use in soaps for people

with acne. I’ve used lemongrass for the same purpose, that is, to help hold

a citrusy scent. I don’t use EOs for perfume, except to fine-tune the smell

of a soap. If there’s eucalyptus and rosemary in one of mine, it’s going to

smell medicinal. But I might sweeten it up or maybe tweak it toward spicy

or give it a bassnote with a little patchouli or bergamot. But at that

point I am counting drops – or at least very small quantities – not just

dumping the stuff in.

 

I have never tried to create a real citrus-scented soap. It sounds nice.

Sometimes when I use powdered orange or lemon peel, a little of that note

remains in the soap. I do that with my cucumber soap, which has no added

scent, and it’s a nice, faint smell.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

, " Lynette Manteau "

<terralyn27 wrote:

>

> I've been making cp soaps for 10 years. I use eos - they retain

their fragrance until the soap is a sliver. To hold citrus oils and

their scent, I use litsea cubeba eo.

> Namaste, Lynette of Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

> Reading Terminal Market

> Philadelphia, PA terralyn27

>

>

[Guest guest]

Pam - For a 12 pound batch of soap (that's everything) I use anywhere from 5 oz

for the heavier eos, i.e. patchouli, to 7 for the lighter ones. For lavender, I

use 6. Breaking that down to a 3 pound batch, that would come to 1 1/2 oz of

eo. Your tablespoon just doesn't go far enough. Use more.

Namaste, Lynette of Terralyn - Bath, Body, Spirit

Reading Terminal Market

Philadelphia, PA terralyn27

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Pam,

 

I use folded orange oil in my soap. It sticks. I use Butch's Bulgarian

Lavender and Lavadin, Grosso and it holds beautifully. I generally use 4 oz of

eo's for one batch of soap which currently is 15.5 lbs. I suppose I could use

even more for a stronger scent, but it seems to be fine.

 

I just made a batch of soap the other day and used lavender, juniper berry,

amyris and about 2/3 oz of Bitter Orange Absoloute in the 15.5 lb batch and I

can even detect the orange in that one.

 

I mix my oils and lye at 100 F, and so far so good.

 

And when I've done hp soap, I generally can use less eo, like by half.

 

On the other side, I made a Pink Grapefruit/Coriander soap and I used the same 4

oz and so far I can just barely detect the grapefruit. Hopefully in 3 weeks

it'll bloom. Next time I'll add a little powdered orange peel or lemon peel

powder to help hold it.

 

Good luck to you!

 

Margaret

Mohea Natural Beauty LLC

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hmmmm

Margaret, your soap must smell so good!!!

Good taste!

Ane*

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I use orange peel oil

Before people come shouting there is pesticide in orange peel - I make it

infuse from the orange tree in my back yard (I live in a farm).

If by any chance you have the opportunity, just infuse your oils with the

stuff you are going to put into soap. It'll hold the smell. While it is drying

the smell disappears, but when it is ready it will come out beautifully.

Bj

Ane*

 

 

 

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