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Hey y'all,

 

Back on the subject of Political Correctness and the tendency to go to

extremes to avoid insulting or offending folks who would probably not

feel insulted or offended if they looked at the subject discussed in

the entire context of a presentation .. especially (and in this case)

when the context is a History Lesson.

 

Below is a news article from the Times Online .. from the UK. It is

going to blow your mind .. I think.

 

As I wrote yesterday, Political Correctness is a barrier to discussion

and it precludes dealing with problems that should be discussed.

 

The article below is about ..

 

> Teachers are dropping controversial subjects such as the Holocaust

and the Crusades

> from history lessons because they do not want to offend children

from certain races

> or religions, a report claims.

 

If we must consider such things when teaching history and sociology ..

and geography, to name but a few disciplines that require discussion

of various religions .. then we will have one heckuva tough row to hoe

because I can't recall many historical events that have not upset some

group.

 

Unless I knew better .. I would assume that avoidance of the

particular " controversial " subjects above .. by teachers in the UK ..

is driven by fear of reprisal by groups that take offense to most any

discussion from the West .. the same groups that get upset over cartoons.

 

In any case .. I think it is ridiculous .. totally ridiculous!

 

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article1600686.ece

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch

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and see, that just drive ME nutz!

 

I've been avoiding the political discussions because I'm an " in your face "

type person and without being able to read the person I'm talking to and

vice versa, it can cause unintenended miscommunication/impressions.

 

However this just pisses me off. I hate censorship and " burying " history so

as not to offend is not only offensive, it's stupid. It's not just the brits

that do it either. Do you think I learned in school about the roundup of the

japanese in the United States during world war 2? Nope. It wasn't school

that taught me the expanse of cruelty and nastiness that we perpetrated

upon the American Indians either. Though we learned about Slavery in school

it was the good Northern Folk who had never condoned it nor ever owned

slaves, fighing the injustice and cruelty of the bad folks in the south and

there was very little if any mention of any of the flip side.

 

If folk start burying certain pieces of history so as not to upset folk, you

might as well banish the subject completely. The good as well as the bad

because there isn't going to be anything left to write about, There is not

one group of people that hasn't been, cold, cruel, viscious, intolerant,

merciless to someone at some point.

 

History is supposed to teach us something, and if we hide certain parts of

it, how can we learn to not only how to avoid such inhumanity?

 

There was a piece in the news here a few weeks ago. A man who had been in

the concentration camps and was lecturing here in the SF bay area was

cornered by some fruit cake who attempted to kidnap him because he wanted

this man to confess that the holocaust had never happened. That it was just

a lie. >sigh< Just because a truth is uncomfortable doesn't mean it doesn't

have something to teach us or that it's invalid and denying history does not

have anything to do with Political Correctness, just plain old fear of

oneself being made uncomfortable.

 

Now I'm going to shut up, tend to my headache and prolly go beat up " The cat

who lives under the bed " , who doesn't any more (much). And before anyone can

get upset about me beating up my cat, He likes it. He's not a very social

cat, but he seems to love me and likes it when I roll him upside down and in

general thump on him. He's a little tank of a cat, very solid and amazingly,

gentle. When he slaps at me, he never uses claws, but he's so powerful he

doesn't need to. You KNOW when you've been smacked by that cat! ;-)

 

K

 

 

 

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Dear Kathleen,

Awesome reply! Keep up the political incorrectness. There needs to be

a lot more of it where history is concerned. When my brother and I were

little my father would tell us about the problems that the Bulgarians had

living under the Turkish Yoke for over 1500 years. We thought that he was

just telling us bad stories. He left when he was 14 years old to avoid be

drafted into World War I. Then when I made my first trip to Bulgaria I

found out that everything he said was true. Yes, we do learn from history

and we always need to be truthful even if the truth does hurt.

Love,

Rhavda

Scents of Success

Arlington, Texas

 

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Re: OT: Schools Drop Holocaust Lessons to Avoid

Offence

 

 

and see, that just drive ME nutz!

 

I've been avoiding the political discussions because I'm an " in your face "

type person and without being able to read the person I'm talking to and

vice versa, it can cause unintenended miscommunication/impressions.

 

However this just pisses me off. I hate censorship and " burying " history so

as not to offend is not only offensive, it's stupid. It's not just the brits

that do it either. Do you think I learned in school about the roundup of the

japanese in the United States during world war 2? Nope. It wasn't school

that taught me the expanse of cruelty and nastiness that we perpetrated

upon the American Indians either. Though we learned about Slavery in school

it was the good Northern Folk who had never condoned it nor ever owned

slaves, fighing the injustice and cruelty of the bad folks in the south and

there was very little if any mention of any of the flip side.

