Nail Lesson of the Day ~Was: I Guess Butch Did Not Change His Mind

[Guest guest]

Howdy Sindy,

 

 

> Butch,

> you know I love ya~ but being a nail tech I have to disagree ya about the

> dr pres rx~ nail fungus is REALLY NASTY, but truthfully, the dr pres med's

> can/usually may cause liver damage and you have to take them for about 6

> months~and they're expensive~!

>

 

Thankee ma'am .. but folks don't gotta love me to disagree with me .. and I

don't gotta agree with folks who love me. ;-) As for the 6 months .. the

Mayo Clinic says medications typically require six to twelve weeks (see the

second link below).

 

Commercial medications are costly but sometimes the fungus can lead to other

more serious problems. True on the liver checks .. I mentioned that for

that medication and cholesterol meds on my original post. Some of the

complications of nail fungus .. according to the Mayo Clinic ..

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nail-fungus/DS00084/DSECTION=6

 

On my latest physical my cholesterol was 302 .. no surprise as this is a

norm for me .. was for my mother too. Dr. gave me a prescription and I've

not filled it .. I'm just watching my diet and I'll get it down to 250 or so

with X-Virgin Olive Oil and other foods .. but it will come back up. I am

not going to take the medications.

 

In my opinion you can treat fungus topically with tea tree and a carrier

> oil for excellent results~ it's just a daily thing~ and most people

> don't/won't remember daily~ it's an extra slow process~ I had a friend that

> had gotten nail fungus from a nail shop and I treated it for almost a year

> with tea tree and lavender e/o's mixed with a little jojoba and almond oils~

> I also gave her a bottle to use at home/school as she thought about it~ I'm

> happy to report it cleared up, but it did take a really long time~ and might

> reoccur~ same as eczema~ treatable and reoccurable~(not a word, lol) but you

> get the idea~ Also, when the dr's prescribe the meds, they don't tell you

> but it's a 50/50 shot that it will heal/cure the fungus~

>

 

The amount of time people would have to continue to use the EO also concerns

me .. frequency is just as important (probably more so) than rate of

dilution .. using EO daily is increasing the risk of sensitization.

Granted, one of the reasons why nail fungus normally occurs on the feet

instead of the hands is because we are likely to have diminished blood

circulation in the toes .. and when that occurs it makes it difficult for

the immune system to notice .. and correct the problem. If the immune

system does not detect the EO then the chances of sensitization are also

reduced. But .. I said that this is but one of the reasons .. might not be

the situation for all folks. Sensitization can occur from overuse of

Lavender and Tea Tree .. there are folks on this list who are sensitized to

these oils. Though I have never ever heard of anyone being sensitized to

Origanum .. I'll not guess that it couldn't happen with frequent use .. the

time you mentioned above is way beyond frequent.

 

Wishing luck to those who had good results .. but too many have come back to

me a year later and said .. It's Back! And I will agree that there is a

possibility that nail fungus can reoccur even with the prescribed

medications ..

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nail-fungus/DS00084/DSECTION=8

 

You are right, trim the nail as much as possible~ file the thickness down

> as much as possible, then treat~ it also doesn't hurt to soak in epsom salts

> before treatment, it thins/lifts the nail so the e/os sink in better~ I put

> Becky's in a dropper bottle and let her apply it under her nails as often as

> she remembered~ and each time I did her nails we applied it~ also, it takes

> 6 weeks for healthy nail to grow from under your skin to the exposed part of

> the nail bed and harden, then another 6 weeks maybe more to grow from there~

>

>

 

Agree that EO is an inexpensive way to TRY to get rid of it. But .. if it

does not work then folks should consider seeing a medical doctor .. and

while they are using the EO for an extended period, they must be prepared

for .. and aware of the symptoms of .. sensitization.

 

yall's nail lesson of the day~lol~ My thoughts are what is a bad toe nail

> compared to possible liver damage~ please be very careful with the dr pres

> med's~they are extremely strong~ check all the side effects~ but I'm the

> type person, I only use a presc if absolutely necessary~ I save them for

> emergencies~

>

 

I hear you .. I've not taken a prescription or OTC med since 1995 .. except

for aspirin and antacids .. and I'll not take the cholesterol meds .. and

though I do believe we should make informed decisions about our own

treatment .. and as I wrote before, I believe that use of an anti-fungal EO

might work sometimes for some people .. but I also believe that in most

cases it will come back and I am also concerned about the amount of time a

person would have to use an EO to notice any improvement.

