Inhalation vs Absorption of EO ** Was Question - ugh! ;-)

[Guest guest]

Hey Susan,

 

Hi Butch,

>

> Sorry for the confusion -- here's what happened: Katchinaherbs posted the

> original question, you answered it under a different subject, and I

> answered

> it under the original subject, so I was responding to the original, not to

>

> you. I read this group on gmail (not ), and you posted while I was in

> " compose " mode, so I couldn't see the inbox, or I might not have responded

> at all. I only answered b/c no one else had yet (according to my mail

> client).

>

 

Understood fer'shur and all is well. :-)

 

As for Gmail .. I also am d to the Group using Gmail and I just

learned something new regarding this system .. thanks Liz. :-) Though I

have another NEW email address and am slowly phasing it in for business

only .. I have stayed with Gmail because I was testing the Spam effects of

being a list member. After using Superonline for years while in

Turkey I found that I was getting 500 + emails a day with an average of 85%

or more of them being Spam .. meaning, the Spammers have a system to quickly

capture email addresses from News Groups .. I had to use MailWasher (a

great free system) to eliminate the Spam but when I traveled my Post Office

Box would fill with Spam and then start bouncing legitimate emails. Gmail

does a pretty fair job of segregating Spam from what it sees as legit mail

... but the point is (after all this humma-humma) that my other email address

is getting NO Spam now and I assume its because I'm not using it to post to

the News Groups. ;-)

 

As for Subject Lines .. I changed it for the reasons I wrote a couple of

weeks ago .. and the List Mama has now posted that information as Policy ..

its at

http://health.AA%20-%20List%20Rules%\

20/

listed under Netiquette Policy on Subject Lines. It would certainly help us

all if folks followed that policy. :-)

 

 

 

> I think it was a great question, for newbies AND for those of us who

> sometimes get so involved in intricacies that we lose sight of the big

> picture!! (that's ME that I'm talking about here And I was jazzed

> when I realized that I could answer it! BUT, I would have been very

> surprised if I thought the question had come from you, since I consider

> you

> (and many others on this list) to be much more authoritative than me, on

> the

> topic of essential oils.

>

 

Understand for sure and thanks for the kind words. :-) Learning occurs on

this and any other News Group when questions are asked .. and folks should

NEVER EVER hesitate to ask questions because odds are great that many other

folks have the same question. I wish folks would ask more questions .. and

make the question to the point. They're easier to answer then and the

answer will help to avoid confusion. Sometimes, folks who have been around

the lists for a while see a broad question that has no simple answer .. and

to answer it in a manner that will not confuse new folks .. and that will

lead to more learning .. the one answering will try to guess what sub

questions are underlying .. and then try to give an outline of the entire

system by also answering those sub questions that were not asked. ;-)

True it is that the intricacies and mechanics of how AT and EO work (s) can

sometimes get in the way of learning the basics. We gotta teach and learn

the basics afore we take on some of the more complicated details. It's

like .. " How does one eat an elephant? " The answer is .. " Slowly .. one

bite at a time. " ;-)

 

Also .. one don't gotta know the workings of an internal combustion

engine to pass a Driver's License Exam. ;-)

 

As for knowing more about EO than you .. maybe .. my focus is not on Blends

and Notes and such .. I don't do blends or perfume, etc., and truly believe

use of EO in AT can be as effective using a couple of oils as cocktail as it

can be in a complicated blend .. so the only Notes I am concerned with are

Bank Notes and Mortgage Notes. ;-) I completed both Sylla's and Martin's

AT Correspondence Courses, but I don't claim to be .. and don't want to be

... known as an Aromatherapist. In all the years I have been on the News

Groups nobody has ever seen me answer questions in that regard. The

reason I don't care to get involved is because aside from the issues of

Safety (which I do write on). AT is very subjective. Unless one is putting

out unsafe information there are few TOTALLY right or wrong answers .. but

when we get into the mechanics and/or safety aspects of AT there is little

room for subjectivity .. and when we get into the profiling or chemical

compositions of EO there is absolutely NO room for subjectivity. So .. you

and Kachina and many others probably know a lot more about many aspects

of EO use than I know now or ever wil know. ;-)

 

 

> To totally, completely, absolutely clear up any confusion, I've got no

> agenda or political leanings or alliances or WTF-ever when it comes to

> inhalation vs. absorption. I'm about science, not " belief " when it comes

> to

> tangible facts. So I just wanted to make sure someone explained that

> chemicals can enter the bloodstream thru inhalation, whether we " smell "

> them

> or not.

>

 

Understood fer'shur Susan .. and unless I am confusing you with someone else

... I think you posted not long ago that you are a chemist.

