Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Ok, this is getting too much, I haven't read the Chicago Times newspaper, but my inbox is over flowing today with news that school districts in Oak Lawn, Illinois, are considering banning holiday traditions that are offensive to Muslims. The decisions will be made in the next few weeks and will be rendered by the principals of five Ridgeland schools. You know I checked it out through snopes and then I thought THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE, sadly, it's not. read about it here: http://www.tothecenter.com/news.php?readmore=3220 or google it. OH MY GOD, What is going on in this world????? Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 What's so bad about banning Christmas? It's not a real holiday anyway as it's misrepresented. But let's ban the Muslim holidays also. FAir is fair. War is about religion anyway and why are we fighting over gods that don't exist? Karen - Carol 10/12/2007 11:30:21 AM O/T... Banning Christmas Ok, this is getting too much, I haven't read the Chicago Times newspaper, but my inbox is over flowing today with news that school districts in Oak Lawn, Illinois, are considering banning holiday traditions that are offensive to Muslims. The decisions will be made in the next few weeks and will be rendered by the principals of five Ridgeland schools. You know I checked it out through snopes and then I thought THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE, sadly, it's not. read about it here: http://www.tothecenter.com/news.php?readmore=3220 or google it. OH MY GOD, What is going on in this world????? Carol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I agree. Seperation of church and state is a good thing. Christmas is a religous holiday. If folks are only into the holiday for the gift giving and as a family tradition then keep it that way. Celebrate it in your home and stores can still market to you for gift giving just like they do for Halloween, Valentine's Day, etc. So, that reminds me....list mama....where's your soaps? Dale The people who make a difference are not the ones with the credentials, but the ones with the concern. ~ Max Lucado Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 The war really isn't about religion. It's about fear. plain and simple. Fear that whatever is going to overtake whatever, fear that we're not going to have enough whatever if whoever we depend on for whatever is going to be a moron. Life is not fair. We do not celebrate muslim holidays because we are not a muslim nation. We are a nation that was built on the errant Idea of religious freedom. Unfortunately the founding fathers didn't put in the constitution that It doesn't matter what the heck the religion is we should be tolerant of it. Even if it goes against our finer senses. As long as they do not perpetrate harm on anybody... Fear causes anger and other stupid issues. Until we look at all people as equals rather than us and them will we understand that it is okay for anyone to celebrate whatever holidays they want to as long as they do not do it to maliciously exclude someone and or kill anyone or anything doing it. Just because someone doesn't celebrate your holiday with you doesn't mean that they hate you. It may mean that they are not aware it exists and that can be remedied by being polite. And just because you don't believe in something doesn't mean it shouldn't be celebrated. That would mean that we would no longer have an excuse to celebrate. Which face it... Americans Need to celebrate something...Because we are as a society (in general) a bunch of pent up whiney ass babies that think the world revolves around us and we need to get our heads out of our hineys once in a while so we celebrate. When in reality we're like fleas on the back of a huge dog who is about to shirk us off really soon. She may not get us all, but there will be a massive amount of flea death in that one big shirk. The point is not to get rid of, but to incorporate. Make it a social studies project for heaven sakes. That way. Everybody gets to celebrate the way they want to.... with out fear of what anybody else thinks... Jennifer ksellars wrote: > > What's so bad about banning Christmas? It's not a real holiday anyway > as it's misrepresented. But let's ban the Muslim holidays also. FAir > is fair. > War is about religion anyway and why are we fighting over gods that > don't exist? > > Karen > > - > Carol > > <%40> > 10/12/2007 11:30:21 AM > O/T... Banning Christmas > > Ok, this is getting too much, I haven't read the Chicago Times > newspaper, but my inbox is over flowing today with news that school > districts in Oak Lawn, Illinois, are considering banning holiday > traditions that are offensive to Muslims. The decisions will be made in > the next few weeks and will be rendered by the principals of five > Ridgeland schools. You know I checked it out through snopes and then I > thought THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE, sadly, it's not. > > read about it here: http://www.tothecenter.com/news.php?readmore=3220 > <http://www.tothecenter.com/news.php?readmore=3220> or > google it. > > OH MY GOD, What is going on in this world????? > > Carol > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 This caught my eye so I did a little Googling. Turns out the board did decide to keep the holidays in the schools and to include Ramadan. Here's the article: http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_271104049.html HTH, Serra On 10/12/07, Carol <cjpearce wrote: > > Ok, this is getting too much, I haven't read the Chicago Times > newspaper, but my inbox is over flowing today with news that school > districts in Oak Lawn, Illinois, are considering banning holiday > traditions that are offensive to Muslims. The decisions will be made in > the next few weeks and will be rendered by the principals of five > Ridgeland schools. You know I checked it out through snopes and then I > thought THIS HAS TO BE A JOKE, sadly, it's not. > > read about it here: http://www.tothecenter.com/news.php?readmore=3220 or > google it. > > OH MY GOD, What is going on in this world????? > > Carol > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Thanks for this, I have done alot of reminiscing about my childhood today and what Christmas time was like for me as a kid, It was a big deal going into Glasgow at that time of the year and seeing the streets and stores