Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 I don't think this company is misleading folks at all. I think she sells a superior product. Minerals are every bit as natural as plants, if " natural " is to be understood as not synthetic as opposed to not botanical. Minerals occur naturally in nature, as naturally as do plants and animals. Lip balms will necessarily contain oils, I don't think any deception can be deduced from that. Because some of the same ingredients are used by both natural as well as conventional cosmetic companies does not mean that those particular ingredients are not natural. I am not aware of any preservative system being necessary in mineral makeup as there is no water. I'm concerned that accusing small businesses of being deceptive without any proof of that can unfairly harm them. That would be a terrible shame, especially when the business owner is honestly offering a quality item(s). I stand by Vanessa's products! Sandy On Feb 3, 2007, at 2:43 AM, aromamedical2003 wrote: > I think this company are stretching the meaning of the term " natural " > to the absolute limit. Many people consider that only products made or > derived from plants should have that title. This company and other > selling so called " mineral " cosmetics are in reality using the same > minerals as are used in conventional cosmetics. In addition, they do > not say what preservative systems they use which frequently are not of > natural origin. On one page they say they do not use oils in their > produces, yet on the lip balm products page they state the ingredients > as containing fixed oils. > > Misleading marketing claims are as common in alternative web sites as > in convential cosmetics. The Internet is crammed to bursting with such > hype. > > Martin Watt > http://www.aromamedical.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I would not wish to damage the business of a work-from-home-person who has tried within their ability to supply the best products. Due to that, I will not delve into other issues on her web site particularly over what essential oils are good for. This is because those errors are common to thousands of such web sites. Some of the more common errors are covered in various articles on my own site. The old hands on this group who know me, will acknowledge I am not one for holding back unless I am challenged. So for now I will keep to the minerals issues only. Vanessa said: >An all mineral makeup product is completely different than a >conventional makeup product. Comparing them is like comparing apples >and oranges. " In my opinion this is misleading as it is trying to give the impression that there is a major difference between an 'all mineral' product and a conventional cosmetic. Some of the big players use exactly the same minerals (coated or not), and no one knows if every supplier is using other additives because they keep their formulas as trade secrets. Only an extensive campaign of analysis could possibly reveal the ingredients in those formulas and I am not aware of such extensive data. I know that ground minerals are used in most face powders, and often the cheapest products have fewer synthetics to keep the cost down. Vanessa said: >Furthermore, there is no definition of " natural " that excludes >naturally occurring minerals " . I would not disagree with that, but it is a general understanding within the aromatherapy and allied fields that " natural " equates to a material extracted from botanical sources. That is why animal fats such as Emu oil are not generally acceptable within aromatherapy even though they are used in some cosmetics. Minerals fall in the same scenario. Vanessa said: >Nor do they need, require, or contain preservatives, as inorganic >substances like minerals cannot support bacterial or fungal growth " . In that case, why is it that most powders used in cosmetic products are zapped with radiation to ensure they are sterile? I kind of recall that recent investigations have proven mother earth is truly 'alive' because bacteria have been detected in different rocks from several miles depth. Therefore, I doubt the statement that these powders " cannot support support growth " depending on how they are packaged and treated. Martin Watt Being kind today. http://www.aromamedical.com , " sandy " <nipper wrote: > > I don't think this company is misleading folks at all. I think she sells a > superior product. Minerals are every bit as natural as plants, if " natural " > is to be understood as not synthetic as opposed to not botanical. Minerals > occur naturally in nature, as naturally as do plants and animals. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 , " aromamedical2003 " <aromamedical wrote: > > Vanessa said: > >Nor do they need, require, or contain preservatives, as inorganic > >substances like minerals cannot support bacterial or fungal growth " . > > In that case, why is it that most powders used in cosmetic products are zapped with radiation to ensure they are sterile? I kind of recall that recent investigations have proven mother earth is truly 'alive' because bacteria have been detected in different rocks from several miles depth. Therefore, I doubt the statement that these powders " cannot support support growth " depending on how they are packaged and treated. > Martin Watt > Being kind today. > http://www.aromamedical.com ----------------------- The preservative issue comes in because many mineral makeup formulators have started adding organinc incredients such as corn starch, rice powder and silk powder. Many makeup manufacturers preserve as a matter of course, because why take the chance of injuring someone. Better to be cautious and preserve the product. Besides mold spores and such can be dormant for years before becoming active when they encounter water. The mineral itself may not support growth, but it can carry the little buggers to a location where they can grow. The anti-paraben campaign has pretty much run its course since the initial hysteria died down when the " evidence " was so weak. It remains alive and well as an Internet rumor and occasionally pops up. But I suspect it will be around for a while. Joanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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