I need help with a messed up batch of hot proccess soap.

[Guest guest]

I made some hot process soap and I don't think I did it correctly. It got all

hard

in the pot and there was still some zing to it. I added water and ground fresh

bergamot leaves and flowers. I whipped the water and the bergamot up and I

thought it it whipped up pretty good. There are small clumps that are not

colored from the bergamot. I poured it all into a wooden mold. Because of

whipping it up and adding thewater I think the volume increase, I like that part

and I also like that it is light brown speckled with, cream, and flecks from the

bergamot. It is soft though, and two days later not hardly any zing if at all. I

just

cut the soap up and it is supper crumbly. Should I re-batch or will it firm up

and hold together?

[Guest guest]

without being able to double-check your recipe (lye/oil ratio) and how

much water you added to try to remedy it , makes it hard to verify what

went wrong or whether or not you should rebatch. Crumbly is a different

texture than being too soft to hold together, but could be caused by how

much leaves & flowers you added.

Sorry I couldn't help you out more.

Shelley

 

Abby Treyce wrote:

> I made some hot process soap and I don't think I did it correctly. It got all

hard

> in the pot and there was still some zing to it. I added water and ground fresh

> bergamot leaves and flowers.

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you for your reply, I really apriciate it. I have this this is the recipi

I

used, maybe you can tell me what you think with this.

 

Coconut Oil 14oz

Olive Oil 17oz

Palm Kernel Oil 14oz

Palm Oil 14oz

Soybean Oil 51.05oz

Lye 16oz

Water 39.5oz

 

It got too solid so I wipped it and added 1/2 cup milk and 1/2 cup water.

 

1/4 to 1/2 cup Ground Fresh Bergamont leaves and flowers, ground in a

coffee grinder added when I added the extra water and milk.

 

Sents used were Amber and Gardina

 

 

 

 

, Shelley <bbubbles wrote:

>

> without being able to double-check your recipe (lye/oil ratio) and how

> much water you added to try to remedy it , makes it hard to verify what

> went wrong or whether or not you should rebatch. Crumbly is a different

> texture than being too soft to hold together, but could be caused by how

> much leaves & flowers you added.

> Sorry I couldn't help you out more.

> Shelley

>

> Abby Treyce wrote:

> > I made some hot process soap and I don't think I did it correctly. It got

all

hard

> > in the pot and there was still some zing to it. I added water and ground

fresh

> > bergamot leaves and flowers.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, " Abby Treyce " <abbytreyce

wrote:

I have this this is the recipi I

> used, maybe you can tell me what you think with this.

>

> Coconut Oil 14oz

> Olive Oil 17oz

> Palm Kernel Oil 14oz

> Palm Oil 14oz

> Soybean Oil 51.05oz

> Lye 16oz

> Water 39.5oz

>

Hi Abby,

I ran your recipe through The Sage's calculator, and it showed your

lye amount to be excessive. For a 6% excess fat, it suggested 15.18 lye.

At 0% excess fat the amount would be 16.15.

 

You could try reheating your soap in the pot til it's soft, work some

extra oils into it, and cook again. I cook mine for 21/2 hours at 180

degrees. Soap should be transparent when it's done. Did you bring it

to full trace before cooking?

Good luck,

Linda P

[Guest guest]

According to my lye calculator, you did a 0% superfatted recipe, meaning

that there would me no excess oils left after saponification. IMHO you

should rebatch adding at least 6-8 oz of superfatting oil....I would use

a harder oil or butter to do this...

A recipe with this much soybean oil will appear to be soft for quite a

while as well..... even hot processed.

Shelley

 

Abby Treyce wrote:

> Thank you for your reply, I really apriciate it. I have this this is the

recipi I

> used, maybe you can tell me what you think with this.

>

> Coconut Oil 14oz

> Olive Oil 17oz

> Palm Kernel Oil 14oz

> Palm Oil 14oz

> Soybean Oil 51.05oz

> Lye 16oz

> Water 39.5oz

>

> It got too solid so I wipped it and added 1/2 cup milk and 1/2 cup water.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Amber wrote:

Thank you for your reply, I really apriciate it. I have this this is the

recipi I

used, maybe you can tell me what you think with this.

