Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Howdy Rhavda, Long time fer'shur .. hoping I am that all is well in your neck of the woods. :-P > Dear Jane, > I love your idea about having an aromatherapy conference in Austin, > Texas but it will not happen anytime soon in my opinion. For years NAHA has > been approached about having a conference in this area of the world and we > got turned down because there are not enough of us to make it financially > feasible to hold. You are thinking NAHA and that is what most folks are used to. But it was disgust with the antics of NAHA years back (when Jade was playing games as the Director) that caused Linda and Graham and a few other folks to decide to hold much smaller .. far more friendly .. and far less costly .. conferences in the middle states. You are a Regional Director for NAHA .. but there were many Regionals who were disgusted with Jade's activities .. so being one of the Regional Directors does not make one smell the same way as did some of those closer to the flag pole. Gotta make that clear now. > Most of the aromatherapy groups are either on the East or West Coast and > that is where they will spend their money. They will not come to Texas, > especially when it is hot here. In the past we have not been concerned about AT Groups .. in fact, the Gud Ol' Boys & Gals AT Network was not specifically invited .. those who were aware of a conference were those on this list and the ATFE list .. and that was enough. I have customers in 50 states and the majority of them are from California .. but 2nd to that is TaxUs .. so there are one heckuva lotta Taxicans who are interested. > I attended both a conference on the East Coast (2004) I was scheduled to speak at that NAHA conference (or maybe it was the year before) but then Jade and her cronies started playing games with NAHA .. so I cancelled .. even though I was coming to the USA anyway and they would have paid my airfare, I couldn't go to their conference if I could no longer support NAHA .. so I paid my airfare. At that time I was not only not supporting NAHA but I was of a mind to want see them go down for the count. The name " UnConference " was especially chosen to distinguish it from NAHA activities .. and the first one was held at the same time NAHA held one .. that too was planned. There was at that time .. and might still might be .. an embargo of NAHA activities by many in the AT community. As for costs, NAHA was a profit making non-profit .. probably still is. But our conferences had a totally non-profit motive and there was no kitty to feed .. no expenses. > and one on the West Coast (2000) and the people in attendance came mostly > from these areas. A good reason to NOT have it on the East or West Coast. Folks who want it delivered to them on a Silver Platter should stay home. ;-) If a person wants to come then having it in the middle of the USA is the best thing .. and we don't expect 100 people to show up .. 20 is fine. I am not sure that the location is as much of an issue as is who is holding the conference. There was a conference in Toronto back in 1999. Toronto is not all that close to anyone .. but lots of folks attended. The list of those who presented at that conference are listed here .. http://www.aromamedical.com/articles/IATA.htm .. upper right hand corner of the page .. and as best as I can remember there were maybe 150 folks or so in attendance. By the way .. that page is a summary of the discussions .. I still have maybe 20 copies of the bound final after action document .. much more detail .. and I have offered them to folks from time to time for $25 .. exactly what I paid for them .. if anyone wants one just write me. My point in all this is .. folks who want to come will come .. those who need to be pushed to come will always find a reason to not come. For the last few years many folks found reasons to not support NAHA. > You have a wonderful idea but because of the costs involved and the support > needed to put on a conference you will not see one in this part of the world > whether it be Austin, Dallas-Fort Worth, or Houston. I believe that there WILL BE an AT Conference in Texas this year .. or fairly close to Texas maybe. How many folks show up .. that's yet to be determined, but for sure those that do show up will have one Heckuva Gud Time. :-P Two of the past conferences were held in Arizona .. I made one of them and Martin Watt made one of them .. I came from Turkey and Martin came from London .. and last year it was held in Alburquerque .. I and other folks made that one. We had folks show up in Albuquerque from Boston, Los Angeles .. Texas and Turkey. The support needed is next to nothing .. last year we simply drew up a one sheet list of who would speak on what and we did it .. it was not a Dawg & Pony Show .. folks sat around & listened and asked questions and it was a good thing .. same as in years past. If we wanted to have a Dawg & Pony Show we would have had to start the planning around 18 months ago .. you know that is a fact. As for costs .. there probably will be NONE to be paid .. no speakers expenses are paid. NAHA pays air, hotel, food, etc., for speakers. Our conference is one of those " Come on down y'all " kinda things. ;-) There was $30 a head cost last year because we booked a classroom in the University of New Mexico .. but at the last minute we decided that we were happier doing it in the complex where we were staying .. so we cancelled but they would not return the money. It is possible that the conference this year will cost $0 per head .. folks just pay for their own " getting there " and then lodging, chow and whatever. > I am the North