decorated and of course meeting Santa, I guess one of the reasons I enjoy Christmas is because so many neighbors get into it and decorate their houses. The general atmosphere is better and even the grumpiest people seem happy. If schools banned the decorations and such, then malls would follow and it wouldn't be the same, the magic would be gone and in a scary world like this is, kids need to hang onto that feeling for as long as they can. Carol .. Serra wrote: > > This caught my eye so I did a little Googling. Turns out the board did > decide to keep the holidays in the schools and to include Ramadan. > Here's the article: > > http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_271104049.html > <http://cbs2chicago.com/local/local_story_271104049.html> > > HTH, > Serra > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Dale, Actually... Christmas is not a religious holiday... Not the way it is pimped out now. Heck it is based on the Yule holiday which is supposed to be on the 23, and if you look at it... It is a celebration. And by the way. The state doesn't say the kids have to have a Christmas thingy do they???... or holiday whatever. Cause the last time I was at school we VOLUNTEERED to do stuff for Christmas.. WE weren't MADE to do anything like that. We participated because we WANTED to. So the schools are taking it on themselves to celebrate themselves... This whole world needs to lighten up a bit. If you're not into it, don't volunteer, or don't let yourself get volunteered into doing anything for it. Jennifer allgroupmail wrote: > > I agree. Seperation of church and state is a good thing. Christmas is > a religous holiday. If folks are only into the holiday for the gift > giving and as a family tradition then keep it that way. Celebrate it > in your home and stores can still market to you for gift giving just > like they do for Halloween, Valentine's Day, etc. > > So, that reminds me....list mama....where's your soaps? > > Dale > The people who make a difference are not the ones with the > credentials, but the ones with the concern. ~ Max Lucado > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 This occurs every pre Xmas season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Exactly. The way it is today it really doesn't come across as a religous holiday but the roots are and we just can't escape the riling up the issue causes all the way around. Heck a lot of people end up arguing with themselves over it! LOL!! I agree...do what YOU want to do. Deep down inside each of us we have our own beliefs, traditions, what have you and they don't need validation from others. If you believe you believe. Banning can't take that away from you either! I can't wait for all the fragrances and foods of the season! I'm in New England so xmas to me is a walk in some knee deep white snow and if I'm lucky a couple of fox prints amongst other winter critters. *smile* Dale -- The people who make a difference are not the ones with the credentials, but the ones with the concern. ~ Max Lucado -------------- Original message ---------------------- Jennifer Janek-Markey <pixieladie > Dale, > > Actually... Christmas is not a religious holiday... Not the way it is > pimped out now. > Heck it is based on the Yule holiday which is supposed to be on the 23, > and if you look at it... It is a celebration. And by the way. The > state doesn't say the kids have to have a Christmas thingy do > they???... or holiday whatever. Cause the last time I was at school we > VOLUNTEERED to do stuff for Christmas.. WE weren't MADE to do anything > like that. We participated because we WANTED to. So the schools are > taking it on themselves to celebrate themselves... This whole world > needs to lighten up a bit. > > If you're not into it, don't volunteer, or don't let yourself get > volunteered into doing anything for it. > > Jennifer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Dear Family: I don't usually get into these types of discussion but " This is our country " and if they don't like it here, they can go back where they came from ! You won't see them changing their rules for us ! Not on your life. I think all true American citizens should get it together and take back our own home and to heck with the rest of them. We founded this country and they can't have it ! I'm done now. Jenn in Oregon, USA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Well now Jenn, I don’t usually get into these types of discussions either. And I am definitely not for banning Christmas, even though I am an atheist. But I have to wonder what you mean by “our country” and “true American citizens”. Americans comprise a vast cross-section of different ethnicities and religions. (And non-religions, such as mine.) That’s what makes this country so amazing. Despite our differences, we (more or less) get along because we are tolerant. True, some of us became American citizens later than others. Heck, very few of our families came over on the Mayflower. But that doesn’t make us any less American. Patty in California, USA, Planet Earth --- jennsbellamiaskin <jennsbellamiaskin wrote: > Dear Family: > I don't usually get into these types of discussion > but " This is our > country " and if they don't like it here, they can go > back where they > came from ! You won't see them changing their rules > for us ! Not on > your life. I think all true American citizens > should get it together > and take back our own home and to heck with the rest > of them. We > founded this country and they can't have it ! I'm > done now. > Jenn in Oregon, USA > > > > ______________________________\ ____ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Autos. http://autos./new_cars.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Just a quick thought, before I go back into hiding. If we evolved from a common ancestor, as I believe we did. Then we all originated from the same country, so the first migrants to the US, or any other countries for that matter, were way earlier than the Mayflower. As for the Christmas part of this. I sometimes wonder if people just stir this kind of crap up for election purposes. It gives them something more trivial than the real things that are at stake in our country and in world to talk about. that way they don't have to face the issues that really need some thinking about. (Not that I claim to have all the answers either.) BUT, no Christmas shouldn't be banned, nor should any other holiday not be allowed. I am not sure they should be sanctioned but the schools, per se, but there is nothing wrong with' holiday' parties at the school, and letting the kids have a few days off to observe their families faith and traditions. *Climbs back off her soap box, and back under her rock.