 

Again .. I'll not recommend ingestion .. AND .. we don't really know what

occurs when an EO hits stomach acid anyway .. though Origanum is used for

stomach problems and Oregano Hydrosol is even sold in the grocery stores in

Turkey .. doctors drink it and recommend it to their patients. I ingest

Origanum .. I've done it often .. but I'll not recommend it to others ..

that is unless they want to add a drop or three to their lentil soup .. it

will improve the flavor and it might even provide some therapeutic value.

;-)

 

I will not make any claims that topical use of Origanum will cure nail

fungus .. it might .. and there is a risk of sensitization when one uses any

EO for a long period of time. If one thinks that frequent use of Lavender

and Tea Tree is safe then they are misinformed .. in fact, there is research

showing that more and more Australians are becoming sensitized .. and there

are studies showing that when Lavender becomes aged .. oxidized .. linalool

hydroperoxide increases and there is even more chance of sensitization.

 

So .. the subject line above is right on the mark .. you gave us a nail

lesson and I have not changed my mind. ;-)

 

> Sindy

>

 

Y'all keep smiling. :-) Butch http://www.AV-AT.com<http://www.av-at.com/>

 

 

 

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> Ingestion of EO ** Was: I guess Butch did not change his mind

>

> Thankee ma'am .. but in fact, it did appear that I had recommended

> ingestion .. I should have been more clear in my explanation. I was

> assuming too much because I was thinking topical EO use vs internal

> use of prescription meds. I believe that topical application of any

> EO .. be it Oregano or Tea Tree .. against nail fungus is a temporary

> cure .. at best. One could probably have good results in the nail

> was completely removed and the oil could be applied to the tissue

> under the nail. Nail fungus can get pretty bad and when that goes

> down the prescribed medications are best .. they work and the cure is

> generally permanent.

>

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I bow to your wisdom, but like I warned, be careful with the dr pres meds. They

are very dangerous, it also states in the article upon furthur reading topical

use of ciclopirox can also be applied for up to 48 weeks~ which is also a good

choice~I'm for anything other than those dr presc meds~In fact, I would try

Chris' therapy first and fore most~it will save hundreds of $$ and prolly work

just as well~

thanks for the info, as always you're very informed~

Sindy

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Nail Lesson of the Day ~Was: I Guess Butch Did Not Change His Mind

 

 

Howdy Sindy,

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

On 16/10/2007, Butch Owen <butchowen wrote:

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> Wishing luck to those who had good results .. but too many have come back to

> me a year later and said .. It's Back! And I will agree that there is a

> possibility that nail fungus can reoccur even with the prescribed

> medications ..

> http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/nail-fungus/DS00084/DSECTION=8

 

Hi all

Whatever you use - EO's or orthodox prescription - this will keep

coming back unless shoes, boots, socks, are treated at the same time,

and for the same period of time as the infection lasts. If you are

infected, your footwear's infected as well so that needs treating too

:-)

Fungi are survival opportunists, the spoors can and do sit just

waiting for a chance to flourish - for as long as they need to. Get

ride of the infection over the spring summer and every-thing's fine.

Until you get out the winter boots you used last year and forgot

about, and Bingo, the fungi is back...

LLx

 

(lost track - the OP was on toe nails - yes? If not, thats going to

read *really* strange..... :-)

[Guest guest]

Liz, very good point and absolutely true as well~ in fact they really almost

need to toss those boots, etc, and bleach showers and tubs as well~ Which is why

it prolly keeps coming back to most people~they don't know to treat everything~

I know my brother gained custody of his girls~ they came over and had hair down

to their butts, thick OMGoodness, and curly like mine~ While washing their hair

I saw lice~ it took me 6 months to get rid of those things completely because I

would send them to their moms to visit and they'd reinfect~! ARGH I finally just

bought her new mattresses and sheets and comforters and told my brother to do

the same~

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Nail Lesson of the Day ~Was: I Guess Butch Did Not Change His Mind

 

 

Hi all

Whatever you use - EO's or orthodox prescription - this will keep

coming back unless shoes, boots, socks, are treated at the same time,

and for the same period of time as the infection lasts. If you are

infected, your footwear's infected as well so that needs treating too