Texas Regional Director for NAHA and I have difficulty in > even getting people together for a regional meeting and would have more > of a problem trying to get people involved on a state level. You and I are buddies so I know you'll not take this personally .. but if I lived one block away from where NAHA was holding a conference I would not go .. and I know a heckuva lotta others who feel the same way. > Remember Texas is a big state and each part of Texas lives in its own > little world. ;-D Dang .. California is another country all together and those folks came to Arizona twice and to Albuquerque. ;-) > I hope that this information helps. If it was a NAHA type Conference we were planning it would be very helpful but since that is not what we are planning, it provided a springboard for explaining what our Conference is NOT. ;-) > Rhavda Emison > Scents of Success > Arlington, Texas Y'all have a good one .. and see you at the Texas (or thereabouts) AT Conference this year. Maybe the group will decide to hold it in some exotic place .. like maybe " Cut & Shoot " . Lots of folks probably spent their entire lives wondering what it was like in " Cut & Shot " I would sho'nuf be game to have " it " there. Actually, " AT Conference " sounds kinda boring. I am sure folks can come up with something a bit more catchy that that. ;-) Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2007 Report Share Posted April 9, 2007 Dear Butch, It is great to hear from you and your opinions. I am well aware of your views on NAHA as they have not changed in the past few years. However, if you want to change NAHA then you should become a member again and run for office so that changes can be made. The reason that I joined NAHA years ago was to help make a difference. I don't believe that I have been able to do much on a national level since I don't care for the politics of many of the upper people involved but I can make a difference on my local level by trying to bring people together who love aromatherapy and want to talk about it. I do not agree with everything that NAHA does or says but I can take a stand to try and change things rather that complain about the problems and do nothing. By the way I spoke at a NAHA conference several years ago and my way as well as my hotel and food was not paid for by NAHA. Your experience with them paying your way must have been several years before. Are you also aware that Aromatics In Action is another aromatherapy organization started as a result of the NAHA politics? I joined them because they are young and vibrant and need to be supported if they are going to make a difference in our community. Last fall they had a conference planned but it didn't make because they did not have the people needed nor the support and money needed. Money, contrary to what you are talking about does make a difference for people who want to attend. Not everyone is you or Martin Watt. I am coming in on the tail end of this thread due to bouncing my messages for the past week so if there are other conferences or organizations out there, please share the information with me. Thanks. Maybe you might even think about putting together a conference where you are going to be living. I am sure that it would be a great success for all involved. I am glad that you have your opinions and I am glad that I have my opinions. We both have our opinions based on our past history with NAHA and other organizations or rather lack of organizations because people often chose to complain from afar and help tear apart an organization that could be rebuilt if those people wanted to really make a difference and change things. Isn't it great that we live in a country where we can express differences of opinion without problems? I'm glad that you are back at full blast. I look forward to your emails. They are always so insightful and interesting. Take care and have a great week! I look forward to seeing you at the next aromatherapy conference in Austin. Regards, Rhavda Mother of a future Marine Air Pilot who will graduate from the US Naval Academy on May 25, 2007. Semper Fi Original Message: ----------------- Butch Owen butchbsi Mon, 09 Apr 2007 04:02:41 -0000 AT Conference - In Texas or Thereabouts Howdy Rhavda, Long time fer'shur .. hoping I am that all is well in your neck of the woods. :-P > Dear Jane, > I love your idea about having an aromatherapy conference in Austin, > Texas but it will not happen anytime soon in my opinion. For years NAHA has > been approached about having a conference in this area of the world and we > got turned down because there are not enough of us to make it financially > feasible to hold. You are thinking NAHA and that is what most folks are used to. But it was disgust with the antics of NAHA years back (when Jade was playing games as the Director) that caused Linda and Graham and a few other folks to decide to hold much smaller .. far more friendly .. and far less costly .. conferences in the middle states. You are a Regional Director for NAHA .. but there were many Regionals who were disgusted with Jade's activities .. so being one of the Regional Directors does not make one smell the same way as did some of those closer to the flag pole. Gotta make that clear now. > Most of the aromatherapy groups are either on the East or West Coast and > that is where they will spend their money. They will not come to Texas, > especially when it is hot here. In the past we have not been concerned about AT Groups .. in fact, the Gud Ol' Boys & Gals AT Network was not specifically invited .. those who were aware of a conference were those on this list and the ATFE list .. and that was enough. I have customers in 