Guest guest Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Hi Rhavda, I can appreciate your position, although I do not agree with it. If an organization is not cleanly and honestly functioning at the top, no grass root regional efforts at the bottom will effectively pull the wool over people's eyes to hide the incompetency and/or malfeasance ongoing at the corporate level. If you recall, an attempt WAS made to rebuild from within NAHA. For re-edification and review for some who've been around the bend and to help newbies gain a little more insight, here are some facts. Industry-wide concern with the actions at NAHA resulted in a petition to investigate NAHA activities which was submitted to the IRS and state of Colorado where they are incorporated (written in terms referenced by the Colorado code and IRS rules that applied to each area of concern) and can be found at http://www.petitiononline.com/naha3666/petition.html This petition has been signed by 131 past members or would-be members and supporting affidavits for the allegations can be found at http://www.nahaexposed.org/ The discussions there has not been active in quite a while, and most of us have gone on to other things. Recently, there has been a behind-the-scenes discussion to see if there is a consensus to re-submit the petition since we have not seen necessary changes within NAHA even with a new slate of officers, and many feel that NAHA does not represent the highest standards of aromatherapy as it should, and the quality of services and publications has deteriorated. The petition itself languished at the state level when the head of the department ran for Congress. The IRS kept putting it down the priority list because of other badder fish to fry. Success this time around will depend on being more of a squeaky wheel, and the fact that there are more areas of concern or those items not corrected. Every petitioner will be contacted to voice their opinion with regard to re-submittal. I, personally, think that it would be a good idea as none of the concerns in the petition have been directly addressed by NAHA officers and suggestions for improvement/compliance have been ignored. A look at the NAHA website shows lots of suggestions for what the new administration had hoped to accomplish, but no real accomplishments in the form of an annual report has ever been sent to members nor posted on the website. They are still in violation of their own bylaws by not having a Treasurer and fiscal responsibility is still lacking (last fiscal report on web is 2001). This is but the tip of the iceberg. I agree with Butch and others that there is room for more than one informal gathering or formal organization or group. AIA has a different mission than NAHA and is more focused on medical aromatherapy. Aromatherapy Conference Tours was perhaps a too-ambitious effort that now appears to be stalled or defunct. Many have turned to their massage or spa organization for education and support for use of essential oils. Holistic Nurses Association is another formal organization that supports aromatherapy efforts, as do other alternative medical organizations. However, there is a void in comprehensive lobbying for 'true' aromatherapy and unencumbered use of aromatic materials, legislatively. The policies now being developed via Codex/EU and trickling down to IFRA and eventual implementation in the US because of the thrust of 'harmonization' should concern us and we may need to fight the regulations that might ensue. We may need a strong grassroots effort to lobby on our own behalf very soon, and time will tell if it will need to be formalized. I genuinely appreciate and applaud your local efforts, Rhavda, and I know that activities such as yours are happening around the country, oftentimes without NAHA's sanction or involvement. I strongly disagree, however, that you will be capable of effecting good changes within the organization itself with your local efforts. So long as members do not demand excellence of the leaders they elect, they will not achieve it. I also disagree that simply paying money into the organization (dues, etc.) will make an appreciable change for the better. I, too, would love to join everyone in Austin (or wherever) this year, however, hard to commit at this time. I'll keep watching . . . Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com http://www.aromaconnection.org " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria ________________________________ On Behalf Of sos79 Sunday, April 08, 2007 10:29 PM Cc: sos79 RE: AT Conference - In Texas or Thereabouts Dear Butch, It is great to hear from you and your opinions. I am well aware of your views on NAHA as they have not changed in the past few years. However, if you want to change NAHA then you should become a member again and run for office so that changes can be made. The reason that I joined NAHA years ago was to help make a difference. I don't believe that I have been able to do much on a national level since I don't care for the politics of many of the upper people involved but I can make a difference on my local level by trying to bring people together who love aromatherapy and want to talk about it. I do not agree with everything that NAHA does or says but I can take a stand to try and change things rather that complain about the problems and do nothing. By the way I spoke at a NAHA conference several years ago and my way as well as my hotel and food was not paid for by NAHA. Your experience with them paying your way must have been several years before. Are you also aware that Aromatics In Action is another aromatherapy organization started as a result of the NAHA politics? I joined them because they are young and vibrant and need to be supported if they are going to make a difference in our