Guest guest Posted November 14, 2006 Report Share Posted November 14, 2006 OK, I can't imagine typing in that word that begins with D and ends in -ose that you are doing a prebuy on right now. I am interested b/c I wanted to make bubble bath for my 2-year old, and I was wondering if you had a recipe or knew the usage rates in that so that I can decide how much to buy, and if it costs less than that darned California Baby super sensitive stuff, the only one I can find without parabens and/or fake fragrance. Help! :-) Thanks, -- Debbie deb www.debrasrhapsody.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 > I am interested b/c I wanted to make bubble bath for my 2-year old< Personally, I'd go with the FDA on this one, and not allow children to use bubble baths at all! " Bubble Bath Products The risk associated with certain conditions of use of foaming detergent bath products, i.e., bubble bath products, particularly excessive or prolonged exposure, has been known for some time. Over the years, the agency has received numerous complaints from consumers and physicians about itching, rashes and urinary tract disorders. Reports in the medical literature have mentioned that the adverse reactions either subsided or disappeared when the use of bubble bath products was discontinued. Most adverse reactions appeared to have been caused by inadvertent product misuse which may not have occurred if consumers had been given proper directions for safe use of these products and had been cautioned about the possible adverse effects by means of a mandatory label warning. In 1980, the FDA published a regulation requiring that the labels of bubble bath products bear adequate directions for safe use and the prescribed caution statement. The effective date was subsequently stayed to permit reconsideration of the regulation. The new effective date of the revised regulation (it does not apply to foaming detergent bath products clearly labeled that they are intended for use exclusively by adults) is June 5, 1987 (51 FR 20471). The regulation (21 CFR 740.17) requires that children's foaming detergent bath products, i.e., children's bubble bath products, and all foaming detergent bath products not labeled as intended for use exclusively by adults, bear adequate directions for safe use and this caution: Caution - Use only as directed. Excessive use or prolonged exposure may cause irritation to skin and urinary tract. Discontinue use if rash, redness, or itching occur. Consult your physician if irritation persists. Keep out of reach of children. For the purpose of this regulation, a foaming detergent bath product (bubble bath product) is defined as any product intended to be added to the bath for the purpose of producing foam and containing a surface-active agent serving as a detergent or foaming agent. Examples of label statements properly identifying a product as being intended for use exclusively by adults are: " Keep out of reach of children " or " For adult use only. " " http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-hdb3.html Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 So I wonder does the FDA not recommend wearing underwear, because they too can cause itching, rashes, etc. (and no I'm not trying to be snotty.) I actually have a friend who's Doctor told her to stop wearing underwear because she had so many yeast infections. Granted if her Doctor looked at her diet and found out it consisted of starchy foods, sugary stuff etc. That would have given him a big " Hello " Also I just learned that Boric Acid tablets are good for yeast infections or to keep from having them. (from a Gynecologist.) Who also endorses Lactobacillus. I say moderation in all things. If you keep a close eye on your child and you know that they are sensitive then you know that they don't need to be using a bubble bath, but every once in a while a little girl will see a commercial for something with a child in a bubble bath and want one eventually even though it's not recommended by the FDA. The FDA also is one of those things that was created to help people and now sometimes all they help is Pharmaceutical companies. ---- CT HERB 11/14/2006 7:54:40 PM Re: bubbly-stuff buy -- Chris > I am interested b/c I wanted to make bubble bath for my 2-year old< Personally, I'd go with the FDA on this one, and not allow children to use bubble baths at all! " Bubble Bath Products The risk associated with certain conditions of use of foaming detergent bath products, i.e., bubble bath products, particularly excessive or prolonged exposure, has been known for some time. Over the years, the agency has received numerous complaints from consumers and physicians about itching, rashes and urinary tract disorders. Reports in the medical literature have mentioned that the adverse reactions either subsided or disappeared when the use of bubble bath products was discontinued. Most adverse reactions appeared to have been caused by inadvertent product misuse which may not have occurred if consumers had been given proper directions for safe use of these products and had been cautioned about the possible adverse effects by means of a mandatory label warning. In 1980, the FDA published a regulation requiring that the labels of bubble bath products bear adequate directions for safe use and the prescribed caution statement. The effective date was subsequently stayed to permit reconsideration of the regulation. The new effective date of the revised regulation (it does not apply to foaming detergent bath products clearly labeled that they are intended for use exclusively by adults) is June 5, 1987 (51 FR 20471). The regulation (21 CFR 