50 states and the majority of them are from California .. but 2nd to that is TaxUs .. so there are one heckuva lotta Taxicans who are interested. > I attended both a conference on the East Coast (2004) I was scheduled to speak at that NAHA conference (or maybe it was the year before) but then Jade and her cronies started playing games with NAHA .. so I cancelled .. even though I was coming to the USA anyway and they would have paid my airfare, I couldn't go to their conference if I could no longer support NAHA .. so I paid my airfare. At that time I was not only not supporting NAHA but I was of a mind to want see them go down for the count. The name " UnConference " was especially chosen to distinguish it from NAHA activities .. and the first one was held at the same time NAHA held one .. that too was planned. There was at that time .. and might still might be .. an embargo of NAHA activities by many in the AT community. As for costs, NAHA was a profit making non-profit .. probably still is. But our conferences had a totally non-profit motive and there was no kitty to feed .. no expenses. > and one on the West Coast (2000) and the people in attendance came mostly > from these areas. A good reason to NOT have it on the East or West Coast. Folks who want it delivered to them on a Silver Platter should stay home. ;-) If a person wants to come then having it in the middle of the USA is the best thing .. and we don't expect 100 people to show up .. 20 is fine. I am not sure that the location is as much of an issue as is who is holding the conference. There was a conference in Toronto back in 1999. Toronto is not all that close to anyone .. but lots of folks attended. The list of those who presented at that conference are listed here .. http://www.aromamedical.com/articles/IATA.htm .. upper right hand corner of the page .. and as best as I can remember there were maybe 150 folks or so in attendance. By the way .. that page is a summary of the discussions .. I still have maybe 20 copies of the bound final after action document .. much more detail .. and I have offered them to folks from time to time for $25 .. exactly what I paid for them .. if anyone wants one just write me. My point in all this is .. folks who want to come will come .. those who need to be pushed to come will always find a reason to not come. For the last few years many folks found reasons to not support NAHA. > You have a wonderful idea but because of the costs involved and the support > needed to put on a conference you will not see one in this part of the world > whether it be Austin, Dallas-Fort Worth, or Houston. I believe that there WILL BE an AT Conference in Texas this year .. or fairly close to Texas maybe. How many folks show up .. that's yet to be determined, but for sure those that do show up will have one Heckuva Gud Time. :-P Two of the past conferences were held in Arizona .. I made one of them and Martin Watt made one of them .. I came from Turkey and Martin came from London .. and last year it was held in Alburquerque .. I and other folks made that one. We had folks show up in Albuquerque from Boston, Los Angeles .. Texas and Turkey. The support needed is next to nothing .. last year we simply drew up a one sheet list of who would speak on what and we did it .. it was not a Dawg & Pony Show .. folks sat around & listened and asked questions and it was a good thing .. same as in years past. If we wanted to have a Dawg & Pony Show we would have had to start the planning around 18 months ago .. you know that is a fact. As for costs .. there probably will be NONE to be paid .. no speakers expenses are paid. NAHA pays air, hotel, food, etc., for speakers. Our conference is one of those " Come on down y'all " kinda things. ;-) There was $30 a head cost last year because we booked a classroom in the University of New Mexico .. but at the last minute we decided that we were happier doing it in the complex where we were staying .. so we cancelled but they would not return the money. It is possible that the conference this year will cost $0 per head .. folks just pay for their own " getting there " and then lodging, chow and whatever. > I am the North Texas Regional Director for NAHA and I have difficulty in > even getting people together for a regional meeting and would have more > of a problem trying to get people involved on a state level. You and I are buddies so I know you'll not take this personally .. but if I lived one block away from where NAHA was holding a conference I would not go .. and I know a heckuva lotta others who feel the same way. > Remember Texas is a big state and each part of Texas lives in its own > little world. ;-D Dang .. California is another country all together and those folks came to Arizona twice and to Albuquerque. ;-) > I hope that this information helps. If it was a NAHA type Conference we were planning it would be very helpful but since that is not what we are planning, it provided a springboard for explaining what our Conference is NOT. ;-) > Rhavda Emison > Scents of Success > Arlington, Texas Y'all have a good one .. and see you at the Texas (or thereabouts) AT Conference this year. Maybe the group will decide to hold it in some exotic place .. like maybe " Cut & Shoot " . Lots of folks probably spent their entire lives wondering what it was like in " Cut & Shot " I would sho'nuf be game to have " it " there. Actually, " AT Conference " sounds kinda boring. I am sure folks can come up with something a bit more catchy that that. ;-) Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com -- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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