community. Last fall they had a conference planned but it didn't make because they did not have the people needed nor the support and money needed. Money, contrary to what you are talking about does make a difference for people who want to attend. Not everyone is you or Martin Watt. I am coming in on the tail end of this thread due to bouncing my messages for the past week so if there are other conferences or organizations out there, please share the information with me. Thanks. Maybe you might even think about putting together a conference where you are going to be living. I am sure that it would be a great success for all involved. I am glad that you have your opinions and I am glad that I have my opinions. We both have our opinions based on our past history with NAHA and other organizations or rather lack of organizations because people often chose to complain from afar and help tear apart an organization that could be rebuilt if those people wanted to really make a difference and change things. Isn't it great that we live in a country where we can express differences of opinion without problems? I'm glad that you are back at full blast. I look forward to your emails. They are always so insightful and interesting. Take care and have a great week! I look forward to seeing you at the next aromatherapy conference in Austin. Regards, Rhavda Mother of a future Marine Air Pilot who will graduate from the US Naval Academy on May 25, 2007. Semper Fi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Hi Rhavda, I can appreciate your position, although I do not agree with it. If an organization is not cleanly and honestly functioning at the top, no grass root regional efforts at the bottom will effectively pull the wool over people's eyes to hide the incompetency and/or malfeasance ongoing at the corporate level. If you recall, an attempt WAS made to rebuild from within NAHA. For re-edification and review for some who've been around the bend and to help newbies gain a little more insight, here are some facts. Industry-wide concern with the actions at NAHA resulted in a petition to investigate NAHA activities which was submitted to the IRS and state of Colorado where they are incorporated (written in terms referenced by the Colorado code and IRS rules that applied to each area of concern) and can be found at http://www.petitiononline.com/naha3666/petition.html This petition has been signed by 131 past members or would-be members and supporting affidavits for the allegations can be found at http://www.nahaexposed.org/ The discussions there has not been active in quite a while, and most of us have gone on to other things. Recently, there has been a behind-the-scenes discussion to see if there is a consensus to re-submit the petition since we have not seen necessary changes within NAHA even with a new slate of officers, and many feel that NAHA does not represent the highest standards of aromatherapy as it should, and the quality of services and publications has deteriorated. The petition itself languished at the state level when the head of the department ran for Congress. The IRS kept putting it down the priority list because of other badder fish to fry. Success this time around will depend on being more of a squeaky wheel, and the fact that there are more areas of concern or those items not corrected. Every petitioner will be contacted to voice their opinion with regard to re-submittal. I, personally, think that it would be a good idea as none of the concerns in the petition have been directly addressed by NAHA officers and suggestions for improvement/compliance have been ignored. A look at the NAHA website shows lots of suggestions for what the new administration had hoped to accomplish, but no real accomplishments in the form of an annual report has ever been sent to members nor posted on the website. They are still in violation of their own bylaws by not having a Treasurer and fiscal responsibility is still lacking (last fiscal report on web is 2001). This is but the tip of the iceberg. I agree with Butch and others that there is room for more than one informal gathering or formal organization or group. AIA has a different mission than NAHA and is more focused on medical aromatherapy. Aromatherapy Conference Tours was perhaps a too-ambitious effort that now appears to be stalled or defunct. Many have turned to their massage or spa organization for education and support for use of essential oils. Holistic Nurses Association is another formal organization that supports aromatherapy efforts, as do other alternative medical organizations. However, there is a void in comprehensive lobbying for 'true' aromatherapy and unencumbered use of aromatic materials, legislatively. The policies now being developed via Codex/EU and trickling down to IFRA and eventual implementation in the US because of the thrust of 'harmonization' should concern us and we may need to fight the regulations that might ensue. We may need a strong grassroots effort to lobby on our own behalf very soon, and time will tell if it will need to be formalized. I genuinely appreciate and applaud your local efforts, Rhavda, and I know that activities such as yours are happening around the country, oftentimes without NAHA's sanction or involvement. I strongly disagree, however, that you will be capable of effecting good changes within the organization itself with your local efforts. So long as members do not demand excellence of the leaders they elect, they will not achieve it. I also disagree that simply paying money into the organization (dues, etc.) will make an appreciable change for the better. I, too, would love to join everyone in Austin (or wherever) this year, however, hard to commit at this time. I'll keep watching . . . Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com http://www.aromaconnection.org " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2007 Report Share Posted April 11, 2007 Dear Marcia, Hi there! It's good to hear from you and to hear your views. I still believe that if enough people came together that many changes could be made within NAHA. I am still watching and make suggestions. I would like to see NAHA revived and grow again. It has been the only aromatherapy association, with the exception of AIA, in this country and until another group is formed then maybe we should take another look at making internal changes. Many people make complaints but when it comes right down to it, talk is all that is heard. Maybe you would like to start another aromatherapy association that is non controversial and that is strictly for aromatherapists and not for nurses or others included in other areas. I am not opposed to new groups. I would just like to keep the politics and personalities out of it. Personality clashes tend to destroy organizations more than anything else. I welcome new aromatherapy organizations but until I actually see one being formed (and can help in the process) I will have to stand back and watch the bashing from the sidelines. I do want to see AIA succeed or I wouldn't have joined it. I want to learn and know as much as I can about aromatherapy but I am not a nurse nor do I intend to go back to school at 57 years of age and become one. I bring this up because many of the people who are aromatherapists may have degrees or training in other areas which is not recognized by the nurses association or other specific professional groups. I feel that most of us want to learn and share and run our businesses at the local level without getting into the politics regardless of whether it is internal or external or coming from people who have had for one reason or another a disagreement with the current or past leaders. I basically stick to the people in my area of the world and this list for information. It would be nicer to be " told " of someone else's opinion within feeling as if one is being " jumped on " for nothing more than trying to do a good job in helping people learn about aromatherapy. What we really need in the world of aromatherapy is a successful aromatherapy organization and not people setting back waiting for the end of the organization rather than helping to put into place another organization that will fill the void and give options to people wanting to enter our field. I keep hearing people complain but no one really ready to step up to the plate and start a new organization and what you are suggesting is a new organization. Dr. Raphael D' Angelo and his wife and their group from the Denver, Colorado, have been the only ones to step up to the plate so far and try to create another aromatherapy organization for strictly aromatherapists that I know of. Maybe you and Butch could help bring people together and be at the helm of this new organization, I don't see how we could loose. You know more than most people about the problems that NAHA has had, so this new organization would not make the same mistakes and could take the place of NAHA. I would definitely be willing to help. I do like the idea of having a conference somewhere here in Texas. I think that we would all have a good time and learn a lot from each other. It would also give people a place to meet and figure out how to start another aromatherapy association if enough people are interested. I would also love to see you at this conference because of your knowledge and the historical input that you could contribute to keep others from making the same wrong mistakes. It would definitely be an interesting aromatherapy conference and fall would be the time to hold it. Summer in Texas is too hot to do anything. As for the Codex problem, I would like to see us all put aside our differences in different areas, especially NAHA, and work together. We have so many talented, wonderful, and opinionated people in our aromatherapy world that if we really joined together then we can make a difference and maybe, this proposed conference will make a difference by bringing together the people who set on the fence post and complain with the people who are actually out there doing the work and we can accomplish something. I stop here and look back at our own country's history because in looking at our own history we see that many regular people like us have always stepped up, spoken up and taken action when we needed people to be leaders. I think that maybe this group has the leaders that can take the lead rather than wait for others to follow. Take care. Have a great week! Be Well. Rhavda Original Message: ----------------- Marcia Elston samara Tue, 10 Apr 2007 18:04:55 -0700 RE: AT Conference - NAHA Hi Rhavda, I can appreciate your position, although I do not agree with it. If an organization is not cleanly and honestly functioning at the top, no grass root regional efforts at the bottom will effectively pull the wool over people's eyes to hide the incompetency and/or malfeasance ongoing at the corporate level. If you recall, an attempt WAS made to rebuild from within NAHA. For re-edification and review for some who've been around the bend and to help newbies gain a little more insight, here are some facts. Industry-wide concern with the actions at NAHA resulted in a petition to investigate NAHA activities which was submitted to the IRS and state of Colorado where they are incorporated (written in terms referenced by the Colorado code and IRS rules that applied to each area of concern) and can be found at http://www.petitiononline.com/naha3666/petition.html This petition has been signed by 131 past members or would-be members and supporting affidavits for the allegations can be found at http://www.nahaexposed.org/ The discussions there has not been active in quite a while, and most of us have gone on to other things. Recently, there has been a behind-the-scenes discussion to see if there is a consensus to re-submit the petition since we have not seen necessary changes within NAHA even with a new slate of officers, and many feel that NAHA does not represent the highest standards of aromatherapy as it should, and the quality of services and publications has deteriorated. The petition itself languished at the state level when the head of the department ran for Congress. The IRS kept putting it down the priority list because of other badder fish to fry. Success this time around will depend on being more of a squeaky wheel, and the fact that there are more areas of concern or those items not corrected. Every petitioner will be contacted to voice their opinion with regard to re-submittal. I, personally, think that it would be a good idea as none of the concerns in the petition have been directly addressed by NAHA officers and suggestions for improvement/compliance have been ignored. A look at the NAHA website shows lots of suggestions for what the new administration had hoped to accomplish, but no real accomplishments in the form of an annual report has ever been sent to members nor posted on the website. They are still in violation of their own bylaws by not having a Treasurer and fiscal responsibility is still lacking (last fiscal report on web is 2001). This is but the tip of the iceberg. I agree with Butch and others that there is room for more than one informal gathering or formal organization or group. AIA has a different mission than NAHA and is more focused on medical aromatherapy. Aromatherapy Conference Tours was perhaps a too-ambitious effort that now appears to be stalled or defunct. Many have turned to their massage or spa organization for education and support for use of essential oils. Holistic Nurses Association is another formal organization that supports aromatherapy efforts, as do other alternative medical organizations. However, there is a void in comprehensive lobbying for 'true' aromatherapy and unencumbered use of aromatic materials, legislatively. The policies now being developed via Codex/EU and trickling down to IFRA and eventual implementation in the US because of the thrust of 'harmonization' should concern us and we may need to fight the regulations that might ensue. We may need a strong grassroots effort to lobby on our own behalf very soon, and time will tell if it will need to be formalized. I genuinely appreciate and applaud your local efforts, Rhavda, and I know that activities such as yours are happening around the country, oftentimes without NAHA's sanction or involvement. I strongly disagree, however, that you will be capable of effecting good changes within the organization itself with your local efforts. So long as members do not demand excellence of the leaders they elect, they will not achieve it. I also disagree that simply paying money into the organization (dues, etc.) will make an appreciable change for the better. I, too, would love to join everyone in Austin (or wherever) this year, however, hard to commit at this time. I'll keep watching . . . Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com http://www.aromaconnection.org " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria -- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Marcia, It is always a pleasure to email with you. You have some very interesting opinions based on your previous experiences. I applaud your efforts for what you have done but I still believe that changes can be made within an organization with this often happenening after all of the original folks that got to bickering have left. I came at the end of this time so I still have hope. Call me an optimist but I do believe that some things can still be salvaged but that takes people and dedication to achieve these goals. Obviously you have completely left NAHA but you have not left the bad feelings behind with the group that created the problems. No organization is ever going to be perfect. There is always going to be politics and politics must be dealt with in one way or another. My original goal after I was politely told to either " put up, shut up or try to do something about it. " I chose to try to make a difference. I felt like that because we didn't have another aromatherapy organization than NAHA that we were better off with it than without it. I have been looking to see if others were willing to start another organization and so far all I have heard is NAHA bashing with no one willing to step up to the plate and take the reigns. This person needs to be nationally known and financially secure in their business. At this time I am neither and I am in the process of rebuilding my business after my Mother's death some time ago. We have a number of people who are well-known on a national level and could bring many people together. (I do not always agree with some of these people but I do support their right to free speech and I will support them for the betterment of the aromatherapy community. You and I don't always agree but I do value your response and I can always chose to disagree with your opinion.) I think that either you or Butch could easily put together an organization. You both are well-known, have good business skills, are excellent salespeople, and knowledgeable in putting together organizations. It will be interesting to see what happens as far as another aromatherapy organization being birthed. I hope to be able to contribute to this new organization as it is birthed. As for a conference here in Texas, and hopefully, Austin, I hope that it is not in the middle of our 100 degree summers. Again, fall is best or next spring for a conference