740.17) requires that children's foaming detergent bath products, i.e., children's bubble bath products, and all foaming detergent bath products not labeled as intended for use exclusively by adults, bear adequate directions for safe use and this caution: Caution - Use only as directed. Excessive use or prolonged exposure may cause irritation to skin and urinary tract. Discontinue use if rash, redness, or itching occur. Consult your physician if irritation persists. Keep out of reach of children. For the purpose of this regulation, a foaming detergent bath product (bubble bath product) is defined as any product intended to be added to the bath for the purpose of producing foam and containing a surface-active agent serving as a detergent or foaming agent. Examples of label statements properly identifying a product as being intended for use exclusively by adults are: " Keep out of reach of children " or " For adult use only. " " http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-hdb3.html Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 Thank you! I totally agree, and I would bet that half the problem with most bubble baths are the awful chemicals that they are filled with, something I am trying to avoid. Jennifer wrote: > So I wonder does the FDA not recommend wearing underwear, because they too > can cause itching, rashes, etc. (and no I'm not trying to be snotty.) > > I actually have a friend who's Doctor told her to stop wearing underwear > because she had so many yeast infections. Granted if her Doctor looked at > her diet and found out it consisted of starchy foods, sugary stuff etc. > That would have given him a big " Hello " > > Also I just learned that Boric Acid tablets are good for yeast infections or > to keep from having them. (from a Gynecologist.) Who also endorses > Lactobacillus. > > > > I say moderation in all things. If you keep a close eye on your child and > you know that they are sensitive then you know that they don't need to be > using a bubble bath, but every once in a while a little girl will see a > commercial for something with a child in a bubble bath and want one > eventually even though it's not recommended by the FDA. > > The FDA also is one of those things that was created to help people and now > sometimes all they help is Pharmaceutical companies. > > ---- > > CT HERB > 11/14/2006 7:54:40 PM > > Re: bubbly-stuff buy -- Chris > >> I am interested b/c I wanted to make bubble bath for my 2-year old< > > Personally, I'd go with the FDA on this one, and not allow children > to use bubble baths at all! > > " Bubble Bath Products > The risk associated with certain conditions of use of foaming > detergent bath products, i.e., bubble bath products, particularly > excessive or prolonged exposure, has been known for some time. Over > the years, the agency has received numerous complaints from consumers > and physicians about itching, rashes and urinary tract disorders. > Reports in the medical literature have mentioned that the adverse > reactions either subsided or disappeared when the use of bubble bath > products was discontinued. Most adverse reactions appeared to have > been caused by inadvertent product misuse which may not have occurred > if consumers had been given proper directions for safe use of these > products and had been cautioned about the possible adverse effects by > means of a mandatory label warning. > > In 1980, the FDA published a regulation requiring that the labels of > bubble bath products bear adequate directions for safe use and the > prescribed caution statement. The effective date was subsequently > stayed to permit reconsideration of the regulation. The new effective > date of the revised regulation (it does not apply to foaming > detergent bath products clearly labeled that they are intended for > use exclusively by adults) is June 5, 1987 (51 FR 20471). > > The regulation (21 CFR 740.17) requires that children's foaming > detergent bath products, i.e., children's bubble bath products, and > all foaming detergent bath products not labeled as intended for use > exclusively by adults, bear adequate directions for safe use and this > caution: > > Caution - Use only as directed. Excessive use or prolonged exposure > may cause irritation to skin and urinary tract. Discontinue use if > rash, redness, or itching occur. Consult your physician if irritation > persists. Keep out of reach of children. > For the purpose of this regulation, a foaming detergent bath product > (bubble bath product) is defined as any product intended to be added > to the bath for the purpose of producing foam and containing a > surface-active agent serving as a detergent or foaming agent. > Examples of label statements properly identifying a product as being > intended for use exclusively by adults are: " Keep out of reach of > children " or " For adult use only. " " > > http://www.cfsan.fda.gov/~dms/cos-hdb3.html > > Sue > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 I have found that adding a packet of dry powdered milk (and in a pinch a cup or two of whole milk) and adding that to the running water (and then of course I turn on the jets) will add lots of good bubbles to my grkids water! I think its a healthy alternative and they love it! Pam , " CT HERB " <Email wrote: > > > I am interested b/c I wanted to make bubble bath for my 2-year old< > > Personally, I'd go with the FDA on this one, and not allow children > to use bubble baths at all! > > " Bubble Bath Products > The risk associated with certain conditions of use of foaming > detergent bath products, i.e., bubble bath products, particularly > excessive or prolonged exposure, has been known for some time. Over > the years, the agency has received numerous complaints from consumers > and physicians about itching, rashes and urinary tract disorders. > Reports in the medical literature have mentioned that the adverse > reactions either subsided or disappeared when the use of bubble bath > products was discontinued. Most adverse reactions appeared to have > been caused by inadvertent product misuse which may not have occurred Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2006 Report Share Posted November 15, 2006 >but every once in a while a little girl will see a commercial for something with a child in a bubble bath and want one eventually even though it's not recommended by the FDA.