Re:Off Topic/For Butch/Carol/Rhavda

[Guest guest]

Dear Carol & Rhavda,

I don't think you have a thing to apologize for we are most all adults here and

hear much worse language than this on TV or on the street for that matter.

 

Being FREE Americans means the right to speak what ever we want even if it isn't

the nicest of words, and the reason we are able to do this is because we have

strong feeling people who fight and stand up for all in our country. That is

part of a democratic society, surely none of us want a dictatorship or socialist

regime to take over can you imagine what it would be like ... I shudder to

think!

 

I have had many close friends, family and relatives that have been in the

service and fought and died for our country. Each and everyone did it because

they wanted all of us and future generations to be able to be free and able to

say what we want, do what we want, ANY time we want. Long ago there used to be

a draft .. today however it is strictly free choice for a person to sign up for

duty and a military service... so we can't say they are doing this against their

will any longer...

The men & women that serve in our military do so because they choose to not

because they are made to ... It is there choice to serve, protect and keep the

country they love free. It shows great disrespect to them when we don't

support what they CHOOSE to do, to keep our country free so that we can do what

we want to on any given day.

 

Politicians are what get us into wars with their so called diplomatic garbage...

there are good politicians and bad politicians... but we are the ones that put

politicians in office. When there are bad politicians it is our duty to get them

out of office... it is or duty to stop the insanity they start.

We have no one to blame but ourselves if a bad politician remains in office, so

don't blame the military for wars blame the ones in government that get our

military into these messes.

Ultimately this all falls back on our shoulders for either voting in the wrong

person or not voting them out once we find they are stirring shit ... so it

isn't the so called mentality of a soldier that is to blame they just go where

they are told, it is the people who let the politicians remain in office that

cause this " insane war " thing.

Gives us all pause for thought doesn't it???

 

No offense is meant by this post just an explanation of how all this comes

about... is this an apology for my post.... absolutely not... i am a free

American who is free because we have soldiers that care that we stay free.

I'm sure pappa Butch can tell us how difficult war can be and that the military

isn't always a picnic for anyone ... but they do it as a labor of love not

because they are forced to.

 

Have a happy week and enjoy your freedom everyone.

Vicki

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

> I'm sure pappa Butch can tell us how difficult war can be and that

the military isn't always a picnic for anyone ... but they do it as a

labor of love not because they are forced to.<

 

I guess I have a totally different upbringing and experience. I don't

know of a single person of the 35 and under generation, who joined the

service but for two reasons; they could not afford college and this

would pay for their education - or - the didn't want to go to college

but also had no career, and the military gave them an opportunity to

earn a living.

 

And as the parent of a 17 year old boy and a 20 year old girl -- I am

very aware of the rumors that a draft might be on the horizon. So

being " forced to " is a very real possibility and it sickens me more

than anything else I have ever thought about. Sue

[Guest guest]

Well, I have only gotten part of this thread BUT, my son Chris is serving

right now as we speak on the front lines in Iraq. The earlier post I forwarded

it to him, but not because I read it as anything if insult. I read it with a

chuckle on a few of the comments it said because they were true. For example

the guys stuff coming up missing happens a lot. And the comradery they have

over there right now is just that. It is very strong, they are taking bullets

for each other literally. They share hearing them flying over head, share

their fears, their worries they have about their loved ones back home. Yes,

better than Dr Phil would do because they are both experiencing it together.

Other than the fact some people might be offended by the potty language,

which is nothing compared to how their language worsens, I don't understand

what

the confrontation is about? But as I said, I may have missed something

posted derogatory about our soldiers. If I did, then I'm glad I missed it.

 

I am in no way trying to start a fight please.

 

Cherie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Dear Sue,

Let's move on to another subject. We could get into a discussion here

on the draft and who's going into the various services for whatever

reasons. I could go on to say that my son graduated in the top 10 per cent

of his class and had received over 5 full scholarships to several major

colleges including the US Naval Academy which he chose. By the way the US

Naval Academy had 12,000 applicants for 1,200 slots last year and the

people chosen were from the top 10 per cent of their classes. That just

doesn't sound to me like people who don't have a future. The military does

not take people with criminal records or who have not finished high school.

They are very picky because of the schooling and training that they give to

their soldiers. They are now looking for quality and not quantity. My son

upon graduation will be a mechanical engineer as well as going to pilot

training within 6 months of graduation. He has a future and a job and has

definitely worked very hard to get where he is today. The changes that have

taken place in him are awesome. He has become a leader with self-esteem and

confidence about where he is going and what he is going to be doing for the

next 7 years of his life. He is happy with that while many of his friends

are still trying to find their paths. (Each academy has a similar process

of selection of students and if you take the 5 major academies (Army,

Navy/Marines, Air Force, Coast Guard, and Merchant Marine as well as the

reseverists in the National Guard, you have well over 50,000 young people

who are not losers but from the top ten per cent of their classes. To me

that doesn't sound like young people who don't know where they want to go.

When they graduate from their respective colleges, each of these young

people will know where they are going and why and that they are going to

make a difference in this world while many of their friends will be

struggling with who are they and where are they going and what will they

wear tomorrow and will they ever make a difference in this world.

Furthermore, these young people in the service will be making good money

and have benefits available to them that we don't have. I'm not a poster

Mom for the Services but one who has seen wonderful changes for the better.

I have a son who is intelligent, a leader, has self-confidence, soon to

have a degree and become a pilot, religious in his own belief system, has

self-esteem, and is not on drugs thanks to his taining.) I am not in favor

of the draft but if it is instituted then there is little I can do about it

but the flip side to the draft is that it might give many of our young

people time to mature, find out what life is all about, and decide what

they want to do with their lives. (And Yes, I am from the Viet Nam era. I

lost many friends to that war so I do know what goes on. I am not in denial

about what could happen.)

Again, let's move on to another subject. I have spoken what I am

going to say and if you wish to continue this, then go private. My email is

at the top of this email.

Best wishes for your children. May they be granted their wishes and

yours as well.

Rhavda

 

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Re:Off Topic/For Butch/Carol/Rhavda

 

 

> I'm sure pappa Butch can tell us how difficult war can be and that

the military isn't always a picnic for anyone ... but they do it as a

labor of love not because they are forced to.<

 

I guess I have a totally different upbringing and experience. I don't

know of a single person of the 35 and under generation, who joined the

service but for two reasons; they could not afford college and this

would pay for their education - or - the didn't want to go to college

but also had no career, and the military gave them an opportunity to

earn a living.

 

And as the parent of a 17 year old boy and a 20 year old girl -- I am

very aware of the rumors that a draft might be on the horizon. So

being " forced to " is a very real possibility and it sickens me more

than anything else I have ever thought about. Sue

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Ok, Folks, I am officially closing this thread, if you want to

continue your conversations then please do so OFF LIST.

 

Its time to move on to other topics.

 

Carol