 

Coconut Oil 14oz

Olive Oil 17oz

Palm Kernel Oil 14oz

Palm Oil 14oz

Soybean Oil 51.05oz

Lye 16oz

Water 39.5oz

 

It got too solid so I wipped it and added 1/2 cup milk and 1/2 cup

water. 1/4 to 1/2 cup Ground Fresh Bergamont leaves and flowers, ground

in a coffee grinder added when I added the extra water and milk.

 

MY REPLY:

First of all did you use liquid or solid soy? Solid soy will set up

pretty quick in high amounts.

Second the amt. of lye made for less then 1% superfat. This may account

for the " zing " .

To be on the safe side I'd suggest a 3-5% superfat.

Were the flowers/leaves fresh or dried? If you used fresh that may

cause mold.

All we ever use are dried herbs and or flowers.

 

--

Best,

 

Bobbi Guerra

The Purple Sage ~ Bath & Body

http://www.thepurplesage.com

[Guest guest]

Thank you everyone for your advice. I used crisco for the soy bean oil. I read

somewhere that you can use up to 50% soy bean oil without a problem, but I

must have missed the small print.

 

I used fresh leaves and flowers, I never thought of the possibility of mold. It

is

a lot of soap to though out, but it is also a lot of soap to use before the

leaves

mold. If I grate the soap and spread it out on baking sheats in the sun or a

warm oven the leaves would probably dry out as well as the soap. Then

maybe I could re-batch, or would the soap then be to dry to rebatch? I do dry

it out how much water should I then add, or should it still be milk? Is there

anything else I could do to save this soap, make liquid soap maybe, and if so

how?

 

Renee

 

 

 

 

, Bobbi <herbalsoaplady wrote:

>

> Amber wrote:

> Thank you for your reply, I really apriciate it. I have this this is the

> recipi I

> used, maybe you can tell me what you think with this.

>

> Coconut Oil 14oz

> Olive Oil 17oz

> Palm Kernel Oil 14oz

> Palm Oil 14oz

> Soybean Oil 51.05oz

> Lye 16oz

> Water 39.5oz

>

> It got too solid so I wipped it and added 1/2 cup milk and 1/2 cup

> water. 1/4 to 1/2 cup Ground Fresh Bergamont leaves and flowers, ground

> in a coffee grinder added when I added the extra water and milk.

>

> MY REPLY:

> First of all did you use liquid or solid soy? Solid soy will set up

> pretty quick in high amounts.

> Second the amt. of lye made for less then 1% superfat. This may account

> for the " zing " .

> To be on the safe side I'd suggest a 3-5% superfat.

> Were the flowers/leaves fresh or dried? If you used fresh that may

> cause mold.

> All we ever use are dried herbs and or flowers.

>

> --

> Best,

>

> Bobbi Guerra

> The Purple Sage ~ Bath & Body

> http://www.thepurplesage.com

>

[Guest guest]

Hey gang,

 

Interrupting because I have to know (having never made soap) -- what is

" zing " ?

 

Thanks,

Susan F.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

, " Abby Treyce " <abbytreyce

wrote:

>

> I made some hot process soap and I don't think I did it correctly.

It got all hard

> in the pot and there was still some zing to it. I added water and

ground fresh

> bergamot leaves and flowers. I whipped the water and the bergamot up

and I

> thought it it whipped up pretty good. There are small clumps that

are not

-------------------------

A fully cooked soap should not have any zing at all. After two days a

hot process soap should not have any zing. It sounds lye heavy, and

water would not help that.

[Guest guest]

Zing refers to the type of " bite " that you can feel when you touch some

soap to your tongue.... If your soap is properly done and cooked or

cured, and the recipe is balanced (not lye heavy), then it would just

taste like soap, not have a zing or zappy " taste " .

HTH

Shelley

 

Susan Gerritsen wrote:

> Hey gang,

>

> Interrupting because I have to know (having never made soap) -- what is

> " zing " ?

>