OT: Trouble in Turkey - Trouble in the World

[Guest guest]

Hi Laurie,

 

> Hi Butch,

>

> I don't think any US Military person would entertain the thought of

> actually staging a take over, as they know this is not something the

> public would stand for. We have a wonderful way of changing of

> changing our CinC when it is apparent that we are being led in the

> wrong direction, and I don't think anyone wants to change that.

 

Agree .. its out of the question as long as we have another wonderful

way of changing things. ;-)

 

> When I mentioned the Generals, what we are hearing is that their

> knowledge and experience is being discounted and ignored. They are

> very distressed at how things are disintegrating in Iraq, and are

> worried that their men are being hurt and killed because of decisions

> that are being made for political reasons and not sound military

> reasons.

 

Some say that .. others disagree .. some who are retired agree or

disagree .. folks I talk with and folks who talk to their counterpart

generals agree and others disagree. Retired generals are human ..

they choose to be Republicans or Democrats .. and choose to lean a tad

left or right of center. Retired LTG Odom .. who blasted Bush in a

speech and admitted that it was done as the request of Pelosi .. I

believe he was disgruntled long before Iraq went down .. we can not

know how one thinks if they did not get another star but believed they

deserved it.

 

My opinion .. the war is NOT being fought by the book! Op Plans were

available as contingencies .. just needed a bit of polishing to fit

the scenario .. they are gathering dust. Those who are sticklers for

details won't like that .. those into big time flexible ops will like

it. The Iraqi government is corrupt and ineffective .. and there is

something like a " civil war " going down. Its very difficult to fight

alongside folks like that. There must be a political solution that

involves other countries in the Middle East .. countries that are now

playing both sides while they walk on egg shells due to fear of their

own people. Not a good scene .. and that is frustrating to all the

professionals military leaders.

 

> Our biggest threat right now is the apathy that seems to infect about

> 1/2 our population. If this election gets nasty enough it might just

> shake up the people and get them off of their duffs and into the

> polling places.

 

That is a problem .. but my opinion is that our biggest threat is not

from inside America. As you said .. we have ways of changing our own

dirty laundry .. and our politicians.

 

> I agree that our choices seem pretty slim, most of them if the truth

> be told, scare me half to death. Most of the Republicans keep rattling

> on about Iran, and the Democrats all seem to want to precipitously

> pull out and keep harping on Global Warming. I have not found one

> candidate yet that I could really get behind.

 

Y'all saw the poll on issues I sent to the list last week .. watch all

the folks gravitate toward those issues .. that's normal. But those

who don't have to gravitate too far .. who have already made it clear

they are concerned about those issues .. might even be honest folks. ;-)

 

> There was one guy in the Republican debate that surprised me and made

> me sit up and take notice. That is Ron Paul, but he is so different

> that I am not sure he would ever have real chance. He could end up

> being surprising if he can get enough support behind him. Right now

> the mainstream media seems to be making a concerted effort to ignore

> him, in the hope probably that he will fade away.

 

Too early now I think .. and happy I am that I will be able to watch

it a bit closer when I return to the USA. I will mention that I do

not agree with Dave on this so-called " fix " . How the heck do we get

both the left leaning and right leaning media to agree to a fix? And

how far does someone have to stick their neck out to coordinate such

actions. The world of conspiracy might be intriguing but it can also

cause one to unnecessarily lose a lot of sleep.

 

> We were watching the French elections very carefully and I must we

> were a bit surprised at how it turned out. But at least Mr Sarkozy

> seems that he will be firm but fair. It will be interesting to see if

> he is strong enough to hold together all the factions in his country.

 

Gonna be interesting for sure. The first thing that went down on CNN

International was an interview with the Islamic Chairman of some

French group .. who said they were not satisfied with the election.

My first thought was .. " Hey dude .. folks voted .. nobody promised

you would be satisfied with the results. Were you satisfied with

politics in the country you escaped from when you came to France? "

 

I reckon we need to shy away from domestic politics a bit .. if not it

will start a thread. ;-) The intent in reporting on what is going

down in Turkey is a bit different in that Turkey is the ONLY Secular

and Democratic country in the world with a Moslem population .. for 80

+ years they have shown that Islam does not have to dictate the daily

life style of a people .. religion can live alongside elected

government. So any challenges to that status is significant for the

world .. not just for Turkey. But I think we can count on not seeing

changes.

 

Different subject .. folks oughta think hard on maybe going to the Sun

Conference in Austin .. gonna be a lotta fun fer'shur. :-P

 

> Laurie

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch

 

>>Today there were over 200,000 Turks rallying in Izmir in protest of

>>the present Moslem government.

[Guest guest]

I will mention that I do

not agree with Dave on this so-called " fix " . How the heck do we get

both the left leaning and right leaning media to agree to a fix?

 

[Dave:] I don’t know the answer to how. I do know that if we cannot trust

our media to even deliver the news, much less present it honestly and

without bias, there’s a reason. I mentioned three major news items that

have not even been mentioned in the mainstream news. All three of them are

being reported on in depth on the Internet, but most folks are still naïve

enough to believe what the talking heads at six o’clock tell them. Three

major news stories. Not a word in the commercial, mainstream media. That’s

not some kind of a fix?

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Rob Paul is not a Republican in real life but Libertarian. That is why he got

your attention. He runs R to get elected in Texas. Yes, he grabs attention,

no, not enough to be elected president except by an act of " god " and Bush

already did that.

 

Karen

 

 

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David Lambert

 

5/14/2007 12:12:30 AM

RE: Re: OT: Trouble in Turkey - Trouble in the World

 

 

There was one guy in the Republican debate that surprised me and made

me sit up and take notice. That is Ron Paul, but he is so different

that I am not sure he would ever have real chance.

 

[Dave:] Nearly 75% in one poll supported Ron Paul after the debate. Not

one mainstream paper or news service has picked up the story. The fix is

already in motion.

 

 

 

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