 

As for the issue of Absorption vs Inhalation .. the only " agenda " I might

have .. for lack of a better word ;-) .. is bringing folks around from

false beliefs based on hype marketing .. to tangible facts that can be

backed up by at least some science. This not only helps them to avoid

irritation and worse, sensitization .. but it also saves them money and

helps them to be better able to evaluate sources of information .. and

sources of supply. When a company routinely uses false information to

peddle products, buyers need to be able to recognize that if they are doing

this .. and that they are either liars or they don't know the business .. or

a combination of the two. Either of these motives is reason enough to

avoid them.

 

Back to sense of smell vs effects of chemicals (and many other things) that

enter the body .. I might be oversimplifying it by saying that smell is a

sense .. and if one has lost their sense of smell that simply means that

they have lost their ability to recognize, classify or categorize an odor ..

but the chemical compound that causes the odor will still affect them ..

matters not whether they know its there or not. Carvacrol (for example)

will kick Big Bad Bug Butts for one who has no sense of smell as it will for

one who has an acute sense of smell. Though its sorta a different variable

... a bullet in the brain will waste someone who is awake and sees it coming

just as it will someone who is asleep when it happens. ;-)

 

 

> Never intended to offend.

>

 

I honestly didn't read or accept your post as being one intended to offend

and I sho'nuf didn't take it in such a manner. If I came across otherwise

I apologize. I'm not as sociable on line as I am off line .. and not as

sociable off line sometimes as I am off line after I've had a few beers or a

tad or three of Jack Daniels Gentleman Jack .. then I can become a first

class Charismatic Idjit. ;-)

 

I mighta been a bit more direct than usual when I answered the post

yesterday around 5:30 AM or so .. got up early (for me) yesterday morning

and hit the road around 7:30 for a trip to Ft. Campbell .. around 120 miles

round trip) to deal with bureaucrats and it was as bad as I expected it to

be .. got a new retired US Army ID Card and though I've never been called

photogenic, the photo on this one even scares me.

Thinking of enlarging it and using it in my garden next Spring. I was

frowning big time .. corners of the mouth turned down and that made the

mustache look longer. Any of those Hollywood folks see it and odds are

they'll call me up if they decide to do a remake of " The Good, The Bad

and The Ugly. " ;-) After dealing with the bureaucrats we spent around 3

hours in the PX then that much time again in the Commissary .. then 30

minutes or so in the Class VI .. many of y'all know what that is .. then

the drive home .. 10 hours from start to finish and butts were dragging.

;-)

 

Right after I answered you and Kathleen I put Alexander on his new 12'

bicycle (with 2 training wheels) and played a bit with him. Gonna skip the

tricycle bit .. and show folks that an 18 month old boy is not too young for

a bike. ;-) Then he sacked out and I retired to my patio with a few 24

ounce Tecate's, watched deer feeding in the field beside the house, let my

hummingbirds buzz me a while .. and thought of what a rat race this EO

business is. Like Marge often says .. something like .. those of us in

the business often wonder why we're not selling mousetraps .. or

something like that. ;-)

 

Gonna plant three Blackberry bushes and a buncha Tulip bulbs today .. and

clean leaves outta the gutters. Dang .. I reckon I get off'n the subject

now and then. ;-)

 

 

> Susan

>

 

Y'all have a good one .. and keep smiling. :-)

 

Butch .. http://www.AV-AT.com

 

 

> On 9/20/07, Butch Owen <butchowen <butchowen%40gmail.com>>

> wrote:

> >

> > Howdy Susan,

> >

> > I think you confused my post with the original writer's post .. I didn't

> > describe anything .. least ways didn't try to. ;-) What I was addressing

> > was:

> >

> > > If it's electrical signals, why does research show the the beneficial

> > > constituents in the bloodstream?

> >

> > And the fact that an answer when there was no question might probably

> > confuse some new folks. ;-)

> >

> > reading between the lines (due to lack of a question being replied to)

> of

> > the original post .. I saw it as getting into the confusion of

> absorption

> > vs inhalation .. and maybe even dancing around wanting to justify

> > absorption .. so I wanted to show how and why the chemicals get from the

>

> > sniffer to the lights and then into the bloodstream. :-)

> <Snip>

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 07:36 AM 9/22/2007, Butch wrote:

>Like Marge often says .. something like .. those of us in

>the business often wonder why we're not selling mousetraps .. or

>something like that. ;-)

 

it's can-openers, dear... can-openers.

 

or, of course, widgets

 

and the reason we aren't is that about once a week or so we'll get a

message from a client showing a way that we really really really made a

difference in someone's quality of life... so we go on dealing with all

the downsides because ... it's worth it.

 

 

 

 

 

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