Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Hey Ien .. other good folks .. I'm kinda puzzled at a lot of the comments that have been made since I posted the original post .. with the above subject. There appears to be some disagreement .. I think. But I'm not sure what the folks are disagreeing with. Is there some disagreement with what the retired generals are stating .. and if so .. is it because they are retired generals .. or because others have more information about international affairs and potential global conflicts than they do? > We already have areas of the world that are unstable: in the middle > east, in Africa, in middle and south America. People are already > leaving those areas now. So now they're going to blame it on global > warming? Who is " they " ? Is " they " the generals who are forecasting problems .. or the people who already live in refugee camps in the Mid East, in South and Central America .. and in Africa? > In some areas, like Darfur, overpopulation and climate > change is definitely a factor in the instability. Climate change is not what Darfur is all about .. its many wars with neighbors and many civil wars and about Janjaweed militias and three different rebel groups maiming, raping and killing Black Africans .. its about Arab supremacy over Black Africans. That is not the whole of the problems in Sudan .. but its the whole of the problems of those who are being slaughtered and who are dying of starvation daily. Sudan is the largest country in Africa with a population of 40 + million folks .. and a density of around 38 people per square mile .. and the Darfur Region is NOT overpopulated .. wasn't before and it certainly isn't now. The Darfur area is around 2/3 of the size of France and used to have a population of around 7 million though its hard to get a true fix on it because of the nomadic lifestyle of many in the area. Roughly half of that population has flown the coop .. around 75% of them to Chad and the rest are scattered out in refugee camps because they don't have the whatfor to make it to the border .. and sticking together both provides them a little bit of protection plus lets them go to the mess tent for handouts when they are available. Then there is the estimated 250,000 who have died at the hands of the Bad Guys. Overpopulation is not an problem except in the refugee camps. > Doris Lessing, who knows the region well, wrote years > ago that the real story was that Southern Africa is > drying up. Might be that it is drying up because the Sahara can only go one way ... but that has nothing to do with Sudan since its not in Southern Africa, its in the upper right hand corner on the Red Sea, bordered by Libya, Chad, Ethiopia and Egypt. And the real story in Africa is far more complicated than climate .. its about race and religion and borders being cut through traditional tribal lands and Colonialism coming in and then walking out and about dictators and ignorance and disease and all these kinda nice things. There is no way anyone can justify all the things that have happened in history, especially slavery .. but over the years I had a lotta discussions with Black Army Officers who recognized that the suffering of their ancestors gave them the opportunity to live a much better life than 99% of those who are living in Africa Below the Sahara today. I have spent a fair amount of time in Africa .. above and below the Sahara and along the Indian Ocean .. I have yet to see ONE country where the people (other than Generals and Politicans) lived a happy, healthy, prosperous life! Africa Below The Sahara has been in deep kimchi for a hundred years or so and since World War I its been a basket case. For humanitarian and political reasons (and guilt by some European countries) various piddly amounts of aid are thrown at Africa from time to time but nobody really expects much from that area .. now or later. One of the hard realities of life is that everybody is NOT equal .. it depends much on where they are born. But desperate folks have nothing to lose .. so count on those living in lands that are classifed as " basket cases " to stir the crap in years to come .. and all the crap they stir might not be in their own back yard. In my parents time nobody would have ever guessed that there would be Islamic Terrorists running all over the place trying to blow themselves and others to smithereens. If it were not for Oil .. and Israel .. the Western World (except those few who were seeking a cause) would not care if the Arabs killed each other and refused their women equal rights and such .. the same goes for Africa. The West (and most of Africa) has stood by and watched millions of folks be slaughtered over the years in various African conflicts .. they watched because there was not much they could do. Those who don't want to accept the forecast of Wars for Water might oughta do a bit more research .. unless truth upsets them. The fact of man killing man for water is far more likely than is the hypothesis that man is responsible for Global Warming. And it really matters not who or waht is responsible .. even if its Mama Nature we can bet our last buck that there will be folks killing folks for water some day; we even have a history of doing that in the USA. > Ien in the Kootenays > http://freegreenliving.com Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2007 Report Share Posted April 24, 2007 Those who don't want to accept the forecast of Wars for Water might oughta do a bit more research .. [Dave:] Butch, your comments are always a breath of fresh air. You have experience in parts of the world most of us never see (and certainly don’t learn squat about by watching the networks) – and your common sense and sober judgment are priceless as far as I’m concerned. (I was gonna say they’re worth the price of admission for sure...then I realized I got in for free). I get up early and try to check the international press – Al Jazeera, the Hindu Group, Jerusalem Post, der Spiegel, The Independent – and try to get a sense of what’s going on (besides no doubt getting flagged by Homeland Security for my reading habits). I’ve come to depend on your outlook on the areas you know so well to give me background for the headlines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Well