< I agree. But a little girl who can " tell you where it hurts " is different than a 2 year old. I guess my point was missed in posting the FDA regulations. I'll be more clear. If the commercial world of bubble bath makers can't successfully create a wonderful bubble bath that is safe for children...a Mom with no experience in making cosmetics really REALLY should not be making her own and testing it out on a two year old just to save money on the more expensive brands that ARE potentially safer. IMHO that is. Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 16, 2006 Report Share Posted November 16, 2006 I will try this, what a great tip. Thank you Pam! Debbie Pam Staley wrote: > I have found that adding a packet of dry powdered milk (and in a > pinch a cup or two of whole milk) and adding that to the running > water (and then of course I turn on the jets) will add lots of good > bubbles to my grkids water! I think its a healthy alternative and > they love it! > > Pam > > > , " CT HERB " <Email wrote: >>> I am interested b/c I wanted to make bubble bath for my 2-year > old< >> Personally, I'd go with the FDA on this one, and not allow children >> to use bubble baths at all! >> >> " Bubble Bath Products >> The risk associated with certain conditions of use of foaming >> detergent bath products, i.e., bubble bath products, particularly >> excessive or prolonged exposure, has been known for some time. Over >> the years, the agency has received numerous complaints from > consumers >> and physicians about itching, rashes and urinary tract disorders. >> Reports in the medical literature have mentioned that the adverse >> reactions either subsided or disappeared when the use of bubble > bath >> products was discontinued. Most adverse reactions appeared to have >> been caused by inadvertent product misuse which may not have > occurred > > > > > The information contained in these e-mails is not a substitute > for diagnosis and treatment by a qualified, licensed professional. > > > Step By Step Instructions For Making Herbal Labna Cheese! So easy, SO yummy! > http://www.aromaticsage.com/cz.htm > > > To adjust your group settings (i.e. go no mail) see the following link: /join > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 > I am not a mom with no experience, in fact, I have been running a successful business making all-natural bath and body products for years. And my baby line is in high demand, and my son's skin has benefited 100% from the products that I make.< I did assume and I'm sorry. It didn't seem that you knew how to make products because you were asking for a recipe, and you referred to trying to make a product less expensive than California Baby. I didn't mean to offend you! I'm glad you are experienced and even more glad that you are successfully running an all-natural body care products business. I am all in favor of that!! But I have also been in the natural body care industry for quite a few years and don't recognize your name...not that I know everyone but the community of actual " all-natural " is quite small. Here is a link to the members of the NIRC: http://www.naturalingredient.org/Links/links.htm I'm sure you'll find some great products among the members here, if you decide not to make your own bubble bath that is! Sue www.ctherb.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 17, 2006 Report Share Posted November 17, 2006 > Also, my 2 year old is perfectly capable of telling me where it hurts, but that is just an aside.< Here's a link to an ad I designed a few years ago for my previous employer: http://www.glastonbury-ct.com/images/NH-BS-dec02-150ad.jpg Clearly my comments didn't apply to you -- you know better. But perhaps one of the others here don't have your experience. Every list like this has primarily lurkers...maybe one of them is wondering why her little one has skin issues or UTI's all the time, and this discussion will help them. I hope so. It's hard to know what someone else knows, what is obvious to one is " news " to another. I ended a business relationship with a gentleman after a conversation that really freaked me out. He taught at the college level, lectured across the country about his field. One day on the phone we were discussing ingredients and whether they were natural or not. He said " What about Emu Oil...that's natural isn't it? " I said yes, I certainly think it is...but personally I have a problem with animal products like that. He said " Why...it's not like they kill them to get the oil, right! " I couldn't even laugh because I knew he was serious. I said, what do you think they do...squeeze them real hard? Of COURSE they kill them...it's oil from the animal meat. The DEAD animal meat! So...after that...I guess I am guilty of thinking too many people are clueless! I seem to run into more than my fair share! Sue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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