and maybe, at that conference we can birth a new aromatherapy organization that you, Butch, myself, and others can feel pleased to join, guide, and develop into a lasting organization that is for everyone. As for disagreeing with you, I really only disagree in a couple of areas. I just don't like being told that there is nothing that we can do without even trying. We are each entitled to our own opinion and that is the beauty of having a dialogue such as this and living where we do live. Have a great evening! Email with you soon. Be well and happy. Rhavda Original Message: ----------------- Marcia Elston samara Tue, 10 Apr 2007 19:51:17 -0700 RE: AT Conference - NAHA Hi Rhavda, I can appreciate your position, although I do not agree with it. If an organization is not cleanly and honestly functioning at the top, no grass root regional efforts at the bottom will effectively pull the wool over people's eyes to hide the incompetency and/or malfeasance ongoing at the corporate level. If you recall, an attempt WAS made to rebuild from within NAHA. For re-edification and review for some who've been around the bend and to help newbies gain a little more insight, here are some facts. Industry-wide concern with the actions at NAHA resulted in a petition to investigate NAHA activities which was submitted to the IRS and state of Colorado where they are incorporated (written in terms referenced by the Colorado code and IRS rules that applied to each area of concern) and can be found at http://www.petitiononline.com/naha3666/petition.html This petition has been signed by 131 past members or would-be members and supporting affidavits for the allegations can be found at http://www.nahaexposed.org/ The discussions there has not been active in quite a while, and most of us have gone on to other things. Recently, there has been a behind-the-scenes discussion to see if there is a consensus to re-submit the petition since we have not seen necessary changes within NAHA even with a new slate of officers, and many feel that NAHA does not represent the highest standards of aromatherapy as it should, and the quality of services and publications has deteriorated. The petition itself languished at the state level when the head of the department ran for Congress. The IRS kept putting it down the priority list because of other badder fish to fry. Success this time around will depend on being more of a squeaky wheel, and the fact that there are more areas of concern or those items not corrected. Every petitioner will be contacted to voice their opinion with regard to re-submittal. I, personally, think that it would be a good idea as none of the concerns in the petition have been directly addressed by NAHA officers and suggestions for improvement/compliance have been ignored. A look at the NAHA website shows lots of suggestions for what the new administration had hoped to accomplish, but no real accomplishments in the form of an annual report has ever been sent to members nor posted on the website. They are still in violation of their own bylaws by not having a Treasurer and fiscal responsibility is still lacking (last fiscal report on web is 2001). This is but the tip of the iceberg. I agree with Butch and others that there is room for more than one informal gathering or formal organization or group. AIA has a different mission than NAHA and is more focused on medical aromatherapy. Aromatherapy Conference Tours was perhaps a too-ambitious effort that now appears to be stalled or defunct. Many have turned to their massage or spa organization for education and support for use of essential oils. Holistic Nurses Association is another formal organization that supports aromatherapy efforts, as do other alternative medical organizations. However, there is a void in comprehensive lobbying for 'true' aromatherapy and unencumbered use of aromatic materials, legislatively. The policies now being developed via Codex/EU and trickling down to IFRA and eventual implementation in the US because of the thrust of 'harmonization' should concern us and we may need to fight the regulations that might ensue. We may need a strong grassroots effort to lobby on our own behalf very soon, and time will tell if it will need to be formalized. I genuinely appreciate and applaud your local efforts, Rhavda, and I know that activities such as yours are happening around the country, oftentimes without NAHA's sanction or involvement. I strongly disagree, however, that you will be capable of effecting good changes within the organization itself with your local efforts. So long as members do not demand excellence of the leaders they elect, they will not achieve it. I also disagree that simply paying money into the organization (dues, etc.) will make an appreciable change for the better. I, too, would love to join everyone in Austin (or wherever) this year, however, hard to commit at this time. I'll keep watching . . . Be Well, Marcia Elston http://www.wingedseed.com http://www.aromaconnection.org " Give thanks for a little and you will find a lot. " Hausa Saying from Nigeria -- mail2web LIVE – Free email based on Microsoft® Exchange technology - http://link.mail2web.com/LIVE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Hi Rhavda first let me start off by saying that I hope that I was the one you felt jumping all over you. If it was, I apologize, that certainly wasn't my intention. With regards to NAHA, I was never a member. I was interested in becoming a member however when everything blew up and left a nasty taste in my mouth. I interviewed the then president of Naha for Aromatic sage and was dismayed at her answers (which is still up at the mag if you havent read it yet), actually disgusted would be more like it. One of the things that came out of the whole thing was NAHA's