I have to tell ye that in my area there are STRICT water restrictions in place and the laws guiding usage are about to become permanent and mandatory. South Florida is running out of water so I have no doubt that Wars for Water are a part of the future. Butch Owen <butchbsi wrote: Hey Ien .. other good folks .. I'm kinda puzzled at a lot of the comments that have been made since I posted the original post .. with the above subject. There appears to be some disagreement .. I think. But I'm not sure what the folks are disagreeing with. Is there some disagreement with what the retired generals are stating .. and if so .. is it because they are retired generals .. or because others have more information about international affairs and potential global conflicts than they do? > We already have areas of the world that are unstable: in the middle > east, in Africa, in middle and south America. People are already > leaving those areas now. So now they're going to blame it on global > warming? Who is " they " ? Is " they " the generals who are forecasting problems .. or the people who already live in refugee camps in the Mid East, in South and Central America .. and in Africa? > In some areas, like Darfur, overpopulation and climate > change is definitely a factor in the instability. Climate change is not what Darfur is all about .. its many wars with neighbors and many civil wars and about Janjaweed militias and three different rebel groups maiming, raping and killing Black Africans .. its about Arab supremacy over Black Africans. That is not the whole of the problems in Sudan .. but its the whole of the problems of those who are being slaughtered and who are dying of starvation daily. Sudan is the largest country in Africa with a population of 40 + million folks .. and a density of around 38 people per square mile .. and the Darfur Region is NOT overpopulated .. wasn't before and it certainly isn't now. The Darfur area is around 2/3 of the size of France and used to have a population of around 7 million though its hard to get a true fix on it because of the nomadic lifestyle of many in the area. Roughly half of that population has flown the coop .. around 75% of them to Chad and the rest are scattered out in refugee camps because they don't have the whatfor to make it to the border .. and sticking together both provides them a little bit of protection plus lets them go to the mess tent for handouts when they are available. Then there is the estimated 250,000 who have died at the hands of the Bad Guys. Overpopulation is not an problem except in the refugee camps. > Doris Lessing, who knows the region well, wrote years > ago that the real story was that Southern Africa is > drying up. Might be that it is drying up because the Sahara can only go one way .. but that has nothing to do with Sudan since its not in Southern Africa, its in the upper right hand corner on the Red Sea, bordered by Libya, Chad, Ethiopia and Egypt. And the real story in Africa is far more complicated than climate .. its about race and religion and borders being cut through traditional tribal lands and Colonialism coming in and then walking out and about dictators and ignorance and disease and all these kinda nice things. There is no way anyone can justify all the things that have happened in history, especially slavery .. but over the years I had a lotta discussions with Black Army Officers who recognized that the suffering of their ancestors gave them the opportunity to live a much better life than 99% of those who are living in Africa Below the Sahara today. I have spent a fair amount of time in Africa .. above and below the Sahara and along the Indian Ocean .. I have yet to see ONE country where the people (other than Generals and Politicans) lived a happy, healthy, prosperous life! Africa Below The Sahara has been in deep kimchi for a hundred years or so and since World War I its been a basket case. For humanitarian and political reasons (and guilt by some European countries) various piddly amounts of aid are thrown at Africa from time to time but nobody really expects much from that area .. now or later. One of the hard realities of life is that everybody is NOT equal .. it depends much on where they are born. But desperate folks have nothing to lose .. so count on those living in lands that are classifed as " basket cases " to stir the crap in years to come .. and all the crap they stir might not be in their own back yard. In my parents time nobody would have ever guessed that there would be Islamic Terrorists running all over the place trying to blow themselves and others to smithereens. If it were not for Oil .. and Israel .. the Western World (except those few who were seeking a cause) would not care if the Arabs killed each other and refused their women equal rights and such .. the same goes for Africa. The West (and most of Africa) has stood by and watched millions of folks be slaughtered over the years in various African conflicts .. they watched because there was not much they could do. Those who don't want to accept the forecast of Wars for Water might oughta do a bit more research .. unless truth upsets them. The fact of man killing man for water is far more likely than is the hypothesis that man is responsible for Global Warming. And it really matters not who or waht is responsible .. even if its Mama Nature we can bet our last buck that there will be folks killing folks for water some day; we even have a history of doing that in the USA. > Ien in the Kootenays > http://freegreenliving.com Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com Ahhh...imagining that irresistible " new car " smell? Check outnew cars at Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2007 Report Share Posted April 25, 2007 Here is an interesting article concerning the water issue I came across this morning. I'm on dial-up, so I'm a little behind everyone else in posting, so if someone else has already mentioned this article, I apologize for the repetition. Fighting The Corporate Theft of Our Water. http://www.alternet.org/envirohealth/50994/ Have a good day. Sunny (maybe all day!) and 54degrees F in Cornelius, Oregon. Melissa Honest Herbs Farm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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