 

History is supposed to teach us something, and if we hide certain parts of

it, how can we learn to not only how to avoid such inhumanity?

 

K

 

 

 

Cheers!

Kathleen Petrides

The Woobey Queen

Http://www.woobeyworld.com

 

 

 

 

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Hi Butch an all

Well, this got me mad because if true, its just so, so, SO totally

wrong that I was planning on writing to my MP to protest.

But first I went looking for our national Core Curriculum to see what

the actual facts are as so often our newspapers put a slant on things

- for whatever reason...<shrug>.

The Core Curriculum is mandatory for all schools (of whatever

denomination, private or state) in the UK, and is split in to stages

( " Key Stage " ) for the different age groups.

Here's what I found for Key Stage 3 (that's age 11 - 16) on the UK

Government's own Education & Skills - The Standards Site.

 

http://tinyurl.com/2yr2g4

 

Scroll to item 19 " How and why did the Holocaust Happen? " - click into

it to read the extent to which this subject is covered - including

" What was the Final Solution? "

This unit is designed for year 9 pupils - that's age 13/14 - which I

(personally) think is a more appropriate age to study this dark part

of our history in depth, rather than at primary age.

 

I think the dear old Times may well be doing a little wooden spooning

(mixing) because although Primary School do indeed cover WW2, they

cover it (as the ages of the pupils dictate - 5 to 11 years old's) on

the more day-to-day aspects of living through the war - evacuation,

rationing, food parcels from USA, women taking on men's jobs, what

school was like...etc.

Primary school kids don't have the Holocaust on the syllabus to start

with - so I'm not at all sure how or why the Times put this story

together. Senior school pupils cover this vital part of history with

the attention it deserves.

 

How sum ever - just because this story is exaggerated doesn't mean

there is no problem. We all should keep an eye on whats going on

around us.

Keenly.

HTH clear whats happening in UK schools - a little.

LLx

 

On 03/04/07, Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote:

> Hey y'all,

>

> Back on the subject of Political Correctness and the tendency to go to

> extremes to avoid insulting or offending folks who would probably not

> feel insulted or offended if they looked at the subject discussed in

> the entire context of a presentation .. especially (and in this case)

> when the context is a History Lesson.

>

> Below is a news article from the Times Online .. from the UK. It is

> going to blow your mind .. I think.

>

> As I wrote yesterday, Political Correctness is a barrier to discussion

> and it precludes dealing with problems that should be discussed.

>

> The article below is about ..

>

> > Teachers are dropping controversial subjects such as the Holocaust

> and the Crusades

> > from history lessons because they do not want to offend children

> from certain races

> > or religions, a report claims.

>

> If we must consider such things when teaching history and sociology ..

> and geography, to name but a few disciplines that require discussion

> of various religions .. then we will have one heckuva tough row to hoe

> because I can't recall many historical events that have not upset some

> group.

>

> Unless I knew better .. I would assume that avoidance of the

> particular " controversial " subjects above .. by teachers in the UK ..

> is driven by fear of reprisal by groups that take offense to most any

> discussion from the West .. the same groups that get upset over cartoons.

>

> In any case .. I think it is ridiculous .. totally ridiculous!

>

> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/education/article1600686.ece

>

> Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch

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History is supposed to teach us something, and if we hide certain parts of

it, how can we learn to not only how to avoid such inhumanity?

 

[Dave:] The first thing we can let history teach us is that it’s the

winner’s version of what happened, not necessarily what really happened. I

don’t know of a more important principle than the individual search for

truth.

 

 

 

 

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Political Correctness is a barrier to discussion

and it precludes dealing with problems that should be discussed.

 

[Dave:] That’s a statement I agree with 111%. I was just thinking...what’s

WRONG with a classroom discussion that goes, “When yada yada happened, a lot

of groups got upset. A lot of them are still upset. Does anyone know

anyone who’s still upset about yada yada? Yes? Maybe you could write a

report and present it to the class so that we can see both sides, and then

we can all talk about it.” Or something along those lines...

 

I have a Mexican co-worker...I have quite a few Mexican co-workers, but this

particular one is someone I have frequent political discussions with,

especially about the reconquista and the way the current immigration climate

affects him and his family and friends. The reason I have as much respect

for Laureano as I have is that we can throw the PC BS out the window and

speak our minds.

 

 

 

 

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