coziness with Young Living and the close ties they still enjoy. For my part, that taints the whole organization and I cannot see a time when I would reconsider becoming a member. As for a new org. There are a couple of people that are trying to become something. One of the main problems is apathy. People aren't willing to put themselves on the line. Also a lot of good folk out there just don't have the time to put into something like that. The at community is a fractured one. Folk cannot even agree on a definition for aromatherapy, let alone form a new association. The old one has lost the trust of the majority of figures who have any sort of influence in the community. I think it's going to be a while before there is anything that folk are willing to put their trust into again. K On 4/11/07, sos79 <sos79 wrote: > > . > > > -- Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen Http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2007 Report Share Posted April 12, 2007 Dear Kathleen, No, it was not you to whom I was referring to. I know your mo very well from being on several lists with you in the past. You get whatever is on your chest off your chest and that is it. I understand that and value you for your forthrightness and honesty. I can get just as upset and will say things too but I generally try to stop myself from being too tacky. That is one of the things that I like about this group that we can actually speak our minds and chose to disagree. As for the Young Living coziness this is the first that I have ever heard of this. I don't deal with YL and I don't encourage others to do so. I have met GY and I do not have a very good opinion of him but I am not as vocal as you are on the subject. I tend to get my point across in a quieter way. I understand our fractured aromatherapy community but if we are ever going to start another organization then why let the opportunity of this proposed Texas conference escape our use of it to create or to at least start the ball rolling toward a new organization? I keep hearing everyone say what a bad organization NAHA is but when given an opportunity to lay the groundwork for a new organization the same old apathy is given. All I am trying to do is to say is that we have to start somewhere and why not start at this conference unless you have a better idea? I am open to all ideas. I will even set up a table for signatures if people are interested at the conference because I intend to attend if I can. This way people can come together and create a new organization if they are willing to do so. I am willing to do something but I can't do it alone. This is where other people need to step up and agree to help. It won't be easy but it can and has been done. We need someone who knows how to put together a non-profit organization and give us some rules. Maybe Marcia can do that. We need someone who has a big mouth to spread the word and that can be many people. We need web sites to announce the formation of a new group. We need a super-salesman who can sell an igloo to an eskimo in the middle of the summer and sweet-talk the ladies like Butch. So why not start birthing a new organization right here, right now on this list? That way we all put up, shut up or live with the existing status quo? I bet that we chose to start a new organization. Chris will be the materal godmother, Marcia can be the mother, Butch the father, you and I can be sisters. That way we can have a win-win situation and all go back to being friends and not coming unglued over NAHA. We have to start somewhere, sometime, and someplace so why not now? What do you think, Kathleen? And if anyone else out there wants to help, please chime in. I know that we have many, wonderful, talented people on this list who can help birth this new organization so speak up. If we all contribute a little, the organization will be up and running before anyone realizes it and one day we will look back and laugh at all of our old emails. I love all of you because of who you are and what you stand for because without all of you this list would get boring fast. Love, Rhavda Original Message: ----------------- Kathleen Petrides WoobeyQueen Wed, 11 Apr 2007 17:24:17 -0700 Re: AT Conference - NAHA Hi Rhavda first let me start off by saying that I hope that I was the one you felt jumping all over you. If it was, I apologize, that certainly wasn't my intention. With regards to NAHA, I was never a member. I was interested in becoming a member however when everything blew up and left a nasty taste in my mouth. I interviewed the then president of Naha for Aromatic sage and was dismayed at her answers (which is still up at the mag if you havent read it yet), actually disgusted would be more like it. One of the things that came out of the whole thing was NAHA's coziness with Young Living and the close ties they still enjoy. For my part, that taints the whole organization and I cannot see a time when I would reconsider becoming a member. As for a new org. There are a couple of people that are trying to become something. One of the main problems is apathy. People aren't willing to put themselves on the line. Also a lot of good folk out there just don't have the time to put into something like that. The at community is a fractured one. Folk cannot even agree on a definition for aromatherapy, let alone form a new association. The old one has lost the trust of the majority of figures who have any sort of influence in the community. I think it's going to be a while before there is anything that folk are willing to put their trust into again. K On 4/11/07, sos79 <sos79 wrote: > > . > > > -- Cheers! Kathleen Petrides The Woobey Queen Http://www.woobeyworld.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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