* Theresa On Oct 14, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Patricia West wrote: > Well now Jenn, I don’t usually get into these types of > discussions either. And I am definitely not for > banning Christmas, even though I am an atheist. But I > have to wonder what you mean by “our country” and > “true American citizens”. Americans comprise a vast > cross-section of different ethnicities and religions. > (And non-religions, such as mine.) That’s what makes > this country so amazing. Despite our differences, we > (more or less) get along because we are tolerant. > True, some of us became American citizens later than > others. Heck, very few of our families came over on > the Mayflower. But that doesn’t make us any less > American. > > . > > " Blessed are those who can give without remembering And take without forgetting. " --Author Unknown Theresa Grundman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Hmm, I seldom say anything in these type of discussions, too. Banning Christmas? Can't see why--it's your business alone if you celebrate it or not. Seems to be foolish to ban something that comes down to a personal choice of whether to celebrate a holiday or not. Have to wonder about the " our country " stuff, too. We ought not to forget that a good bit of this country's population consists of 'unwanted immigrants'. This country wasn't 'founded'--it was taken by conquest by the nations that already lived here for millenia. While all of that is history and cannot be undone, it certainly shouldn't be forgotten. It should certainly make us a lot more tolerant. - Patricia West 10/14/2007 2:00:31 PM Re: Re: O/T... Banning Christmas Well now Jenn, I don’t usually get into these types of discussions either. And I am definitely not for banning Christmas, even though I am an atheist. But I have to wonder what you mean by “our country” and “true American citizens”. Americans comprise a vast cross-section of different ethnicities and religions. (And non-religions, such as mine.) That’s what makes this country so amazing. Despite our differences, we (more or less) get along because we are tolerant. True, some of us became American citizens later than others. Heck, very few of our families came over on the Mayflower. But that doesn’t make us any less American. Patty in California, USA, Planet Earth --- jennsbellamiaskin <jennsbellamiaskin wrote: > Dear Family: > I don't usually get into these types of discussion > but " This is our > country " and if they don't like it here, they can go > back where they > came from ! You won't see them changing their rules > for us ! Not on > your life. I think all true American citizens > should get it together > and take back our own home and to heck with the rest > of them. We > founded this country and they can't have it ! I'm > done now. > Jenn in Oregon, USA > > > > ________ Check out the hottest 2008 models today at Autos. http://autos./new_cars.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 Lie to the kids. Tell them there is a Santa Claus, JC , Allah, and all the rest of 'em. They will respect you for it in the morning. Karen > [Original Message] > Theresa Grundman <teerox > > 10/14/2007 2:59:00 PM > Re: Re: O/T... Banning Christmas > > Just a quick thought, before I go back into hiding. If we evolved > from a common ancestor, as I believe we did. Then we all originated > from the same country, so the first migrants to the US, or any other > countries for that matter, were way earlier than the Mayflower. > > As for the Christmas part of this. I sometimes wonder if people just > stir this kind of crap up for election purposes. It gives them > something more trivial than the real things that are at stake in our > country and in world to talk about. that way they don't have to face > the issues that really need some thinking about. (Not that I claim to > have all the answers either.) BUT, no Christmas shouldn't be banned, > nor should any other holiday not be allowed. I am not sure they > should be sanctioned but the schools, per se, but there is nothing > wrong with' holiday' parties at the school, and letting the kids have > a few days off to observe their families faith and traditions. > > *Climbs back off her soap box, and back under her rock.* > > Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2007 Report Share Posted October 14, 2007 I don't think that attacking other peoples beliefs is the answer here. Everyone is free to believe what they want to, educated/ informed, or not. Theresa On Oct 14, 2007, at 3:08 PM, ksellars wrote: > Lie to the kids. Tell them there is a Santa Claus, JC , Allah, and > all the > rest of 'em. > > They will respect you for it in the morning. > > Karen > > > [Original Message] > > Theresa Grundman <teerox > > > > 10/14/2007 2:59:00 PM > > Re: Re: O/T... Banning Christmas > > > > Just a quick thought, before I go back into hiding. If we evolved > > from a common ancestor, as I believe we did. Then we all originated > > from the same country, so the first migrants to the US, or any other > > countries for that matter, were way earlier than the Mayflower. > > > > As for the Christmas part of this. I sometimes wonder if people just > > stir this kind of crap up for election purposes. It gives them > > something more trivial than the real things that are at stake in our > > country and in world to talk about. that way they don't have to face > > the issues that really need some thinking about. (Not that I > claim to > > have all the answers either.) BUT, no Christmas shouldn't be banned, > > nor should any other holiday not be allowed. I am not sure they > > should be sanctioned but the schools, per se, but there is nothing > > wrong with' holiday' parties at the school, and letting the kids > have > > a few days off to observe their families faith and traditions. > > > > *Climbs back off her soap box, and back under her rock.* > > > > Theresa > > " Blessed are those who can give without remembering And take without forgetting. " --Author Unknown Theresa Grundman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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